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Secret Fawful · 01/12/2012, 06:31 pm

I want to collect her ashes, eat them, poo them out, then pee on them, then smear that on Batman's face.

Falanca · 01/12/2012, 08:49 pm

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Originally Posted by Rather Dashing

Rachel Dawes is stable.

Rachel Dawes is many things to the Nolan Batman, including:

1. An anchor to sanity;
2. A positive connection to his past;
3. A stable relationship

Batman cannot have these things.

A great observation, although I can forgive -and explain- this one fairly easily. Nolan's movies doesn't show what Batman is (like what Tim Burton tried to do in his movies), they show what Batman ultimately becomes from ground zero, step by step.

In Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, Bruce always mentioned the possibility of Gotham no longer needing Batman, therefore he can have his own life back, therefore a chance of having the girl of his dreams. He needed to learn Gotham always needs -or deserves- a Batman and it always had to be him and he can never have sanity, a past and someone to love. And yet, he learned it at the end of the second movie by Rachel's death. I highly believe that's what's attempted to be explained throughout two movies. Now we have yet to see a Batman who has accepted his limitation of, well, having no life to limit himself, in TDKR.

TL;DR all in all Rachel was only good for a MEANING and a general plot idea, that's what we have been accepting, in order to get past it and bash other aspects of the character we ACTUALLY don't like. Iunno about you, but I believe Rachel's characteristics are intended like so, and she wouldn't serve the purpose as well in if she was different from your description.

Chyron8472 · 01/12/2012, 09:32 pm

For the record, I have not read the Batman comics that much so I didn't know she was supposed to die, and I liked Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes far better than Maggie Gyllenhaal. Seriously, Maggie Gyllenhaal looks too old in The Dark Knight to be the same Rachel from Batman Begins. There are a number of shots in TDK where I could swear she appears to have greying hair, and her facial complexion makes her look older. I know this could be fixed with makeup, but it wasn't.

Also, Maggie Gyllenhaal's voice cracks on occasion during her lines in TDK.

Falanca · 01/12/2012, 09:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

For the record, I have not read the Batman comics that much so I didn't know she was supposed to die, and I liked Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes far better than Maggie Gyllenhaal.

I can tell you haven't, since Rachel Dawes is a movie-exclusive character in Batman franchise.

Chyron8472 · 01/12/2012, 09:52 pm

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Originally Posted by Falanca

I can tell you haven't, since Rachel Dawes is a movie-exclusive character in Batman franchise.

well, I was going off of this:

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Originally Posted by Johro

of all the women that already existed in the DC Universe, they felt the need to just create someone new that everyone knew was going to die just for that reason.

I suppose I misread that and thought Johro meant that the character dies in the comics and so anyone who had read them would have expected it.

Now that I read it again, it makes more sense in the context of a Nolan-created character.

But I still say that I liked the character of Rachel Dawes as portrayed by Katie Holmes, while Maggie Gyllenhaal's appearance and voice (and perhaps a few other reasons) made me dislike her portrayal in TDK.

MusicallyInspired · 01/12/2012, 10:23 pm

Why didn't Katie Holmes reprise the role anyway? I heard everyone liked TDK's actress better.

Johro · 01/12/2012, 10:28 pm

She turned them down actually. She got married to that crazy man with his crazy religion and decided Batman wasn't plausible enough.... but really, yes, she did turn them down.

Chyron8472 · 01/12/2012, 10:28 pm

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Originally Posted by MusicallyInspired

Why didn't Katie Holmes reprise the role anyway? I heard everyone liked TDK's actress better.

I heard that also, but I don't know who these people are because I certainly didn't.

Falanca · 01/13/2012, 09:06 am

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

But I still say that I liked the character of Rachel Dawes as portrayed by Katie Holmes

Yeah, well, overall the character Rachel was done better in Batman Begins. I think her character was less obnoxious and Katie Holmes was much more likable for her acting, beauty, and nipples.

Shadowknight1 · 01/13/2012, 09:45 pm

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Originally Posted by Johro

She turned them down actually. She got married to that crazy man with his crazy religion and decided Batman wasn't plausible enough.... but really, yes, she did turn them down.

Way I heard it, when they got married, he told her no more acting. Not sure how true that is. He is pretty crazy.

MusicallyInspired · 01/14/2012, 04:06 am

She was just in a movie in 2010. How long ago did they get married?

Falanca · 01/14/2012, 11:22 am

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Originally Posted by Shadowknight1

Way I heard it, when they got married, he told her no more acting. Not sure how true that is. He is pretty crazy.

