***** was still alive!!!!!!! /SPOILERS

[jaybreezy]

Originally Posted by RoboSheriff

larry was alive and wasn't a zombie, because his skin wasn't greyish like when the teacher/student died in the truck.


i didn't knew what to say when i tried to give CPR to the guy and i just saw a salt lick falling on my left lol.

Huge difference between Larry and the teacher/student.

Teacher - leg chopped off, Student - Shot

Both of those guys bled out, which I'm assuming was the cause of the greyish color.

Larry wasn't "dead" long enough for his skin to change colors.

Also. To me it doesn't really matter if he was dead or not. You can't take the chance and be locked in a freezer with Zombified Larry.

[jaybreezy]

Originally Posted by GlockPants

I guess since TTG confirmed that Larry was alive (I didn't see the confirmation, but I guess others did) he wasn't quite dead yet. Kenny jumped the gun, it would've been the right call if you knew you couldn't revive him, but even if you have a heart attack you don't just die. If that were the case, no one would ever need to get the paddles because you just declare him dead on the spot.

I don't think I'm going hold it over Kenny, but he does need to relax. The tension he is causing is bad for the group.

I don't think they confirmed that he was alive. Just that there was movement before Kenny kills him.

Like someone else said, the movement could have been Larry coming back as a walker.

[GlockPants]

Originally Posted by jaybreezy

I don't think they confirmed that he was alive. Just that there was movement before Kenny kills him.

Like someone else said, the movement could have been Larry coming back as a walker.

Well, ok. But when the person in the truck bed changes, the physical change is very obvious. Larry looked like he wasn't a zombie. I don't think there is any evidence that could change my mind that Larry wasn't a zombie at the time of his skull crushing. I welcome anyone's input, but I just don't see how he was a zombie.

[marcu5]

Originally Posted by jaybreezy

Huge difference between Larry and the teacher/student.

Teacher - leg chopped off, Student - Shot

Both of those guys bled out, which I'm assuming was the cause of the greyish color.

Larry wasn't "dead" long enough for his skin to change colors.

Also. To me it doesn't really matter if he was dead or not. You can't take the chance and be locked in a freezer with Zombified Larry.

what are you basing this on? the cop in episode 1 didn't bleed out and he turned pale.

[jaybreezy]

Originally Posted by GlockPants

Well, ok. But when the person in the truck bed changes, the physical change is very obvious. Larry looked like he wasn't a zombie. I don't think there is any evidence that could change my mind that Larry wasn't a zombie at the time of his skull crushing. I welcome anyone's input, but I just don't see how he was a zombie.

I gave my opinion on this above.

The walker in the truck bed died from bleeding out, which in my opinion is the reason for the change in skin color.

I think it would take Larry longer to show this affect because he died of a more natural cause that didn't involve his body losing a HUGE amount of blood like losing a leg or getting shot.

[jaybreezy]

Originally Posted by marcu5

what are you basing this on? the cop in episode 1 didn't bleed out and he turned pale.

But how long was he laying there? He also didn't die of natural causes. Larry was more immediate.

[GlockPants]

Originally Posted by jaybreezy

But how long was he laying there? He also didn't die of natural causes. Larry was more immediate.

Just because you are clinically dead doesn't mean you can't be revived though. Larry couldn't have been clincally dead for more than a minute, well within a timeframe of recovery.

[jaybreezy]

Originally Posted by GlockPants

Just because you are clinically dead doesn't mean you can't be revived though. Larry couldn't have been clincally dead for more than a minute, well within a timeframe of recovery.

True.. But he could have also been dead long enough to turn. I think it's up to "you" as an individual to decide how you want to see it.

I see it as.. He was dead and was coming back as a walker.

You see it as.. He was alive and trying to gasp for air.

And maybe neither of us is wrong because TT left it up in the air for the audience to come to their own conclusions.

[GlockPants]

Originally Posted by jaybreezy

True.. But he could have also been dead long enough to turn. I think it's up to "you" as an individual to decide how you want to see it.

I see it as.. He was dead and was coming back as a walker.

You see it as.. He was alive and trying to gasp for air.

And maybe neither of us is wrong because TT left it up in the air for the audience to come to their own conclusions.

Fair enough.

But now I'm curious how long it takes to turn. In the TV show I know they showed what was going on as far as brain activity goes when the group was at the CDC. For that it seemed like you turned after brain death. I don't know what it is like in the comic though.

[GlockPants]

From The Walking Dead wiki page

According to CDC's Edwin Jenner in the TV series, a corpse can reanimate between three minutes and eight hours after death. It was also once hinted by executive producer Glen Mazzara that the time it takes for a corpse to reanimate depends on how full of life the person was before they died.

Larry was pretty full of life before he had his heart attack lol.

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by jaybreezy

I don't think they confirmed that he was alive. Just that there was movement before Kenny kills him.

