Mass Effect Thread

[Vainamoinen]

Originally Posted by WARP10CK

A new ipad app released by Gametrailers that shows the development process has apperantly deleted scenes that shows that the ending the originally planned was even more depressing.

A thread jumped from 1 to 50 pages in less than a half-hour forcing the moderator Chris Priestly to shut down the forums.

All hell has broken loose at this point what a mess for Bioware just a total disaster.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/to...dex/9999272/50

You mean, Mass Effect 3 is being slaughtered by the fans?

Sorry, I think I'm threadmerge-stalking you today.

[WARP10CK]

Originally Posted by Vainamoinen

You mean, Mass Effect 3 is being slaughtered by the fans?

Sorry, I think I'm threadmerge-stalking you today.

No prob I have been busy covering this mess almost forgot that I made that thread thx for moving.

[der_ketzer]

[Scnew]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned "The Indoctrination Theory" that's going around.

The theory is, basically, that the conversations occurring within the Citadel are not really happening with Anderson and the Illusive Man, but within Shepard's own mind as he tries to resist indoctrination. Here's a link that explains the idea far better than I can: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbghjn7_Byc

There's a lot going for this theory, and it's probably just people grasping at straws to make something meaningful out of the ending. Although I do agree that there are a lot of things that don't make sense: After the Reaper's laser takes you out, the radio chatter makes it pretty clear that the whole force was wiped out, whoever was observing it didn't notice both Shepard and Anderson getting up and heading into the beam? Not to mention the Reaper that was there--getting onto the Citadel is the galaxy's only hope of stopping the Reapers, why would it just kill the one attack force and then stop watching? And then there's your team: Tali and Garrus were in London with me, why did the ending show them aboard the Normandy? And why was the Normandy fleeing through a relay anyway? Joker wouldn't just abandon the final climactic battle that was going to determine whether or not life continued.

There's definitely either something more going on here. Unfortunately it's probably going to be revealed via a $9.99 DLC.

[GaryCXJk]

I've seen that explanation, but that just means they made a good ending worse.

I don't need to remind you why Prince of Persia's ending (the one with the DLC ending) wasn't really well received.

[der_ketzer]

here is someone who thinks you are all stupid pricks for not likiong what you got with ME3. Someone with a free review-copy of course.
http://uk.ign.com/videos/2012/03/12/...-opinion-video

This is clearly a douchebag pulling our strings so they can make more money from ads because people will share this (like I just did).

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And here is what AngryJoe thought about the ending.

Warning! Massive spoilers. There are all 9 endings in this video. Playing at the same time so you can see how extremely different they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=6M0Cf864P7E

[Vainamoinen]

I've heard that one before. The stance is exactly EA's: Eat our entire shit or don't buy it. If IGN wanted to insult its audience, well, good work.

While I wouldn't exactly disagree with all of the points the man makes, his pompous attitude, utter self-righteousness and derogatory manner towards those who chose to protest are telltale signs that his two cents are best ignored altogether. In fact, Moriarty acts so incredibly affected, complete with actual rapper gestures, that I cannot but interpret his show as pure satire.

The man went online, did a little youtube search and pasted an enraged fat man into his video - one who, needless to say, did not present his point of view in the most convincing manner. Meaning "this is you if you don't like the ending". Strawman argument accusation aside, that's just plain bad form.

Colin argues that games are cheaper today than yesterday. I disagree, but I would say they're roughly the same price. Then again, I only know the prices from my own country; and I feel that the freedom EA has taken from me with their DRM would well justify a far, far lower price. In fact, EA should have bought the right to invade my privacy like that at a far higher price than those 50€ I spent on this game and its unused DLC.

Colin Moriarty argues that the customer doesn't have the right to demand another ending. He is right. The customers can voice their disappointment and tell Bioware that they completely dropped the ball. They can even argue that the ending retrospectively ruins the entire series for them. They can ask for another ending in hope that the game will be remedied for them.

But nothing will make these things better, least of all a new ending. Bioware hasn't built up their story towards an ending that matters. As the build-up is missing, how could another ending be more satisfying? The ME3 fans got three random heads to a completely irrelevant body, now the option of a fourth should make things right? Giving in to their fans here would unfortunately be a very stupid idea for Bioware.

I'll put it even more bluntly and hope I won't incite anyone with it: Bioware has proven limited narrative vision with the ME3 endings; add a fourth lame ending and the limited vision might be Bioware's epitaph.

/edit: After watching that last AngryJoeShow video, well, I revised one thought up there. Fans were promised a lot of things that Bioware obviously never had the intent to deliver - and that stuff fans CAN demand. It won't happen, though, for the above-mentioned reasons. But the AngryJoeShow can definitely pride itself with presenting arguments in a calm and convincing manner here. I particularly agree with point #9 (14:09 in the video). Job well done.

[WARP10CK]

Originally Posted by Vainamoinen

I've heard that one before. The stance is exactly EA's: Eat our entire shit or don't buy it. If IGN wanted to insult its audience, well, good work.

While I wouldn't exactly disagree with all of the points the man makes, his pompous attitude, utter self-righteousness and derogatory manner towards those who chose to protest are telltale signs that his two cents are best ignored altogether. In fact, Moriarty acts so incredibly affected, complete with actual rapper gestures, that I cannot but interpret his show as pure satire.

