55% Lack Compassion...

[WowMutt]

to me, in my way of thinking, compassion does not exist during a zombie Apoc.. I would have left her in her room given the chance.. dont going to waste a bullet or hand over our only gun (at that time) to a distraught woman.

the only exception is Clem, having to follow the game.. But she's not my kid and if she slowes me up, she's zombie bait!

[chaz99]

As far as the "we can't spare the ammunition" argument goes, as far as the game is concerned, I really doubt that that is an issue. Carley has the gun and we are not told how many rds she has and as far as we know she could be packing thousands of rounds around with her. We just offed six walkers with one round.

The question is more a philosophical one- does someone have the right to choose how they die if die they must? Speaking as someone who has worked with sick people for decades, I have to say that I believe they do. My point is that Irene has chosen this way out, and in context of the likely event of her turning into a walker post mortem it can also be argued that her choice is one that would benefit the rest of humanity. It is in the interest of the survivors and those who want to survive the ZA that there not be another walker if it can be prevented.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by chaz99

As far as the "we can't spare the ammunition" argument goes, as far as the game is concerned, I really doubt that that is an issue. Carley has the gun and we are not told how many rds she has and as far as we know she could be packing thousands of rounds around with her. We just offed six walkers with one round.

The question is more a philosophical one- does someone have the right to choose how they die if die they must? Speaking as someone who has worked with sick people for decades, I have to say that I believe they do. My point is that Irene has chosen this way out, and in context of the likely event of her turning into a walker post mortem it can also be argued that her choice is one that would benefit the rest of humanity. It is in the interest of the survivors and those who want to survive the ZA that there not be another walker if it can be prevented.

We see like, two magazines in Carley's purse (and we never see her carry anything else), she's not exactly lugging around a crate of ammunition. That does put an upper limit on how much she realistically has with her, so it is a legitimate concern. It's a survival scenario: that weapon and its ammunition is not only the group's primary method of self-defense, but potentially its only method for gathering food as well (i.e. hunting) as well. Your right to choose how you die stops when it interferes with my ability to stay alive.

That said, I could've justified the use of a round (though I can understand why others wouldn't), but the way the choice was presented; i.e. give the crazy acting woman the group's only gun, the answer will be "no" all day long.

[CapnJay]

There's already been an Irene thread.

[craftyard]

Originally Posted by The Real Jaybles

3) Bullets are precious in times like this, I would actually have rather used the axe I had, I mean a bullet or just quickly one chop to the neck you wouldn't feel it right?

Actually, she would feel it, and she'd be in agony for a minute or two before she expired. Killing her with the axe would have been about twice as messy as chopping the teacher's leg off in episode 2.

Also, for those of you saying that ammo is in limited supply, somehow I think that we'll never run out of ammo; or if we do, it will be unavoidable and our actions have no influence on it.

[Milosuperspesh]

Originally Posted by craftyard

Actually, she would feel it, and she'd be in agony for a minute or two before she expired. Killing her with the axe would have been about twice as messy as chopping the teacher's leg off in episode 2.

Also, for those of you saying that ammo is in limited supply, somehow I think that we'll never run out of ammo; or if we do, it will be unavoidable and our actions have no influence on it.

plus the did rescue mark from an army base so logic denotes the got some more ammo/guns in the process

[NickPope]

All she had to do is wait until they came back with some good drugs.

[zgamer]

I don't think I lacked compassion when I spared her life. Ideally, the survivors could have believed there was still a chance to save her. It's the same way Rick in the comics tried to to save the lives of Allen and Dale. Even when Rick saw that amputation may not work from failing to save Allen, he still did it when the same thing happened to Dale and it saved his life.

While Irene's wound is different, it's not far fetched to think that someone would want to help save her life instead of just euthanizing her. I like to think it along the lines of Lee's comments to Glenn after the Irene event that we shouldn't just let everyone give up hope in dark times. Without hope, what is the point of survival?

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

Originally Posted by zgamer

I don't think I lacked compassion when I spared her life. Ideally, the survivors could have believed there was still a chance to save her. It's the same way Rick in the comics tried to to save the lives of Allen and Dale. Even when Rick saw that amputation may not work from failing to save Allen, he still did it when the same thing happened to Dale and it saved his life.

