Men thinking w/ their heads? Women & Choices

[KCohere]

I did save Carley because she had the gun but I wont say that there wasnt a little bit of "us girls stick together" going on, lol.

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

They did. In order of popularity, it was Clem, Duck, Mark and Larry.

Keep in mind Carley rejects the food and Lilly refuses it also (unless you're persistent). Kids are kids so... And feeding Larry makes Lilly happy.

Maybe the writers are making the appealing decisions so, but there is no instance when the majority of players don't side with the attractive woman on major decisions.

Even killing Danny St. John, Lilly says "I should kill you." She doesn't, but the majority of players do and yet spare the brother. It's interesting b/c Lilly seems a little disappointed if you did kill Danny.

Guys can list other reasons for their choices, and maybe it just coincidence, but the motives are suspect.

I'll admit have thought and continue to think about future romantic relationships with Carley or Lilly. I'd probably be kidding myself if I said it didn't influence my decisions.

Well if we have data and plenty of time between episodes might as well see if this data tells us anything. I think that episode 3 data is needed to really draw any conclusions but maybe what you're saying is generally true with some exeptions ofcourse.

The TTG poll was interesting as well. Carley (38%) was the top pick. If you exclude Lee (since Lee is you maybe) the next up is Lilly (9%). Way down at the bottom are the men (4%) and poor Kat (1%). Looks like a progression of attractiveness to me. I feel bad for Kat - who would have thought medical skills in a ZA would be so out of style.

Anyways, I saved Carley because she had a gun, our only gun, and walkers were everywhere. Now I'm nice to them, Carley and Lilly, because there could be a possible romance option in the future but for sure there will be walkers and both of these fine human beings have guns.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

Interesting title and how do you account for female players? I chose Carley, didn't kill the brothers (they were hoard food anyway), and tried to save Larry, and the only character I find attractive is Lee, except when he does his whipped puppy thing.

Let me preface my reply saying I could be completely wrong about everything.

Also, it's hard to guess motives of what women are doing without the general numbers of what women are doing.

That out of the way, here's some ideas, assuming the majority of women made the same choices of you (which is a terrible assumption on my part).

My guess would be women could make similar choices as men but for different reasons. Maybe women also have a bias for saving women so they chose Carley. In real life, women tend to be less violent so perhaps they chose to spare the brothers and try to save Larry. I don't know.

One interesting difference is choosing to save both brothers. Like I mentioned before, most players killed the first one, Danny, and maybe it had nothing to do with the choice, but Lilly wanted him dead.

Without the sex/romance factor, it's possible women left him alive, which is the more rational choice. Stabbing him in the chest just turns him into a walker and then you'll possibly have to shoot him in the head, which is really noisy.

Of course I can just be completely way off about everything.

[Red Panda]

One stat that goes against my theory is stealing from the car: Lilly clearly has reservations about it yet a majority of people steal, though it's a majority by a small margin (55%).

One explanation could be people can't make love on an empty stomach so they steal, thinking about being providers, which some women find attractive, but IDK.

[Xirsche]

I chose most of the same choices the others in this thread did: Saved Carley, didn't shoot Jolene, and tried to save Larry.

I saved Carley because she sparked me, as a person and player, as a character I would grow fond of. Not Doug, though, purely because he wasn't given the right moment and events for me. That, and having a gun and possibly being one of the instructors that helped the others learn to shoot alongside Lilly.

I didn't shoot Jolene because I saw she was trying to warn Lee of something while baring her fangs at the other guy, and was hoping for a little information on why she did what she did, and her being shot dead only fuelled my anger towards the St. Johns.

I tried to save Larry because not only am I open-minded (and not saying I'm the only one here!) to take what Larry says and still consider helping him regardless, but I don't think anyone deserves to die like he did. Kenny jumped the gun, and there was a double standard. If Larry did survive and came back under control and consciousness, then that's that. But if Larry reanimated, well...at least we would've known of his fate.

[Red Panda]

Think about this:

When it was Larry vs Kenny on killing a little boy b/c he might have been bitten, 57% sided with Larry.

When it's Kenny vs Lilly, the vast majority sides with Lilly.

A lot of guys claim humanitarian reasons, but throwing out a boy in elementary school to a horde of walkers is a much more gruesome death than dying of a heart attack or a quick blow to the head.

