[Ep1-3, SPOILERS]Team Lilly vs. Team Kenny (merged threads)

[Zeekay980]

All of Kenny's decisions are about taking risks. A lot of them unnecessary or not that thought out. "We break the lock and see what they're hiding. If those farmers give us trouble we take em' out" or something like that. Let's not forget rushing to rescue his family without even grabbing a weapon or looking for the other brother. Some are sensible risks like we have to leave our safe haven otherwise we starve. Lilly is all about playing it safe. She doesn't want any new people because they are unknowns and extra mouths to feed. She doesn't want to risk leaving a place they know is safe to try to find someplace with more food that might not exist. When given enough suspicions about the farm, she suggests just leaving without snooping around or getting dinner. She also doesn't want to loot the car because it might not be abandoned and she doesn't want to risk fucking up somebody's life. The only time they are reversed is with Larry for obvious reasons. Just my two cents.

[CapnJay]

Interesting Theory. I can't wait to see more characterization in Episode three

[jangjangchang]

From these 2 episodes I see Kenny gets shit done and jumps to action.

If Carley and Glenn didn't save Lee and Kenny's group and let them into the drugstore Lilly would of probably died in there due to starvation.

When Kenny got in there he made shit happen and started handing out commands instead of sitting there like Lilly wanted to.

[CapnJay]

i think thats more an arguement to why lilys better off without larry holding her down

[Zeekay980]

I almost forgot that if you save Doug, you get alerted to the St. John's before they get to the motel. Lilly wants to stay quiet and let them pass, while Kenny wants to confront them. I'm not saying ones better than the other. You need to have a balance of knowing when to take a risk and when to play it safe. If you do only one you either don't get anything done, or you do something stupid and get yourself killed. Kenny, when he feels threatened, isn't going to find the best way to take a risk. Lilly will find something that works and sticks to it, even if it means starving.

[CapnJay]

Lee needs to be in charge

[Merc]

I prefer Kenny's approach. In a situation like that, you need to go big or go home. I'd prefer the risks of the roads over sitting with a thumb up your ass in a motel as the people you've grown to love start going hungry. At least with Kenny, you're out trying to do something.

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by CapnJay

i think thats more an arguement to why lilys better off without larry holding her down

I see Lilly's character being mostly the same, though, even without Larry around. It's clear that most of her decisions she comes up with on her own - it's just apart of her personality. The abandoned car is the perfect example of what Zeekay980 has pointed out - Lilly doesn't like to take risks, even if it is possibly detrimental to the group. I think we are possibly going to see her character harden a bit, now that Larry is dead - with her opening up emotionally to Lee (if you tried to help her save Larry) or becoming mroe antagonistic (if you help Kenny in the meatlocker). One thing's for sure - she is definitely going to see that taking a risk by going to the farm ultimately ended up bad.

It's clear though that Lee needs to step up and take over, because something bad is going to happen if they are ALWAYS taking risks, or if they NEVER take a risk. Clearly we need someone who can take a middle route.

[CapnJay]

[NessaT]

Originally Posted by CapnJay

Lee needs to be in charge

YES PLEASE! Which is one of the reasons why I made Lee say "he was in charge" and raided the abandoned car to feed the group.

He needs to be seen as being able to do shit and not just take orders from Kenny.

[reno2200]

I don't mind having Lilly in charge. If you side with her, she really softens up towards you. First and foremost, my Lee is a solid role model to Clem. Lilly puts the group first, whereas Kenny acts on what he thinks is best. It's not about taking risks, it's about taking unnecessary risks. Did checking the barn REALLY achieve anything? Couldn't Kenny have waited a little longer in the meat locker? Why not MAKE A PLAN before running off unarmed after these gun-wielding maniacs who clearly have no qualms with killing the non-undead? Lilly keeps everyone going, Kenny makes a mess, my Lee picks up the pieces.

I think there will be a divide between Team Lilly and Team Kenny (in-game and on these forums, no doubt) and, unless Carley gives me a convincing argument to the contrary, I'm thinking Lilly is the one I should stick with. I think she's going to be ridiculously loyal to and defensive of the group instead of Kenny only caring about his immediate family.

If I had to put money on the cause of the big argument in the Episode 3 trailer, I'd say it's something to do with Kenny's family. If there was anyone able to "screw it up for everyone," it'd have to be Kenny or Duck, right?