I thought the reason of her absence in TDK was her pregnancy. I mean, she still plays in some TV shows and all that...

*GuruGuru214* · 01/14/2012, 09:07 pm

According to Wikipedia, she turned down The Dark Knight so she could do Mad Money.

Pony Bone · 02/02/2012, 07:02 pm

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Originally Posted by MusicallyInspired

No. Michael Keaton is the only living man (other than a hypothetical actual Bruce Wayne) who can actually truthfully say that he is genuinely Batman. Period.

haha, I agree. He's much more interesting to watch (I think) than any of the other guys that have portrayed him.

Anyone seen the new Hot Toys Michael Keaton Batman figure?

Chyron8472 · 02/03/2012, 04:28 pm

Doug Walker (Nostalgia Critic) said on his Old vs. New video of Batman vs. The Dark Knight that Micheal Keaton is a better Batman than Christian Bale because Keaton's Bruce Wayne doesn't look like he's obviously Batman, while Bale's Bruce Wayne always seems like he's suppressing underlying issues. He says people complained when first learning that Keaton was to play Batman because he doesn't look like he could be Batman, but Doug says that's why he's a good choice.

DrRocketGenius · 02/03/2012, 04:52 pm

Has anyone play Arkham City Lockdown on iOS? Because it's awesome.

Johro · 02/03/2012, 07:02 pm

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Has anyone play Arkham City Lockdown on iOS? Because it's awesome.

I have. I thought it was fantastic for the first couple playthroughs. As long as you don't expect a lot, it's great. Actually fighting the Joker, the actual Joker was worth it to me. Not a whole lot in replay value, but it's not like it's expensive.

Shadowknight1 · 02/03/2012, 09:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

Doug Walker (Nostalgia Critic) said on his Old vs. New video of Batman vs. The Dark Knight that Micheal Keaton is a better Batman than Christian Bale because Keaton's Bruce Wayne doesn't look like he's obviously Batman, while Bale's Bruce Wayne always seems like he's suppressing underlying issues. He says people complained when first learning that Keaton was to play Batman because he doesn't look like he could be Batman, but Doug says that's why he's a good choice.

Really? He doesn't look like Batman? The eyebrows man. THE F-ING EYEBROWS. They practically scream Batman. Keaton looks like he's always frowning. Just like the Bat.

Johro · 02/03/2012, 09:33 pm

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Originally Posted by Shadowknight1

Really? He doesn't look like Batman? The eyebrows man. THE F-ING EYEBROWS. They practically scream Batman. Keaton looks like he's always frowning. Just like the Bat.

Doug was referring to the actors filmography. If you watched Keaton in his early roles, you wouldn't imagine him as Batman. It'd be like casting George Clooney....only... good.

Shadowknight1 · 02/03/2012, 09:35 pm

I dunno. I think after Beetlejuice, one could picture him doing anything.

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01/12/2012, 09:32 pm	#203
Chyron8472 Killer Walrus Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tulsa, OK, USA Posts: 4,075	For the record, I have not read the Batman comics that much so I didn't know she was supposed to die, and I liked Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes far better than Maggie Gyllenhaal. Seriously, Maggie Gyllenhaal looks too old in The Dark Knight to be the same Rachel from Batman Begins. There are a number of shots in TDK where I could swear she appears to have greying hair, and her facial complexion makes her look older. I know this could be fixed with makeup, but it wasn't. Also, Maggie Gyllenhaal's voice cracks on occasion during her lines in TDK.

01/12/2012, 10:28 pm	#207
Johro Person Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Icy Wasteland of Canada Posts: 1,749	She turned them down actually. She got married to that crazy man with his crazy religion and decided Batman wasn't plausible enough.... but really, yes, she did turn them down.

02/03/2012, 04:28 pm	#215
Chyron8472 Killer Walrus Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tulsa, OK, USA Posts: 4,075	Doug Walker (Nostalgia Critic) said on his Old vs. New video of Batman vs. The Dark Knight that Micheal Keaton is a better Batman than Christian Bale because Keaton's Bruce Wayne doesn't look like he's obviously Batman, while Bale's Bruce Wayne always seems like he's suppressing underlying issues. He says people complained when first learning that Keaton was to play Batman because he doesn't look like he could be Batman, but Doug says that's why he's a good choice.

02/03/2012, 04:52 pm	#216
DrRocketGenius The Batman Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,514	Has anyone play Arkham City Lockdown on iOS? Because it's awesome.