It's especially twisted logic when Larry has not only tried to kill Lee, but has threatened to do it again if he had the chance.

Why would a guy risk his life and his little girl's life to save a guy that has tried to kill him and would do it again, plus is a huge threat dead, and not try to save the life of a boy who is small, thin, and weak and has done nothing but been polite to you? Why the sudden change?

Yeah, you can blame him for Shawn's death, but no one would argue it was out of malice. Larry's action had nothing but malicious intent.

I think there's strong evidence suggesting men are siding with attractive women, even if it's on a subconscious level.

I think putting Katjaa in situation in which players have to choose to side with her in someway or not would really put the theory to the test, especially if it's against Lilly or Carley.

[Xirsche]

Well, from my point of view, Red Panda, it is as the situation demands. For example, on my first playthrough of both episodes in where I was completely honest all the way through, answering as *I* would were I in Lee's shoes, I didn't like Larry but I certainly didn't hate him. It takes a lot to make me hate something. Anyhow, I got to the point where me, as a former EMT medical student, impulsively tried to help Larry via chest compressions, only to find that horrid image of a salt lick collapsing Larry's cranium in. That alone made me detest Kenny. Larry I could stand because I know he's being cautious and generally in a foul mood due to the situation, but Kenny did something completely unnecessary and, to use Lee's words, "ruined two lives".

And then here's the rub: some players who were formerly pro-Kenny, because of what I had just described above, would play over the episodes again, this time going pro-Larry. It's basic psychology. They play, they find something they don't like about a character, they go back to make said character miserable knowing how he's going to act. Again, this is ALL purely what I gather, not saying what is and what isn't.

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

When it was Larry vs Kenny on killing a little boy b/c he might have been bitten, 57% sided with Larry.

This statistic is inaccurate because if you choose to reason with Larry the game counted that as siding with Larry against Kenny.

I did dislike Larry for being malicious, but I choose to save him because irregardless, I felt it was the right thing to do according to my moral compass.

[GenericMartini]

Is the main reason everyone chose Carley was because she had a gun and could shoot? I thought she had some sorta personality.

My first run: I chose Carley purely because I didn't know anything about Doug. Didn't shoot Jolene because I want my Lee to save lives rather than take them. Didn't kill Larry because of my reason for not killing Jolene.

I went in with the mindset that I don't want to kill anyone, not because I favor women. Carley was picked because TellTale really missed the ball with Doug and giving me a reason to like him(made up for it, if you save him with Episode 2) But a lot of Youtube commentators(I know shouldn't bring them up) tend to believe that helping the chick means you get to bone her, so it's not unusual to think that males are favoring the chick for the wrong reasons.

[Xirsche]

Originally Posted by GenericMartini

Is the main reason everyone chose Carley was because she had a gun and could shoot? I thought she had some sorta personality.

My first run: I chose Carley purely because I didn't know anything about Doug. Didn't shoot Jolene because I want my Lee to save lives rather than take them. Didn't kill Larry because of my reason for not killing Jolene.

I went in with the mindset that I don't want to kill anyone, not because I favor women. Carley was picked because TellTale really missed the ball with Doug and giving me a reason to like him(made up for it, if you save him with Episode 2) But a lot of Youtube commentators(I know shouldn't bring them up) tend to believe that helping the chick means you get to bone her, so it's not unusual to think that males are favoring the chick for the wrong reasons.

I agree that there's some charm to Carley. Besides being a woman, and a sharpshooting one at that, she has a likable personality...to me, at least.

[Zeruis]

Originally Posted by Xirsche

I agree that there's some charm to Carley. Besides being a woman, and a sharpshooting one at that, she has a likable personality...to me, at least.

She seems loyal to you, for the most part. I just want to see Carley/Doug have a bigger role in episode 3.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by Xirsche

Well, from my point of view, Red Panda, it is as the situation demands. For example, on my first playthrough of both episodes in where I was completely honest all the way through, answering as *I* would were I in Lee's shoes, I didn't like Larry but I certainly didn't hate him. It takes a lot to make me hate something. Anyhow, I got to the point where me, as a former EMT medical student, impulsively tried to help Larry via chest compressions, only to find that horrid image of a salt lick collapsing Larry's cranium in. That alone made me detest Kenny. Larry I could stand because I know he's being cautious and generally in a foul mood due to the situation, but Kenny did something completely unnecessary and, to use Lee's words, "ruined two lives".

