F*** Kenny

[RustyBulleQ]

Yeah, reasoning with Kenny is awful.
Maybe he's a good friend and all, but all he thinks about is HIMSELF!
Larry could still be alive, but this F*** killed the poor old guy.
Must admit I didnt like Larry at first, but hey, he's just protecting his doughter!
Kenny maybe thought it was a smar moved to kill him, but I assume that will lead into Lilly leaving the group.

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by mooneysuzuki

Well everyone's favorite Lilly was against even going out to save Lee and everyone, she yelled at Carley and Glenn for going out and helping. And hey if my son almost died in front of me, I'd hold him too

Don't even bother. Besides the obvious Schroedinger's issue that CapnJay mentioned (some of us never have to go through the emotional trauma of being "betrayed" by Kenny, because we sided with him), this is a group full of people who are willing to give Lily and Larry (the guy that TRIED to get you killed back in episode one) a second chance, but not give one to Kenny, even going so far as to retroactively judge him based on his one brash decision.

Everyone wants to see black and white in a world that is grey, because it suits their need for vengeance.

[Kinky John Fowler]

Originally Posted by Sisterofshane

Don't even bother. Besides the obvious Schroedinger's issue that CapnJay mentioned (some of us never have to go through the emotional trauma of being "betrayed" by Kenny, because we sided with him), this is a group full of people who are willing to give Lily and Larry (the guy that TRIED to get you killed back in episode one) a second chance, but not give one to Kenny, even going so far as to retroactively judge him based on his one brash decision.

Everyone wants to see black and white in a world that is grey, because it suits their need for vengeance.

I don't think anyone is giving Larry a second chance? They just don't think he deserved to die, or that his daughter deserved to watch her only remaining relative crushed with a massive block.

You cannot put Lily in the same boat as him either, she hasn't tried to kill anyone and has also never backed away from helping other members of the group, even if they hate her.

She's seems difficult person to deal with but her heart is in the right place, Kenny just wants things his way otherwise he throws his toys out of the pram.

[deadk1ng]

^^^ true enough

[mooneysuzuki]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

P.S Mooneysuzuki, so you are telling me that if a group of strangers attract every (un)living zombie around to the building you are hiding at and somebody from your group goes out shooting a gun attracting even more zombies, you will be okay with that? You will be willing to accept some complete strangers, one of whom is covered is mud and is probably bitten. And those people are not only strangers, but they are even ready to pick a fight with your group. You are okay with that?

Hey man, I live in Manhattan so chances are if there are zombies walking around, I would be one of the walkers outside so i wouldn't have to make those decisions hahah. My point is as Lee, I would be pretty pissed off at Lilly in that situation for wanting to leave me for dead.

I understand where you guys are coming from on Lilly's side, but she rubbed me the wrong way at the drug store[SPOILERS]( plus what she does at the prison in the comics) so I've decided to put all my money in with Kenny. That's the good part about this game though, let's you choose.

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by Kinky John Fowler

I don't think anyone is giving Larry a second chance? They just don't think he deserved to die, or that his daughter deserved to watch her only remaining relative crushed with a massive block.

You cannot put Lily in the same boat as him either, she hasn't tried to kill anyone and has also never backed away from helping other members of the group, even if they hate her.

She's seems difficult person to deal with but her heart is in the right place, Kenny just wants things his way otherwise he throws his toys out of the pram.

YOU might not have, but I have seen plenty of people around the forums justify his behavior in the drug store as just trying to "save his daughter" - an opinion with which I wholeheartedly concur. I call that giving the guy a second chance.

Also Lily CAN be lumped in the same boat, because she initially refuses to save your group from the Walkers in front of the Drug Store. However, she was doing so because she was afraid that you would attract the Walkers and get EVERYONE killed. She deserves another chance.

