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ryannumber1gamer · 08/12/2012, 03:10 pm

Watch the Batman & Superman AVGN episodes to see how bad these games can be.

DAISHI · 08/12/2012, 03:24 pm

If you want to do a good Superman game you really just need to look at the adventures of Hercules. They reduced his powers in some ways and pitted him against amazing enemies in others. Superman can't just zap General Zod (who has been portrayed as a better fighter) or other Kryptonian types. He couldn't just zap Lobo, Darkseid, Brainiac, Doomsday, etc.

And the greatest enemy of all, Lex Luthor, can devise machines that fight him. More importantly, Luthor is a cerebral character that can outwit and outplay Superman. Games within games.

Put Kryptonite bullets in your guns. Employ magic users, which have always been able to hurt Superman. Gold Kryptonite makes him pretty close to human. Red Kryptonite has crazy effects on him. You could look at this as a status ailment in the RPG type games. Telepathy can have an effect on him. Blue Kryptonite has beneficial outcomes. Think of it like a status booster. Silver Kryptonite induces paranoid delusions. You can have the same sort of Scarecrow events under its influence.

Green Lantern type rings can have harmful effect by simulating Green Kryptonite's properties.

Radiation of specific frequencies can harm Superman.

As far as straight out villains that can duke it out, again you have Zod, Darkseid, Doomsday, Bizarro, Parasite, just about ANY of the other Supermen (Superboy, Cyborg Superman, and Eradicator Superman), Mongul, Brainiac.

Honorable mention to Mr. Mxyzptlk, who can create alternative worlds and crazy scenarios to combat Superman.

There are a number of ways to limit Supermans powers, either via certain forms of Kryptonite, telepathy, magic, or simply god level powers (Mxyzptlk). If you don't want to lower Superman's power, up that of his enemies. Goons with guns won't get it done, but a lot of goons wearing Kryptonian or Luthor armor with comparable weaponry would be a threat, if minor compared to the strength of his true heavy hitting foes.

Yeah, with Superman you can take the Arkham approach and modify it, but the biggest key to Superman is going bigger. Go big or go home. Batman's appeal is in the struggle of a human being doing superhuman things. Superman is a god, and you have to approach him as such.

If you want the "detective" element, don't forget Superman's role as Clark Kent. If Luthor's your enemy and is playing psychological warfare and trickery, you've got Clark as the guy that's got to figure all this stuff out, put the clues together, determine where his enemies are, etc.

ryannumber1gamer · 08/12/2012, 03:52 pm

I agree with Darth about how Superman is too overpowered and if he lost all his powers then it would not be a Superman game. What if in Batman Arkham Asylum & Arkham City Batman lost all his gadgets and something hit his head so he loses detective mode then all we would have would be a fighter with the hero,Allies, & Villains just having Batman skins.

DAISHI · 08/12/2012, 03:54 pm

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Originally Posted by ryannumber1gamer

I agree with Darth about how Superman is too overpowered and if he lost all his powers then it would not be a Superman game. What if in Batman Arkham Asylum & Arkham City Batman lost all his gadgets and something hit his head so he loses detective mode then all we would have would be a fighter with the hero,Allies, & Villains just having Batman skins.

In Arkham Asylum he doesn't start with a fraction of what he starts with in Arkham City. Arkham Asylum powered him up, sometimes in arbitrary fashion, over the course of the game.

ryannumber1gamer · 08/12/2012, 03:58 pm

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Originally Posted by DAISHI

In Arkham Asylum he doesn't start with a fraction of what he starts with in Arkham City. Arkham Asylum powered him up, sometimes in arbitrary fashion, over the course of the game.

No i mean if he had no gadgets at all & didn't get any in the entire game.

DAISHI · 08/12/2012, 04:00 pm

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Originally Posted by ryannumber1gamer

No i mean if he had no gadgets at all & didn't get any in the entire game.