While Irene's wound is different, it's not far fetched to think that someone would want to help save her life instead of just euthanizing her. I like to think it along the lines of Lee's comments to Glenn after the Irene event that we shouldn't just let everyone give up hope in dark times. Without hope, what is the point of survival?

hear, hear!

The right and honourable gentleman from Idaho has made a good point which I can only echo in short.

Without hope what is the point of survival. Killing that women is killing hope.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by Milosuperspesh

plus the did rescue mark from an army base so logic denotes the got some more ammo/guns in the process

Mark was Chair Force, not Army. Likewise, we tend not to keep weapons and ammunition laying about the place, if you're not carrying it, odds are it's locked in an armory. Plus there's the fact we don't see a single military-grade weapon among the group...

[Galan_Vaurek]

I let her shoot herself. Tho, I would rather have done it myself.

Recap here, yes, we only have the one gun and limited ammo at this point of the story, but we had just killed 6-7 walkers without the use of the gun.. so
we're still at a + for the ammo.

At this point in the story everyone is still under the impression that once you are bitten, you turn. Period.

Shooting her in the head would prevent her from becoming a walker, with the potential to spread the "disease" making more walkers.

All of those things, with the added.. putting her out of her mental anguish, was appropriate in my opinion. I've watched two of my grandparents die slow agonizing deaths through cancer. I watched as my eldest brother died a slow agonizing death with MS.. and I've watched close friends die long, drawn out, painful deaths in Hospice. I firmly believe in the 'right to die' aspect, and again.. as a preventative measure for other walkers... Definitely the right thing to do, at the time, with the information had.

[Araron]

I gave her the gun.She would have died anyway,she was desperate and seemed to have suffered a lot already.Wanted to help her,otherwise she would just suffer and endure the pain until eventually,she would die and turn into a walker.

...anyways,that would be one less walker to deal with lol.

[godzilla999666]

I gave her the gun without a second thought. I believe in a person's choice to end their life when they have a life ending disease. As lee, i think their is no cure, so she was going to turn and die. that was her fate, and if she wan't to die before that, then I was in support of that.

[The-J23]

I didn't want to risk the noise of the gunshot. I knew it would attract walkers.

[Zombieface]

My first thought was that I didn't want to give her the gun, cause I didn't want to "waste to ammo". But then I thought, well she's gonna turn anyways, so it wouldn't really be a waste, so I let her do it lol.

[Araron]

Originally Posted by The-J23

I didn't want to risk the noise of the gunshot. I knew it would attract walkers.

I agree. But most of the walkers near the building were already killed...and even if you don't give her the gun,she'll shot her self,so I guess its pretty much the same lol.

[MeddlingMonk]

I gave Irene the gun. It was her life, therefore it was her choice; and the circumstances were compelling. I do not believe, as some appear to, that personal preferences or choices necessarily place constraints on the actions of other people.

[Wounds Make Me Squirm]

It was an easy choice for me, based on empathy rather than on what would necessarily be good for the group (though if our lives truly hang on the expenditure of one bullet I figure we're screwed anyway.)

All I saw was a woman who wanted to die, who would've suffered a painful death if I hadn't capped her and a horrible undeath. The moral arrow swung only one way.

Despite Glenn's totally inappropriate comments regarding the fact she had a boyfriend (really, dude, how desperate are you to get laid?) I was pretty much immune to whatever anyone else said regarding her fate - she was doomed and she needed someone to help her out. I'd have preferred to use the axe, but those are the breaks.

Ultimately, I had no qualms about easing her passage (though not in the way Glenn would've wanted).

[mulvad]

well I wanted to cut her head off with my mighty axe... as someone said before, I felt it was to soon to say bye bye to the bullet...

Heck even if I could NOT chop her head off, I could atleast throw her off the balcony head first... then she is injured (goes to heaven), and I get to kill another Walker...

[zapphoman]

I totally gave her the gun. My Lee thought about the same way I would of thought of it and that is "What if I was bitten and infected?" I would of begged someone to put me out of my misery and if they couldn't do it, I would have gladly blown my own brains out.