Questions about Mark and Lilly (SPOILERS)

[zimka]

sorry if it was discussed, but I am wondering how exactly the cannibal family would keep the whole we-chopped-off-mark's-legs situation hushed. surely the group would want to see their friend at some point after the dinner. if the farmers' plan was to kill everyone right then, it would make sense to add some sedative in food, but that didn't happen, as in my play-through everyone took at least a bite, and the family was also eating the same food.

also, it really bugs me how lilly was pissed at me for not giving food to her dad back at motel. there are two kids and three women in the group, did she seriously expected me to give limited food supplies to the biggest man in the team, the one who tried to kill me, and generally treated everyone like crap? what the hell?

on that note, i actually gave food to lilly, and if she was so concerned about her dad why didn't SHE just gave it to her dad? the fact that she mentioned it later on hints that she actually ate it all herself. nice going, girl. but even if she shared food with her dad - than there is even less reason to be pissed at me, because that would indicate that she fully expected me to give her family TWO pieces of food supplies. yeah, right.

[zimka]

another question -

why did the farmers tried to kill lee and mark by electrifying them with the fence? how is it efficient? sure, you can pass it up as an accident, but to actually do that they'd need a lot of luck - both men touching the fence at the same time.

also, if the plan was to kill the group one by one, why didn't one of the brothers shoot lee while they were at the camp? surely it's more likely to be killed by bandits while at their camp than go through accidental double electrocution.

[franapbsilva]

I'm also wondering that. The St. John could say that Mark died because of an infection, but their plan was to kill all of them.
Maybe they knew about the bandits near the fence, and try to send Mark and Lee to die, so the bandits would go away, and reduce the numbers on our goup. So, maybe Andrew was seeing them, and when they went to the other side, he turn it on.
But if their plan was to reduce the numbers, Danny could kill Lee at the camp. But that would be suspicious, and the group would feel unsafe, and try to leave.
So, they used Mark as dinner. Maybe they would let as leave, if we didn't go upstairs, but I don't think so... And if they had put sedatives in the meat, they wouldn't eat, and our group would find it fishy... And they didn't want to put us asleep. They needed Katjaa awake, and I don't think they could carry Larry. So, they took two unconscious guys, and forced the rest to walk.

[Zeruis]

Originally Posted by zimka

another question -

why did the farmers tried to kill lee and mark by electrifying them with the fence? how is it efficient? sure, you can pass it up as an accident, but to actually do that they'd need a lot of luck - both men touching the fence at the same time.

also, if the plan was to kill the group one by one, why didn't one of the brothers shoot lee while they were at the camp? surely it's more likely to be killed by bandits while at their camp than go through accidental double electrocution.

I think that zapping them with the electric fence shows the odd mentality that the brothers have. Also, it would have been more convenient for the brothers to sneak up on Lee's group and kill them, but they said that they prefer "fresh meat", which refers to them keeping their bodies alive, or the meat gets "tainted".

[Milosuperspesh]

the st johns did know about the bandits it's made pretty clear...the farmers also have 'a any injury is going to kill someone' principle so by that logic even a paper cut would mean you're farmer chow..

yes they where a bit odd in general, also you hear upon killing larry and sneaking up on danny the fate of clem 'keep one alive, but the girl can die she has no meat on her'

once andy is told his mother and danny are other wise occupied he just wants to kill you for revenge in anger and people should know in anger, common sense is the first to go..

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by zimka

another question -

why did the farmers tried to kill lee and mark by electrifying them with the fence? how is it efficient? sure, you can pass it up as an accident, but to actually do that they'd need a lot of luck - both men touching the fence at the same time.

also, if the plan was to kill the group one by one, why didn't one of the brothers shoot lee while they were at the camp? surely it's more likely to be killed by bandits while at their camp than go through accidental double electrocution.

I'm not sure the plan was necessarily to try and kill both of them with the fence, but rather to have the bandits kill Lee and mark by keeping them pinned on the other side of the fence (which almost worked). The family would've been able to make a far more credible excuse that it wasn't their fault if Mark and Lee were killed by the bandits (nobody else would know the fence came on just before the attack), and could also motivate the rest of their group into trying to get revenge on the bandits themselves which would take the bandits' attention off the Dairy.

I doubt it's a coincidence that Danny suggested trying to find the bandit camp and having everybody "mount up for some revenge" after the bandit attack, because no matter how a conflict between Lee's group and the bandits went, the St. John's would be the ones to benefit from it.