And then here's the rub: some players who were formerly pro-Kenny, because of what I had just described above, would play over the episodes again, this time going pro-Larry. It's basic psychology. They play, they find something they don't like about a character, they go back to make said character miserable knowing how he's going to act. Again, this is ALL purely what I gather, not saying what is and what isn't.

I think you're point of view is perfectly valid. It makes sense and it would be arrogant and foolish of me to claim I'm right.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by GenericMartini

Is the main reason everyone chose Carley was because she had a gun and could shoot? I thought she had some sorta personality.

My first run: I chose Carley purely because I didn't know anything about Doug. Didn't shoot Jolene because I want my Lee to save lives rather than take them. Didn't kill Larry because of my reason for not killing Jolene.

I went in with the mindset that I don't want to kill anyone, not because I favor women. Carley was picked because TellTale really missed the ball with Doug and giving me a reason to like him(made up for it, if you save him with Episode 2) But a lot of Youtube commentators(I know shouldn't bring them up) tend to believe that helping the chick means you get to bone her, so it's not unusual to think that males are favoring the chick for the wrong reasons.

I didn't kill people b/c I didn't want to kill people either, though I gave the woman at the hotel the gun. Like I've been saying, I could be completely off.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

This statistic is inaccurate because if you choose to reason with Larry the game counted that as siding with Larry against Kenny.

I did dislike Larry for being malicious, but I choose to save him because irregardless, I felt it was the right thing to do according to my moral compass.

Yeah, I think that scene was a bit confusing for a lot of people. When I suggested reasoning with Larry I simply meant try to talk him down instead of fight.

[ommmnomnomnom]

my 'proper' playthrough I saved Carley because she had the gun and assumed yeah, she gets the ammo for the gun, shoots the zombies attacking her and therefore could save Doug too, how young and innocent I was back then...I shot Jolene after asking who she was

[JabbaDaHuttX7]

Kenny changed from likeable hillbilly to redneck coward in Episode 2. That jerk said he had my back when I was about to ambush one of the brothers in the shed.

I suppose he was a coward all along though. He'd abandon/sacrifice the entire group if it meant getting not only his family, but also himself to safety. ;o

[Drbg]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

One stat that goes against my theory is stealing from the car: Lilly clearly has reservations about it yet a majority of people steal, though it's a small majority (55%).

One explanation could be people can't make love on an empty stomach so they steal, thinking about being providers, which some women find attractive, but IDK.

Small majority is an oxymoron...lol.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by Drbg

Small majority is an oxymoron...lol.

haha true. A majority by a small margin

[Xirsche]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

I think you're point of view is perfectly valid. It makes sense and it would be arrogant and foolish of me to claim I'm right.

Oh, it's perfectly fine to give your own opinion. It's just the people who say stupid things like, "My opinion matters!" or "I'm right, you're wrong!". As long as you don't say anything of the sort (which I noticed you don't ), then you're gold.

Originally Posted by Red Panda

I didn't kill people b/c I didn't want to kill people either, though I gave the woman at the hotel the gun. Like I've been saying, I could be completely off.

I don't kill people unless I absolutely have to. If this were a survival sim, and there were people trying to pressure me for something, well...I'd shoot them in non-lethal places. Such as a shoulder and just above, below, or on the knees or something.

Originally Posted by Red Panda

Yeah, I think that scene was a bit confusing for a lot of people. When I suggested reasoning with Larry I simply meant try to talk him down instead of fight.

Yeah, lots of other players got the same reaction. I did, too, on my first playthrough. I've been pro-Larry and pro-Lilly since episode 2.

Originally Posted by JabbaDaHuttX7

Kenny changed from likeable hillbilly to redneck coward in Episode 2. That jerk said he had my back when I was about to ambush one of the brothers in the shed.

I suppose he was a coward all along though. He'd abandon/sacrifice the entire group if it meant getting not only his family, but also himself to safety. ;o

Yeah, I agree with you there. You mess up on one small thing with Kenny and he snaps, and leaves you for dead if he got the chance. See if I give his family any food ever again.

[Milosuperspesh]

you can argue people have short fuses like with temper tantrums, one wrong move and it all over..

imo kenny has always been pro family even in ep1 he laid it out for lee/us so if we cross him/duck/katjaa thats it..it on beetches

makes sense ?