Okay, that I understand. But I don't think anybody wants Superman to go through the entire game without powers. You power him down at the start and power him up as you go. This has been done, successfully, in games like Batman and Metroid, so there's a way to go about it.

coolsome · 08/12/2012, 04:03 pm

He could have all his powers but do timed missions to save people. Or have sandbox where he goes round saving people in danger and use villains like Darkseid and ones who can hurt him.

ryannumber1gamer · 08/12/2012, 04:21 pm

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Originally Posted by coolsome

He could have all his powers but do timed missions to save people. Or have sandbox where he goes round saving people in danger and use villains like Darkseid and ones who can hurt him.

Coolsome have you not learned about timed missions from another certain super hero game which was for the Nintendo 64 which had lots of hoops for a certain DC superhero to fly through and missions where you had to pick up cars and a Angry Nerd reviewed it and after i watched the review even through i have not played any Nintendo 64 games (Well i have got Mario 64 & Zelda Majora's Mask on Virtual Console on the Wii) Just by watching it i could tell it was awful. So Coolsome any idea what game i'm talking about?

coolsome · 08/12/2012, 04:27 pm

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Originally Posted by ryannumber1gamer

Coolsome have you not learned about timed missions from another certain super hero game which was for the Nintendo 64 which had lots of hoops for a certain DC superhero to fly through and missions where you had to pick up cars and a Angry Nerd reviewed it and after i watched the review even through i have not played any Nintendo 64 games (Well i have got Mario 64 & Zelda Majora's Mask on Virtual Console on the Wii) Just by watching it i could tell it was awful. So Coolsome any idea what game i'm talking about?

Well do timed missions better then Superman 64 then! Which wont be hard.

DAISHI · 08/12/2012, 04:35 pm

Yeah timed missions can be done right. Superman saving people is a part of his very core character.

Secret Fawful · 08/12/2012, 04:43 pm

Superman overpowered my ass. Let's talk Hulk and basically any major Marvel villain when we talk overpowered. Yet they did manage to make a fun, if not dumb Hulk game. Also there was a good Superman game, but nobody played it because of the bad rep Superman games have.

It was called Superman: Shadow of Apokolips. It's not amazing or perfect, but it was a step in the right direction nobody took to the next step. It had great controls, it made good but not great use of his major powers....it did a good job.

EDIT: It also had a good means of powering down Superman at times by having sections where he had to remain disguised as Clark Kent.

ryannumber1gamer · 08/12/2012, 04:48 pm

Ok how about this now hear me out. Superman gets infected with a new kind of Kryptonite which Lex made and it limits Superman's powers. He still has his powers but he can only use them for a little bit of time. Then after he does something like beat a boss he gets unlimited use of that certain power.It could be done like the Infamous ps3 game series were Cole has a lot of powers but has a limit on them and needs to get more power before using them again.

DAISHI · 08/12/2012, 04:52 pm

Don't need a new virus, Gold Kryptonite already does that.

coolsome · 08/12/2012, 04:57 pm

I think you could make a Superman game with all his powers with very little effot to get round it! Hes vulnerable to magic so just have magical villains.

ryannumber1gamer · 08/12/2012, 04:59 pm

How about a new Batman/Superman game where they team up after Poison Ivy takes over the minds of DC heroes & Villains.

coolsome · 08/12/2012, 05:00 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryannumber1gamer

How about a new Batman/Superman game where they team up after Poison Ivy takes over the minds of DC heroes & Villains.

If they team up it has to be agianst Darkseid or something that needs both Superman and Batman's attention.

DAISHI · 08/12/2012, 05:01 pm

Honestly, I'd rather have Luthor as the big bad. He's a cerebral villain and you need that for Batman.

Secret Fawful · 08/12/2012, 05:02 pm

Screw.....restricting....Superman's powers. He does that himself anyway. He has to.

coolsome · 08/12/2012, 05:03 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Secret Fawful

Screw.....restricting....Superman's powers. He does that himself anyway. He has to.