[wminscoe7]

What was deal with eerie green lights coming from windows of house on farm during storm..when Lee was creeping upto door to save Katjaa from Brenda? Maybe crazy cannibals give off green glow at night?

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

I'm not sure the plan was necessarily to try and kill both of them with the fence, but rather to have the bandits kill Lee and mark by keeping them pinned on the other side of the fence (which almost worked). The family would've been able to make a far more credible excuse that it wasn't their fault if Mark and Lee were killed by the bandits (nobody else would know the fence came on just before the attack), and could also motivate the rest of their group into trying to get revenge on the bandits themselves which would take the bandits' attention off the Dairy.

I doubt it's a coincidence that Danny suggested trying to find the bandit camp and having everybody "mount up for some revenge" after the bandit attack, because no matter how a conflict between Lee's group and the bandits went, the St. John's would be the ones to benefit from it.

Later on while you tussle with Andy, however, you can shove him into the electric fence and it doesn't kill him outright. (He says 400 volts are pushed through it, but nothing about the amount of amps, so I'm not quite sure exactly how deadly it is). I think he planned to turn on the electric fence to injure one or both of Mark and Lee, to then justify "helping them" (no doubt the same way they helped Mark with the arrow in his shoulder by chopping off his legs). I think it was a coincidence that the Bandits showed up at that exact moment, out of anger that their food was disappearing (thanks to Jolene, as we can guess from her video). They seem genuinely surprised that the Bandits are attacking them, and it is the first mention of their "deal" to give them food for safety.

[Master of Aeons]

I think the St. Johns were going to have everyone captured at some point soon and imprisoned like they later say: "Keep one, kill the rest". The thing that bothers me is why they would feed someone they were planning to later overpower.

[Kaapo]

Originally Posted by Master of Aeons

I think the St. Johns were going to have everyone captured at some point soon and imprisoned like they later say: "Keep one, kill the rest". The thing that bothers me is why they would feed someone they were planning to later overpower.

To fatten them up, perhaps?

[Master of Aeons]

Originally Posted by Kaapo

To fatten them up, perhaps?

They're dairy hands. Fatten up the captives on bread and cheese; keep the meat for yourself.

[Milosuperspesh]

initally the st johns weren't going to eat anyone, but mark got injured and as per the 'georgia' way they used mark for food as brenda says waste nothing..

so either way if not mark then someone else would of been food maybe even larry ?

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by Milosuperspesh

initally the st johns weren't going to eat anyone, but mark got injured and as per the 'georgia' way they used mark for food as brenda says waste nothing..

so either way if not mark then someone else would of been food maybe even larry ?

No, I think they intended to eat SOMEONE. First, Andy turned on the fence (probably in hopes one of them would get zapped, and then need their special brand of medical "treatment", AKA leg removal!).

Then there is Danny's comment at the dinner table, after Brenda talks about only eating people who were going to die anyway. Danny quips "Like you all". They had probably done something of this nature before - finding single or groups of survivors who were starving and weak, "invite them" to the farm, and then eat them.

[Milosuperspesh]

my point is what would of happened had no one got injured ?

i was speculating...sheesh

but yes they did set out to kill someone i get that...it just happened to be mark from the arrow

yet andy says they just wanted gas.. which could suggest he is not liking the cannabalism

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by Milosuperspesh

my point is what would of happened had no one got injured ?

i was speculating...sheesh

but yes they did set out to kill someone i get that...it just happened to be mark from the arrow

yet andy says they just wanted gas.. which could suggest he is not liking the cannabalism

Coming from the Bioware Social Network, speculating is BAD mmm-kay?

I do agree with you about Andy - I see him as being the most conflicted about cannibalism. He seems to be truly disgusted by people behaving amorally, such as the Bandits. He also looks the most guilty at the dinner table, and unlike Danny and Brenda, he makes no attempt to justify what has happened. Also, if you talk to Brenda before going to check out the fence, she says that Danny is a mama's boy (he probably fell right in line with his cannibal mom), but Andy was always more distant, only coming back to help his family when the Walkers came about.

I think that the gas comment was more about guilt and hind-sight, though. Andy seems to be the only person to realize that, in choosing to attack Lee and his group, he and his family brought about their own downfall (ironically in the name of survival).

As far as what would have happened if no one had been injured, I don't really know. I don't think they ever intended any of us to leave the farm alive (I believe that to be the fate of most of the survivors that Brenda claims to have helped before they "moved on"). Our only saving Grace was probably the fact that Katjaa was helping them with their last cow. Otherwise you can bet we would have been taken out much sooner than they did.