Affecting Clementine

[CapnJay]

don't caption it then just include it if you can get the look of horror right and just post that clem will probably have the same reaction when she's forced to kill her first walker

[Master of Aeons]

If the comic has taught me anything about kids in this world, they handle killing (zombies and people) much more easily than the adults do.

Clem may be a killing machine come episode 4. "Some people need to die, right Lee?"

[Death689God]

Originally Posted by Master of Aeons

If the comic has taught me anything about kids in this world, they handle killing (zombies and people) much more easily than the adults do.

Clem may be a killing machine come episode 4. "Some people need to die, right Lee?"

Is it wrong that when I read that, the thought of it made me smirk and think to myself "That's my Girl!"

[Zeruis]

Originally Posted by Master of Aeons

If the comic has taught me anything about kids in this world, they handle killing (zombies and people) much more easily than the adults do.

Clem may be a killing machine come episode 4. "Some people need to die, right Lee?"

If this happens, she will become just like Carl in the comics. She grows up thinking that bad people need to be killed.

[Master of Aeons]

Originally Posted by Zeruis

If this happens, she will become just like Carl in the comics. She grows up thinking that bad people need to be killed.

EXACTLY what I want to see. I love [comic] Carl!

[Death689God]

Originally Posted by Master of Aeons

EXACTLY what I want to see. I love [comic] Carl!

So I take it TV Carl is a let down for you then?

[Master of Aeons]

Originally Posted by Death689God

So I take it TV Carl is a let down for you then?

WHY CAN'T THEY JUST RECAPTURE CARL AS HE IS IN THE BOOK? He doesn't need multiple episodes shuffling his feet and being a kid. Carl was never like the TV show makes him out to be. Carl was responsible and smart, then made tough decisions like his dad, then was cold and effective. At no point did he ever jump off Daryl's motorcycle with a loaded gun in his hand and shout "Yipee!"

[Death689God]

Originally Posted by Master of Aeons

WHY CAN'T THEY JUST RECAPTURE CARL AS HE IS IN THE BOOK? He doesn't need multiple episodes shuffling his feet and being a kid. Carl was never like the TV show makes him out to be. Carl was responsible and smart, then made tough decisions like his dad, then was cold and effective. At no point did he ever jump off Daryl's motorcycle with a loaded gun in his hand and shout "Yipee!"

So, basically, Clem-Clem is more like (or has more of a potential to be like) Book Carl than TV Carl is?

[Zeruis]

Originally Posted by Death689God

So, basically, Clem-Clem is more like (or has more of a potential to be like) Book Carl than TV Carl is?

God I hope not. Let's have Clem be a little different, shall we?

[Master of Aeons]

Originally Posted by Death689God

So, basically, Clem-Clem is more like (or has more of a potential to be like) Book Carl than TV Carl is?

I rather doubt it. Maybe as a last moment thing, but I don't see two versions of episode 5 with innocent Clem and tough Clem.

I could see however raising Clem to believe some people are just bad and need to be dealt with, and the season ending with her shooting you in the back of the skull. I guess the inverse is you telling her that stealing and killing are never okay, then you turn into a zombie in the ending and she does nothing to protect herself.

[Zeruis]

Originally Posted by Master of Aeons

I rather doubt it. Maybe as a last moment thing, but I don't see two versions of episode 5 with innocent Clem and tough Clem.

I could see however raising Clem to believe some people are just bad and need to be dealt with, and the season ending with her shooting you in the back of the skull. I guess the inverse is you telling her that stealing and killing are never okay, then you turn into a zombie in the ending and she does nothing to protect herself.

Your explanation reminds me of the barn shoot out in the midseason episode.

[Master of Aeons]

The two characters are nothing alike. Man, I want a drawing of Clem punching out Sophia.

[Death689God]

Originally Posted by Master of Aeons

The two characters are nothing alike. Man, I want a drawing of Clem punching out Sophia.

TV Sophia or Comic Sophia?

[Master of Aeons]

Clem and either Sophia are nothing alike. But if you're asking which I'd rather see Clem punch out, it'd have to be TV-Sophia. Comic Sophia is stupid, but never wandered off in the middle of the apocalypse.

Carl can do that, Carl's a survivor. His comic incarnation is, at least.

[Death689God]

Originally Posted by Master of Aeons

Clem and either Sophia are nothing alike. But if you're asking which I'd rather see Clem punch out, it'd have to be TV-Sophia. Comic Sophia is stupid, but never wandered off in the middle of the apocalypse.