Unless its Darkseid.

ryannumber1gamer · 08/12/2012, 05:03 pm

What if Poison Ivy took over Darkseid's mind. In Batman Hush Poison Ivy says no man o woman can resist her so that could mean she could take over Darkseid Wonder Woman,Green Lantern,Flash and all the DC villains & heroes. Even in Batman Hush she takes over Superman's mind.

08/12/2012, 03:10 pm	#521
ryannumber1gamer The Number 1 Gamer. Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,860	Watch the Batman & Superman AVGN episodes to see how bad these games can be. __________________ Somewhere deep in the Caribbean... Sam:Hey little buddy where did you get this ship? Max:I got it off some guy waving his arms around Sam:Then who is that guy over there? Max:I don't know Sam but should we make him walk the deck? Sam:Can't think of a reason not too. Games I'm Playing:,Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale,Assassin's Creed Revelations,Assassin's Creed 3,Assassin's Creed 3 Liberation,Lego Batman 2,Dead rising 2,BTTF The Game,Sly Cooper Thieves in Time.

08/12/2012, 03:24 pm	#522
DAISHI TELLTALE STEALTH NINJA Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,032	If you want to do a good Superman game you really just need to look at the adventures of Hercules. They reduced his powers in some ways and pitted him against amazing enemies in others. Superman can't just zap General Zod (who has been portrayed as a better fighter) or other Kryptonian types. He couldn't just zap Lobo, Darkseid, Brainiac, Doomsday, etc. And the greatest enemy of all, Lex Luthor, can devise machines that fight him. More importantly, Luthor is a cerebral character that can outwit and outplay Superman. Games within games. Put Kryptonite bullets in your guns. Employ magic users, which have always been able to hurt Superman. Gold Kryptonite makes him pretty close to human. Red Kryptonite has crazy effects on him. You could look at this as a status ailment in the RPG type games. Telepathy can have an effect on him. Blue Kryptonite has beneficial outcomes. Think of it like a status booster. Silver Kryptonite induces paranoid delusions. You can have the same sort of Scarecrow events under its influence. Green Lantern type rings can have harmful effect by simulating Green Kryptonite's properties. Radiation of specific frequencies can harm Superman. As far as straight out villains that can duke it out, again you have Zod, Darkseid, Doomsday, Bizarro, Parasite, just about ANY of the other Supermen (Superboy, Cyborg Superman, and Eradicator Superman), Mongul, Brainiac. Honorable mention to Mr. Mxyzptlk, who can create alternative worlds and crazy scenarios to combat Superman. There are a number of ways to limit Supermans powers, either via certain forms of Kryptonite, telepathy, magic, or simply god level powers (Mxyzptlk). If you don't want to lower Superman's power, up that of his enemies. Goons with guns won't get it done, but a lot of goons wearing Kryptonian or Luthor armor with comparable weaponry would be a threat, if minor compared to the strength of his true heavy hitting foes. Yeah, with Superman you can take the Arkham approach and modify it, but the biggest key to Superman is going bigger. Go big or go home. Batman's appeal is in the struggle of a human being doing superhuman things. Superman is a god, and you have to approach him as such. If you want the "detective" element, don't forget Superman's role as Clark Kent. If Luthor's your enemy and is playing psychological warfare and trickery, you've got Clark as the guy that's got to figure all this stuff out, put the clues together, determine where his enemies are, etc. __________________ "Hah! It's like we don't even have feelings. Now pardon me while I recline in my huge executive chair and guffaw, cigar in-hand. " "ill just go with what Winslow always when something that funny about a location in monkey island is said" Last edited by DAISHI; 08/12/2012 at 03:29 pm.