The man went online, did a little youtube search and pasted an enraged fat man into his video - one who, needless to say, did not present his point of view in the most convincing manner. Meaning "this is you if you don't like the ending". Strawman argument accusation aside, that's just plain bad form.

Colin argues that games are cheaper today than yesterday. I disagree, but I would say they're roughly the same price. Then again, I only know the prices from my own country; and I feel that the freedom EA has taken from me with their DRM would well justify a far, far lower price. In fact, EA should have bought the right to invade my privacy like that at a far higher price than those 50€ I spent on this game and its unused DLC.

Colin Moriarty argues that the customer doesn't have the right to demand another ending. He is right. The customers can voice their disappointment and tell Bioware that they completely dropped the ball. They can even argue that the ending retrospectively ruins the entire series for them. They can ask for another ending in hope that the game will be remedied for them.

But nothing will make these things better, least of all a new ending. Bioware hasn't built up their story towards an ending that matters. As the build-up is missing, how could another ending be more satisfying? The ME3 fans got three random heads to a completely irrelevant body, now the option of a fourth should make things right? Giving in to their fans here would unfortunately be a very stupid idea for Bioware.

I'll put it even more bluntly and hope I won't incite anyone with it: Bioware has proven limited narrative vision with the ME3 endings; add a fourth lame ending and the limited vision might be Bioware's epitaph.

/edit: After watching that last AngryJoeShow video, well, I revised one thought up there. Fans were promised a lot of things that Bioware obviously never had the intent to deliver - and that stuff fans CAN demand. It won't happen, though, for the above-mentioned reasons. But the AngryJoeShow can definitely pride itself with presenting arguments in a calm and convincing manner here. I particularly agree with point #9 (14:09 in the video). Job well done.

The angry joe video surprised me alot I would have expected him to go nuts on the endings but instead he presented his argument in a calm reflected manner. And I totally agree with him.

[Darth Marsden]

Originally Posted by WARP10CK

The angry joe video surprised me alot I would have expected him to go nuts on the endings but instead he presented his argument in a calm reflected manner. And I totally agree with him.

His actual review of ME3 was more scathing towards the endings. I suspect he knew that this particular video was something that would get a lot of attention, and in situations like this it's always better to be calm and rational when presenting your arguments.

[SHODANFreeman]

Originally Posted by Rather Dashing

In all three, Shepard sacrifices his/her life for the good of the galaxy, and I have no idea what could be more of a nice guy action than that.

Actually, in the renegade/red/shoot the thing option, a short teaser-style scene is shown where Shepard draws a breath from underneath some rubble. So, not necessarily dead.

[WARP10CK]

I just got banned from the bioware forums I asked one of the mods after he had closed several threads this : U MAD ?

And all of a sudden 24 hour ban LOL

[Farlander]

I don't visit BioWare forums (but I've seen what's going on there), but I can actually understand the mods. They need to keep things as civil as possible with all this shitstorm that's brewing all over the internet about ME3 ending, and they're angry enough already. It's not wise to troll an angry mod who doesn't need a freakin' troll while he's doing his job

[WARP10CK]

Originally Posted by Farlander

I don't visit BioWare forums (but I've seen what's going on there), but I can actually understand the mods. They need to keep things as civil as possible with all this shitstorm that's brewing all over the internet about ME3 ending, and they're angry enough already. It's not wise to troll an angry mod who doesn't need a freakin' troll while he's doing his job

I know and I did apologize but nonetheless 24 hours.

U MAD ? LOL

[tobar]

Originally Posted by Farlander

I don't visit BioWare forums (but I've seen what's going on there), but I can actually understand the mods. They need to keep things as civil as possible with all this shitstorm that's brewing all over the internet about ME3 ending, and they're angry enough already. It's not wise to troll an angry mod who doesn't need a freakin' troll while he's doing his job

Except everyone over at the Bioware forums have made a real effort to behave themselves while voicing their extreme dislike of the ending. At least that's the attitude that's pervaded the main Retake Mass Effect thread. I haven't really peaked my head out at what's going on in their other forums/threads.

[DAISHI]

I just figured out why I don't care more!

It's a video game.

The demands for a new ending are dumb. It won't change anything. You might as well write a fanfic ending; in fact that would probably be more fulfilling.

[tobar]

Originally Posted by DAISHI

I just figured out why I don't care more!

It's a video game.

It's three video games. In a story that has been spread out over half a decade of real time. With some investing hundreds of hours playing and replaying them getting invested in the stories and characters within. That ending throws all of that out the window and provides zero closure for your character, their relationships and the galaxy at large. All of the choices players have made amount to nothing in the end leaving the entire experience feeling hollow where it could have been immensely fulfilling seeing the effects your choices made on the outcome. Instead it has left many with no desire to ever revisit a world they once found great joy in.

[DAISHI]

It was worth being upset about for a few days at best. In my opinion. There's a lot to be angry at in this world. To let a bad ending to a game series be it, for this long, is burning energy.

[tobar]

The game was barely released a couple weeks ago. This is a fresh wound and more people are finishing the game and taking up the cause every day.

[DAISHI]

Maybe. But this whole Internet movement, let's demand a new ending thing? Better directed at something that will actually impact lives. If all gamers got upset about Jon inequality, we'd have a better tomorrow.

[tobar]

It has impacted lives. They've raised almost $70,000 dollars for the charity Child's Play.