I also remember a lot of people on here (not accusing anyone specifically, but pointing out it was a popular opinion on the forums), that after episode one, were just waiting for the chance to kill Larry. I was not one of those people. I was mad at him, and would no longer trust him with my life or safety, but I wasn't actively seeking to kill him.

I see Kenny as the same type of person that you see Lily - morally grey. In fact, a major theme of The Walking Dead is that many characters will do some pretty messed up things in the name of "survival". Do you have a right to be mad at Kenny? Yes you do. But I don't agree with the people on here saying things like "Murder Kenny and his whole family RAWR!" anymore than the people who were saying the same things about Lily and Larry at the end of episode one.

[DBudgell1]

I just wish there were other possible solutions to that event. Like since there were so many salt licks in the locker, they could be used to pin Larry's body to the floor during the compressions instead of smashing his head off. 300 pound gorilla or not, I doubt he could get up very fast with a few hundred pounds of those pinning his legs and arms.

But I guess such an elaborate solution doesn't suit the panic mentality of the game's events. *sigh*Didn't like the guy, but didn't want to have his head splattered like a balloon in front of me.

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by DBudgell1

I just wish there were other possible solutions to that event. Like since there were so many salt licks in the locker, they could be used to pin Larry's body to the floor during the compressions instead of smashing his head off. 300 pound gorilla or not, I doubt he could get up very fast with a few hundred pounds of those pinning his legs and arms.

But I guess such an elaborate solution doesn't suit the panic mentality of the game's events. *sigh*Didn't like the guy, but didn't want to have his head splattered like a balloon in front of me.

The problem I have with people saying to restrain him first is that CPR is only useful if it's actually being done. In fact, any delay or pause in CPR dramatically tanks it's effectiveness. Let's face it, if you take the time to put salt blocks on his limbs, the guy is gonna die anyway and your "planning" meant nothing.

[YamiRaziel]

Well, Kenny was useless in that scene so he could've done it.

[deadk1ng]

ask yourself this...if the group had to split right now and the two sides were kenny, duck, katja,ben or lilly, carley/doug...who would you rather take clem with?

one side is virtually useless and the other has been the backbone of survival...

[YamiRaziel]

I don't think Ben would go with Kenny. He has spent most time with Carley/Doug and Lee was the one to take up the leader spot in the teacher event so I'm pretty sure he will choose Carley/Doug, Lee and Lilly.
That makes you wonder... would there be anyone to follow Kenny and his family? Besides ,Sisterofshane, I mean :P

[DBudgell1]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Well, Kenny was useless in that scene so he could've done it.

That's pretty much what I would have liked to have happened. Too bad it didn't.

[Gman5852]

Originally Posted by DBudgell1

I just wish there were other possible solutions to that event. Like since there were so many salt licks in the locker, they could be used to pin Larry's body to the floor during the compressions instead of smashing his head off. 300 pound gorilla or not, I doubt he could get up very fast with a few hundred pounds of those pinning his legs and arms.

But I guess such an elaborate solution doesn't suit the panic mentality of the game's events. *sigh*Didn't like the guy, but didn't want to have his head splattered like a balloon in front of me.

So you are telling me you expected a group of people who just witnessed a guy get his legs cut off and then fed back to them, who just got kidnapped, and are worrying for the sake of the rest of the group, and the risk of an incredibly strong zombie about to rise to think of that complex a plan?

[mooneysuzuki]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

I don't think Ben would go with Kenny. He has spent most time with Carley/Doug and Lee was the one to take up the leader spot in the teacher event so I'm pretty sure he will choose Carley/Doug, Lee and Lilly.
That makes you wonder... would there be anyone to follow Kenny and his family? Besides ,Sisterofshane, I mean :P

I would in a heartbeat haha. Kenny's my bro for life

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by DBudgell1

I just wish there were other possible solutions to that event. Like since there were so many salt licks in the locker, they could be used to pin Larry's body to the floor during the compressions instead of smashing his head off. 300 pound gorilla or not, I doubt he could get up very fast with a few hundred pounds of those pinning his legs and arms.