08/12/2012, 03:52 pm	#523
ryannumber1gamer The Number 1 Gamer. Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,860	I agree with Darth about how Superman is too overpowered and if he lost all his powers then it would not be a Superman game. What if in Batman Arkham Asylum & Arkham City Batman lost all his gadgets and something hit his head so he loses detective mode then all we would have would be a fighter with the hero,Allies, & Villains just having Batman skins. __________________ Somewhere deep in the Caribbean... Sam:Hey little buddy where did you get this ship? Max:I got it off some guy waving his arms around Sam:Then who is that guy over there? Max:I don't know Sam but should we make him walk the deck? Sam:Can't think of a reason not too. Games I'm Playing:,Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale,Assassin's Creed Revelations,Assassin's Creed 3,Assassin's Creed 3 Liberation,Lego Batman 2,Dead rising 2,BTTF The Game,Sly Cooper Thieves in Time.

08/12/2012, 04:03 pm	#527
coolsome Sam D Coolsome Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: England Posts: 5,991	He could have all his powers but do timed missions to save people. Or have sandbox where he goes round saving people in danger and use villains like Darkseid and ones who can hurt him. __________________

08/12/2012, 04:35 pm	#530
DAISHI TELLTALE STEALTH NINJA Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,032	Yeah timed missions can be done right. Superman saving people is a part of his very core character. __________________ "Hah! It's like we don't even have feelings. Now pardon me while I recline in my huge executive chair and guffaw, cigar in-hand. " "ill just go with what Winslow always when something that funny about a location in monkey island is said"

08/12/2012, 04:43 pm	#531
Secret Fawful Fearless Oathbreaker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Stuck In This Pose Sexiness: Off The Charts! Posts: 5,140	Superman overpowered my ass. Let's talk Hulk and basically any major Marvel villain when we talk overpowered. Yet they did manage to make a fun, if not dumb Hulk game. Also there was a good Superman game, but nobody played it because of the bad rep Superman games have. It was called Superman: Shadow of Apokolips. It's not amazing or perfect, but it was a step in the right direction nobody took to the next step. It had great controls, it made good but not great use of his major powers....it did a good job. EDIT: It also had a good means of powering down Superman at times by having sections where he had to remain disguised as Clark Kent. __________________ You're the greatest. The greatest! - GuruGuru214 You'll go far in this life, Fawful. - That Guy In The Wheelchair Fawful, you sir, are made of win. - mgrant I love the Fawful! - Davies You're like a bad comedian. - monkey_05_06 ** you. - Giant Tope Why do you have to be such an hole? - Avistew You're a miserable little weasel who derives pleasure from being a *. - AllenB Grow up. - Mike Haley Now Playing: ~~Space Quest 0: Replicated~~ - ~~Space Quest I EGA: The Sarien Encounter~~ - Space Quest I VGA: The Sarien Encounter** - Space Quest II EGA: Vohaul's Revenge - Space Quest II VGA: Vohaul's Revenge - Space Quest III: The Pirates of Pestulon - Space Quest IV: Roger Wilco and the Time Rippers - Space Quest V: The Next Mutation - Space Quest VI: Roger Wilco in the Spinal Frontier - Space Quest: The Lost Chapter Last edited by Secret Fawful; 08/12/2012 at 04:48 pm.

08/12/2012, 04:48 pm	#532
ryannumber1gamer The Number 1 Gamer. Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,860	Ok how about this now hear me out. Superman gets infected with a new kind of Kryptonite which Lex made and it limits Superman's powers. He still has his powers but he can only use them for a little bit of time. Then after he does something like beat a boss he gets unlimited use of that certain power.It could be done like the Infamous ps3 game series were Cole has a lot of powers but has a limit on them and needs to get more power before using them again. __________________ Somewhere deep in the Caribbean... Sam:Hey little buddy where did you get this ship? Max:I got it off some guy waving his arms around Sam:Then who is that guy over there? Max:I don't know Sam but should we make him walk the deck? Sam:Can't think of a reason not too. Games I'm Playing:,Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale,Assassin's Creed Revelations,Assassin's Creed 3,Assassin's Creed 3 Liberation,Lego Batman 2,Dead rising 2,BTTF The Game,Sly Cooper Thieves in Time.