Like someone else said, the movement could have been Larry coming back as a walker.

This. I have taken four CPR and first Aid classes (and am about to take my fifth), and there are two things we need to know when trying to save someone in distress (it may be more complicated if you are an actual paramedic, but this is what I have been taught):

1. Taking a momentary gasp does not necessarily mean that resuscitation was successful. The CPR process ends when the patient has a normal breathing pattern reestablished. So in Larry's situation, we would have stopped CPR, monitored him for a very short period, and resumed if he needed it.

2. In heart attack situations, the first 24 hours after the heart attack are crucial in keeping the patient alive. They are at the highest risk for a second heart attack (and that one can be fatal), and they need to rest and be monitored by a medical professional. Well, the only professional we have is being held captive by the crazy people we need to escape from. There's no guarantee that, even if you save his life now, that Larry won't just die in the day or so.

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by GlockPants

From The Walking Dead wiki page



Larry was pretty full of life before he had his heart attack lol.

I think we have to consider what we know from the game, though.

I'm not sure when the teacher died in my game, but it certainly less than a minute from the time Katjaa called me over to the time that the Walker grabbed her. Lily was performing CPR on Larry, but for all we knew he was already dead, and the countdown had begun. So how long should we delay before we pass the point of no return?

[Jazzy]

Originally Posted by GlockPants

Well, ok. But when the person in the truck bed changes, the physical change is very obvious. Larry looked like he wasn't a zombie. I don't think there is any evidence that could change my mind that Larry wasn't a zombie at the time of his skull crushing. I welcome anyone's input, but I just don't see how he was a zombie.

The guy in the truck was left alone for a while, so we don't know at what point the appearance changes since he was already up and moving by the time we find out he has changed, only that it happens quick and that when they are fully mobile they look like that. I reckon the zombies breath or can breath as they make growling noises after all, and so Larry breathing could have been the first stage of zombification, perhaps followed by the change of appearance after his internals have undergone a change. Does either the comics or TV series ever show someone converting from living to death to undeath in full and is it consistent or whatever the hell they feel like at the time? Either way, it was deliberately left ambiguous so we're not really meant to know.

[CapnJay]

when you quote the wiki page you must remember it isn't kirkman or the devs writing it

[PuhChewyChomp]

He's dead now so it doesn't matter.

[reno2200]

It matters. It was either murder or self-defence. Kenny was a... doodie head for doing what he did. All these people talking about a defibrillator restarting a heart have watched too much TV. I'm 90% sure that in real life, it's used for irregular heart beats, not non-existant ones.

On a side note, if you swear in front of Clem in Ep 1, does she then swear in Ep 2?

[CapnJay]

yes she does and it's hilarious

[surculus vestri]

Originally Posted by Sisterofshane

If he had a severe enough heart attack that he was no longer breathing, we can assume he has no pulse. Otherwise, the chest compressions from CPR would have been useless.

If the only thing that was wrong with him was that his heart beat was arrhythmic, then he would have eventually died anyway, because we didn't have a defribillator.

Really??? So if one has no breathing, they therefore have no pulse??? I hope no one has a heart attack by you because you'll end up doing CPR on a person with a beating heart!

Better re-take that CPR course cause you're supposed to check the ABC's: Airway, Breathing, Circulation. You most certainly can have a pulse but not have breathing.

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by surculus vestri

Really??? So if one has no breathing, they therefore have no pulse??? I hope no one has a heart attack by you because you'll end up doing CPR on a person with a beating heart!

Better re-take that CPR course cause you're supposed to check the ABC's: Airway, Breathing, Circulation. You most certainly can have a pulse but not have breathing.

Maybe I should have phrased it better, but the point was that the Chest compressions were useless if the man HAS a pulse. No one gives Larry mouth to mouth, which would have been the correct situation had Larry had a pulse but was not breathing. I'm assuming that Lily started chest compressions because he had no pulse.

Besides, I believe I qualifying word in my statement was that if someone had a HEART ATTACK that severe... There are other situations in which a person may need CPR that doesn't necessarily start with CARDIAC ARREST. It's not unreasonable to assume that Larry has no pulse.

[ronCYA]

For those saying that CPR could not have brought him back, particularly because he wasn't breathing for a few seconds... that is false.

Only several months ago a person close to me came under a cardiac arrest. She was unconscious, wasn't breathing and her eyes were glazed over. The only thing I could do were chest compressions and it was fortunate that I did because it brought her back and she resumed breathing and consciousness. I'm no doctor, but speaking from first hand experience I can only recommend that you do the same if you see someone under an attack like that.

My point is, Lee doing heart compressions could may as well have brought him back- Larry's death was hardly definite enough for Kenny to kill him.

I also advise you all that if you see someone fall unconscious and stop breathing- please don't just assume they're already dead. Some of the responses I'm seeing here are really disturbing...