But I guess such an elaborate solution doesn't suit the panic mentality of the game's events. *sigh*Didn't like the guy, but didn't want to have his head splattered like a balloon in front of me.

You don't even to be that elaborate: You can see that atleast Lily was wearing a belt that could've been used as a restraint in the event Larry did reanimate, and given she has Lee take over for her in doing chest compressions, her hands were free to make that contingency work.

[deadk1ng]

Originally Posted by mooneysuzuki

I would in a heartbeat haha. Kenny's my bro for life

well as long as you obey his every desire and totally succumb to his will then you are probally right and he will be your bro for life...

but if you ever dare question him or, God forbid, he ever has a reason to think that you might be about to turn then

BAM

...head soup time

[Kinky John Fowler]

Originally Posted by Sisterofshane

YOU might not have, but I have seen plenty of people around the forums justify his behavior in the drug store as just trying to "save his daughter" - an opinion with which I wholeheartedly concur. I call that giving the guy a second chance.

Also Lily CAN be lumped in the same boat, because she initially refuses to save your group from the Walkers in front of the Drug Store. However, she was doing so because she was afraid that you would attract the Walkers and get EVERYONE killed. She deserves another chance.

I also remember a lot of people on here (not accusing anyone specifically, but pointing out it was a popular opinion on the forums), that after episode one, were just waiting for the chance to kill Larry. I was not one of those people. I was mad at him, and would no longer trust him with my life or safety, but I wasn't actively seeking to kill him.

I see Kenny as the same type of person that you see Lily - morally grey. In fact, a major theme of The Walking Dead is that many characters will do some pretty messed up things in the name of "survival". Do you have a right to be mad at Kenny? Yes you do. But I don't agree with the people on here saying things like "Murder Kenny and his whole family RAWR!" anymore than the people who were saying the same things about Lily and Larry at the end of episode one.

At the time outside of the pharmacy you were just a stranger to Lily so I cannot really blame her for not wanting to help, she has no idea if you are a danger or not (look at how the whole group, including Lee, react to the St Johns outside of their camp, and even the kids trapped in the beartrap initially). Anyway she's certainly not the warmest person at first but she came round to me, we just met in a bad situation. On the other hand you meet Kenny in a quaint farmhouse when everything is hunky dory, had it been in a more volotile setting I think he's shown enough in the the first 2 episodes to suggest he wouldn't have stuck his neck on the line to help, just like Lily.

Don't get me wrong I understand his viewpoint, he's lucky enough to still have his wife and child and they are his main priority, every decision he makes will have their interests at heart which is fair enough, however this means that in this group of strangers he's alienated in a way (it was the same with Larry who is apparently a dick, but at the end of the day was similarly only looking out for his daughter).

Lee has Clem to look after but he also clearly understands that the rest of the group need him too and will go out of his way to protect them and help them out with their troubles, he even has time for Larry (if you play it that way).

I see both Kenny and Lily as pretty similar tbh, Lily has shown to me though that she cares about the group and she's also shown to have her reasons for her aggressive personality, I also cannot remember her at any time letting any of the core group down. Kenny seems to disregard the safety and welfare of everyone else for for his family, I just think there has to be a balance, you have to keep your family safe but you also have to have some faith in the group, I don't think Kenny does.

[CapnJay]

I think that in a future episode if you tell clementine killing is right then she will have to kill someone if you try to keep her innocent then duck will.

[mooneysuzuki]

Originally Posted by deadk1ng

well as long as you obey his every desire and totally succumb to his will then you are probally right and he will be your bro for life...

but if you ever dare question him or, God forbid, he ever has a reason to think that you might be about to turn then

BAM

...head soup time

seems like you could be one of those people that kenny drove by hahaha

[miojox]

I will let kenny die / kill him at the first opportunity that shows up.
Reasons have already been posted by other players.