The BioWare / EA / Origin thread

[Ribs]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

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stupid people. At least TTG isn't like this.

I'm fairly sure that's part of Telltale's TOS, too. It should be, if it's not, as being rude to anyone should be forbidden.

[Chyron8472]

Originally Posted by Ribs

I'm fairly sure that's part of Telltale's TOS, too. It should be, if it's not, as being rude to anyone should be forbidden.

ah, but BioWare's forum accounts are tied into DLC and game DRM connected to that account. So, getting banned from their forums has more effect than not being able to read or post on it.

Also, many a long-time forumite here has complained about declining quality of TTG's games, including placing blame on certain staff members for it at times. I'd say we get away with rather a lot around here.

[Darth Marsden]

Mostly because we don't just say Telltale is crap. We explain why we don't like it, and how we hope that they'll get better in the future. In short: It's OK to Not Like Things.

[der_ketzer]

Originally Posted by Darth Marsden

It's OK to Not Like Things

Not in the EA / Bioware forums. That's why the Steam forum is full of ME3 complaints in the ME section. People are afraid to voice their true opinion over there.

[Rawr]

Oh, the Bioware forum is still full of complaints. Though perhaps not as colourful....

[Vainamoinen]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

ah, but BioWare's forum accounts are tied into DLC and game DRM connected to that account. So, getting banned from their forums has more effect than not being able to read or post on it.

Right. Mods and admins on this forum can ban, but that won't take away the banned's games. With EA - and their EULA stating that your purchase is not actually a purchase, but that you only rent their games for a time that EA reserves the right to define - things are very different.

Yes, personal attacks on anyone, be it admin, mod or community member, will get you some serious banning time in here. I find it very easy to call a personal insult when I see one; terms like "abuse" (and "flaming"/"hate speech" come to think of it) however, I find very hard to put into a clear-cut definition. If a company takes a whole lot of criticism in their own forums, it's probably very natural to widen the definition and avenge even the lighter forms. That's probably where EA is at right now, hence the need to post that "reminder".

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

Also, many a long-time forumite here has complained about declining quality of TTG's games, including placing blame on certain staff members for it at times. I'd say we get away with rather a lot around here.

And I'd definitely like to encourage criticism on these boards in the future. I would not feel well being a moderator on forums where criticism is forbidden. I hope that ANYTHING can be said about the games in these forums as long as no one is insulted. It's just that certain forms of criticism are more constructive than others.

[der_ketzer]

There is a ne, more satisfying end for Mass Effect 3 now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...tgK5DJJPA&NR=1

[DAISHI]

Originally Posted by Darth Marsden

Mostly because we don't just say Telltale is crap. We explain why we don't like it, and how we hope that they'll get better in the future. In short: It's OK to Not Like Things.

Uhhhh SOME people do this. A lot of people just rant.

[Ribs]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

ah, but BioWare's forum accounts are tied into DLC and game DRM connected to that account. So, getting banned from their forums has more effect than not being able to read or post on it.

Also, many a long-time forumite here has complained about declining quality of TTG's games, including placing blame on certain staff members for it at times. I'd say we get away with rather a lot around here.

So? If they are rude and threatening, I say ban 'em.

[der_ketzer]

I just had a look on the Origin store page for Dragon Age.
And there I saw this:

In Übereinstimmung mit dem deutschen Jugendschutzgesetz steht dieser Titel nur zwischen 23:00 Uhr und 06:00 Uhr zum Kauf zur Verfügung. In der Zeit von 06:00 Uhr bis 23:00 Uhr kannst du dieses Produkt deinem Warenkorb nicht hinzufügen.

Let me translate that as good as I can:

In Accordance to the German "Jugendschutzgesetz" (protection of minors law) this item can only be purchased between 11pm and 6 am. Between 6am and 11pm you cannot place this item in your cart.

WAT?

[Chyron8472]

Originally Posted by Ribs

So? If they are rude and threatening, I say ban 'em.

"Abusive" does not necessarily equal "rude."

I'm rude at times. Should I be banned?

Heck, Rather Dashing can be downright belligerent and he's still around. By rights what you're saying is that he should not only be banned, but also have all of his downloadable TTG Store purchases revoked.

[DAISHI]

Also, I'm quite an ass on occasion. Though I'm usually penitent.

[Ribs]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

"Abusive" does not necessarily equal "rude."

I'm rude at times. Should I be banned?

Heck, Rather Dashing can be downright belligerent and he's still around. By rights what you're saying is that he should not only be banned, but also have all of his downloadable TTG Store purchases revoked.

Amendment: Rude towards an individual or organization on repeated occasions.

And I am not complaining about the portion of the downloads being removed, which I feel should only occur in extreme circumstances. I'm complaining about the fact you think the ability to personally attack people should be maintained without proper punishment. Rather Dashing doesn't personally attack people - he expresses dislike for a product, but hardly attacks. What I've seen of the reaction to ME3 so far, though, goes a bit beyond attacks, and is horrible.

[Chyron8472]

Originally Posted by Ribs

Amendment: Rude towards an individual or organization on repeated occasions. [...]

I'm complaining about the fact you think the ability to personally attack people should be maintained without proper punishment.

read this again:




As has been said by others, "abuse" is a subjective term; also, "zero tolerance" can mean after the first and only infraction, and "without notice" means having never previously been warned by a mod to stop complaining before being banned.

ie. A forum member at BioWare may complain about something of which they are greatly annoyed, and after the first post in which they do so, they can be banned and lose all access to games which they legally paid for.

And have you not read the various posts by RD in his rants about BTTF? I'm pretty sure several of them could be considered as hostility towards the TTG staff. Should he be banned? No. Why? Because TTG is sensible whereas BioWare is apparently not.

[Ribs]

Being hostile towards the staff =/= reporting a bug or problem or having a polite discussion. I don't think all the discussion should consist of is "THAT WAS #!)#ing AWFUL" "GOD I AM GOING TO GO TO BIOWARE AND MURDER THEM ALL MYSELF", which is undoubtedly how they'd grow. Unless you cite specific examples of them banning unfairly under this new jurisdiction, I see no reason to side with you.

[der_ketzer]

Originally Posted by Ribs

Being hostile towards the staff =/= reporting a bug or problem or having a polite discussion.

The problem is YOU define it like that. If a staff member sees this differently you will be banned for nothing and no one will help you because they cannot.

[Chyron8472]

Originally Posted by der_ketzer

The problem is YOU define it like that. If a staff member sees this differently you will be banned for nothing, without warning, and no one will help you because they cannot.

Fixed, and yes this is entirely my point.

[der_ketzer]

Let's back that with an example (EA that time)

http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/...1&postcount=21

the whole thread:

http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/...ad.php?t=26498

my sims 3 game on orgin wont work anymore

[gamer247]

I find it rather amusing how people on the Bioware forms get really attached to the characters in Bioware games to the point you'd think the characters are real people and if something is done what they believe is slightly out of character, the forum posters go completely apeshit.