Carl can do that, Carl's a survivor. His comic incarnation is, at least.

Yeah I meant the punching out part. XD

[zenstrata]

It all depends on the person and how the people around them deal with life. I find it funny how every once in a while someone mentions they don't want to kill people for fear of losing their 'Humanity'. Personally I think that is completely silly. People do not become somehow less human just because they have to deal with death.

There is a very large difference between dispatching someone/something when justified with good reasons, and when you do not have that justification. What is important is if the person has thoroughly considered the possible options, and after considering everything to the best of their ability, makes a decision.

The philosophy behind your actions are as important as the actions themselves. Unfortunately, most people go through life without thinking these things through ahead of time. Ask yourself "what would I do if..." on a regular basis. Do it with the hard questions, put yourself in hypothetical situations and decide on a response. For example: you are in a car at a stoplight, you look in your rearview mirror and see several men walking up behind your car with a heavy object like a brick or a shovel. What do you do and why? Note that this is a common tactic for car-jacking. They throw the brick through your window, then take your car possibly wounding or killing you in the process.

There is a saying which has been around for a fairly long time. "Victory loves preparation". Being prepared means not just physical things you have in place, but mental preparation as well. You should know what you are going to do already because you have a plan which generally covers these situations. You react faster because your mind has dealt with the problem and is prepared with a ready solution. That is how people survive.

So that is what I would cultivate in Clementine if I were Lee. I would sit down and talk with her about the hard stuff. I would explain why I did the things I did. I would go over planning ahead of time and already having your important decisions mapped out. My Clem would be ready, able, and without doubts. She would react firmly and decisively when needed and still have no trouble sleeping because her actions would be justified and prepared ahead of time.

For example, I have already decided how to deal with potential criminals. I give everyone one chance. I treat them with respect and decently, Until they prove they are not worthy of that respect. Attempting to kill or wound my group or myself is one thing which instantly causes them to lose that respect. So when that happened with the group at the dairy, I knew exactly what had to be done. And I was mentally prepared to do it.

[CapnJay]

yeah you guys lost me dont know carl or sophia im imagining the guy from aqua ten hunger force and Laura from silent hill two

[Master of Aeons]

Okay, now I want Laura with bloody knuckles over a downed Carl saying, "I don't know, MAYBE I did."

[Death689God]

Originally Posted by zenstrata

It all depends on the person and how the people around them deal with life. I find it funny how every once in a while someone mentions they don't want to kill people for fear of losing their 'Humanity'. Personally I think that is completely silly. People do not become somehow less human just because they have to deal with death.

There is a very large difference between dispatching someone/something when justified with good reasons, and when you do not have that justification. What is important is if the person has thoroughly considered the possible options, and after considering everything to the best of their ability, makes a decision.

The philosophy behind your actions are as important as the actions themselves. Unfortunately, most people go through life without thinking these things through ahead of time. Ask yourself "what would I do if..." on a regular basis. Do it with the hard questions, put yourself in hypothetical situations and decide on a response. For example: you are in a car at a stoplight, you look in your rearview mirror and see several men walking up behind your car with a heavy object like a brick or a shovel. What do you do and why? Note that this is a common tactic for car-jacking. They throw the brick through your window, then take your car possibly wounding or killing you in the process.

There is a saying which has been around for a fairly long time. "Victory loves preparation". Being prepared means not just physical things you have in place, but mental preparation as well. You should know what you are going to do already because you have a plan which generally covers these situations. You react faster because your mind has dealt with the problem and is prepared with a ready solution. That is how people survive.

So that is what I would cultivate in Clementine if I were Lee. I would sit down and talk with her about the hard stuff. I would explain why I did the things I did. I would go over planning ahead of time and already having your important decisions mapped out. My Clem would be ready, able, and without doubts. She would react firmly and decisively when needed and still have no trouble sleeping because her actions would be justified and prepared ahead of time.

For example, I have already decided how to deal with potential criminals. I give everyone one chance. I treat them with respect and decently, Until they prove they are not worthy of that respect. Attempting to kill or wound my group or myself is one thing which instantly causes them to lose that respect. So when that happened with the group at the dairy, I knew exactly what had to be done. And I was mentally prepared to do it.

I have a similar approach, but I don't think the game will allow us to get that in depth unfortunately.

[Zeruis]

Originally Posted by Death689God

I have a similar approach, but I don't think the game will allow us to get that in depth unfortunately.

It's a shame that Robert Kirkman didn't include any kinds of apparent elements in the comics. It would be cool for TT to include more elements of symbolism, motif, and paradoxes.