[Zeruis]

Originally Posted by reno2200

I don't mind having Lilly in charge. If you side with her, she really softens up towards you. First and foremost, my Lee is a solid role model to Clem. Lilly puts the group first, whereas Kenny acts on what he thinks is best. It's not about taking risks, it's about taking unnecessary risks. Did checking the barn REALLY achieve anything? Couldn't Kenny have waited a little longer in the meat locker? Why not MAKE A PLAN before running off unarmed after these gun-wielding maniacs who clearly have no qualms with killing the non-undead? Lilly keeps everyone going, Kenny makes a mess, my Lee picks up the pieces.

I think there will be a divide between Team Lilly and Team Kenny (in-game and on these forums, no doubt) and, unless Carley gives me a convincing argument to the contrary, I'm thinking Lilly is the one I should stick with. I think she's going to be ridiculously loyal to and defensive of the group instead of Kenny only caring about his immediate family.

If I had to put money on the cause of the big argument in the Episode 3 trailer, I'd say it's something to do with Kenny's family. If there was anyone able to "screw it up for everyone," it'd have to be Kenny or Duck, right?

This is what I was thinking. The group is standing outside the RV, which implies that it broke down, and Lilly is confronting Kenny about it.

[CapnJay]

kenny seems more panicked then he should if it's just broken down

[Merc]

Originally Posted by CapnJay

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Episode 2 Kenny in a nutshell. I'm going to be his Robin.

[TheWaltzingBread]

I think that Lee is already in charge on an unspoken level. Not only because he is the player, but because he is constantly looked to for advice by both Lilly and Kenny in episode 2. If Lilly and Kenny set their differences aside, Lee would be in charge without a dought.

The group at this point is ruled by conflict.

[Kaapo]

I don't think Kenny is all about taking risks. Making things happen, sure, but sometimes making things happen is safer than sitting around.

I'm referring to the meat locker scene. Kenny wants to act preemptively to protect the entire group, while Lilly doesn't care about the risks and continues trying to revive her father (not that I blame her for it). The game seems to put a lot of importance on this particular choice so it's safe to assume it's supposed to reflect Kenny's character quite accurately.

In any event I've preferred Kenny's approach to things so far. Lee would probably be the best leader now that Larry doesn't give him trouble anymore, but I think that might make the game less interesting.

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by TheWaltzingBread

I think that Lee is already in charge on an unspoken level. Not only because he is the player, but because he is constantly looked to for advice by both Lilly and Kenny in episode 2. If Lilly and Kenny set their differences aside, Lee would be in charge without a dought.

The group at this point is ruled by conflict.

Really, what we see here is that there is no leader of the group - there are two people who want things to go their way, and everyone else has to choose who they are going to follow for each specific incident.

This doesn't really do much for making the group more cohesive. In fact, the longer that they continue to allow two people to work against each other, the more the ENTIRE group will become divided.

It would be better at this point for Lilly and Kenny to ALWAYS give the ultimate decision to Lee. Lee would then get EVERY adults opinion, and make the decision he feels best.

[Kaapo]

Originally Posted by Sisterofshane

Really, what we see here is that there is no leader of the group - there are two people who want things to go their way, and everyone else has to choose who they are going to follow for each specific incident.

This doesn't really do much for making the group more cohesive. In fact, the longer that they continue to allow two people to work against each other, the more the ENTIRE group will become divided.

It would be better at this point for Lilly and Kenny to ALWAYS give the ultimate decision to Lee. Lee would then get EVERY adults opinion, and make the decision he feels best.

Another good option would be to have Lilly and Kenny continue their power struggle, and Lee, being the most influential member of the remaining group, could decrease the authority of one by constantly siding with the other, up to the point where whichever one has been receiving Lee's support (Kenny or Lilly) becomes the undisputed leader of the group, and the other falls into line or even leaves the group entirely.

[zenstrata]

kenny is not a dark knight. he's a flipping moron who only cares about his immediate family and is completely disloyal to anyone who doesn't do exactly what he wants all the time.

[Lars80]

Kenny is a coward piece of shit who only cares about his familly.

First he saved Duck and abandoned Shawn.
Then he froze when Danny pointed the gun at Lee and didnt do anything. Lilly came in and saved the day.

Lilly and Carley have proven themself. Kenny? Well, he has a tendency to disappoint when he is really needed.

I just imagine that after abandoning everyone else to follow Kenny. he will leave me behind. Probably sailing off into the sunset with his boat leaving me with a large horde of walkers back at the docks.