08/12/2012, 04:52 pm	#533
DAISHI TELLTALE STEALTH NINJA Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,032	Don't need a new virus, Gold Kryptonite already does that. __________________ "Hah! It's like we don't even have feelings. Now pardon me while I recline in my huge executive chair and guffaw, cigar in-hand. " "ill just go with what Winslow always when something that funny about a location in monkey island is said"

08/12/2012, 04:57 pm	#534
coolsome Sam D Coolsome Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: England Posts: 5,991	I think you could make a Superman game with all his powers with very little effot to get round it! Hes vulnerable to magic so just have magical villains. __________________

08/12/2012, 04:59 pm	#535
ryannumber1gamer The Number 1 Gamer. Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,860	How about a new Batman/Superman game where they team up after Poison Ivy takes over the minds of DC heroes & Villains. __________________ Somewhere deep in the Caribbean... Sam:Hey little buddy where did you get this ship? Max:I got it off some guy waving his arms around Sam:Then who is that guy over there? Max:I don't know Sam but should we make him walk the deck? Sam:Can't think of a reason not too. Games I'm Playing:,Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale,Assassin's Creed Revelations,Assassin's Creed 3,Assassin's Creed 3 Liberation,Lego Batman 2,Dead rising 2,BTTF The Game,Sly Cooper Thieves in Time.

08/12/2012, 05:01 pm	#537
DAISHI TELLTALE STEALTH NINJA Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,032	Honestly, I'd rather have Luthor as the big bad. He's a cerebral villain and you need that for Batman. __________________ "Hah! It's like we don't even have feelings. Now pardon me while I recline in my huge executive chair and guffaw, cigar in-hand. " "ill just go with what Winslow always when something that funny about a location in monkey island is said"

08/12/2012, 05:02 pm	#538
Secret Fawful Fearless Oathbreaker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Stuck In This Pose Sexiness: Off The Charts! Posts: 5,140	Screw.....restricting....Superman's powers. He does that himself anyway. He has to. __________________ You're the greatest. The greatest! - GuruGuru214 You'll go far in this life, Fawful. - That Guy In The Wheelchair Fawful, you sir, are made of win. - mgrant I love the Fawful! - Davies You're like a bad comedian. - monkey_05_06 ** you. - Giant Tope Why do you have to be such an hole? - Avistew You're a miserable little weasel who derives pleasure from being a *. - AllenB Grow up. - Mike Haley Now Playing: ~~Space Quest 0: Replicated~~ - ~~Space Quest I EGA: The Sarien Encounter~~ - Space Quest I VGA: The Sarien Encounter** - Space Quest II EGA: Vohaul's Revenge - Space Quest II VGA: Vohaul's Revenge - Space Quest III: The Pirates of Pestulon - Space Quest IV: Roger Wilco and the Time Rippers - Space Quest V: The Next Mutation - Space Quest VI: Roger Wilco in the Spinal Frontier - Space Quest: The Lost Chapter

08/12/2012, 05:03 pm	#540
ryannumber1gamer The Number 1 Gamer. Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,860	What if Poison Ivy took over Darkseid's mind. In Batman Hush Poison Ivy says no man o woman can resist her so that could mean she could take over Darkseid Wonder Woman,Green Lantern,Flash and all the DC villains & heroes. Even in Batman Hush she takes over Superman's mind. __________________ Somewhere deep in the Caribbean... Sam:Hey little buddy where did you get this ship? Max:I got it off some guy waving his arms around Sam:Then who is that guy over there? Max:I don't know Sam but should we make him walk the deck? Sam:Can't think of a reason not too. Games I'm Playing:,Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale,Assassin's Creed Revelations,Assassin's Creed 3,Assassin's Creed 3 Liberation,Lego Batman 2,Dead rising 2,BTTF The Game,Sly Cooper Thieves in Time.

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