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Xarne · 08/17/2012, 07:05 pm

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Originally Posted by chaz99

I was wondering why such a high % refused to let Irene have the gun and take her own life, knowing what was ahead for her.

Most interested in the ideas/opinions of those who refused to give her the gun, but all input welcome, as it should be.

Discuss and explain.

I wanted to save ammo, the game misunderstood me.
I'd have gladly lent her the axe

Cyreen · 08/17/2012, 08:24 pm

Suicide by ax... I don't see that going well.

Farlander · 08/17/2012, 09:12 pm

There is no compassion in letting a person commit suicide. That was my reasoning behind not giving the gun, I wanted to shot her myself. I think no person deserves to die by their own hands. Even if you're fully broke and your self-preservation instinct is gone, you still have to break yourself even further to do that. That's no way to end a life.

Sadly, there is no choice for Lee to shoot Irene himself. If you don't give her the gun, she just takes it away and, well, does it anyway. And I didn't want to do that.

Cyreen · 08/20/2012, 10:47 am

If you know that your death (and subsequent reanimation) is going to result in the death of other innocent people, unless you take your own life, is it really suicide in the conventional sense? I think a zombie apocalypse would pretty much rewrite the rules.

As for shooting or being shot, I think I'd rather do it myself when I'm ready, than have someone "jump the gun".

Eric Northman · 08/21/2012, 02:36 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaz99

I was wondering why such a high % refused to let Irene have the gun and take her own life, knowing what was ahead for her.

Most interested in the ideas/opinions of those who refused to give her the gun, but all input welcome, as it should be.

Discuss and explain.

To me in my first play through, it was a given, I gave her the gun, and I tried to console her. I know there was no chance for her, and I wanted to give her an easy way out.

AceStarr · 08/21/2012, 02:38 pm

I handed her the weapon

reason being i knew she had nothing else to do but put a bullet in her brain. why let her suffer and become a zombie.

RoboSheriff · 08/21/2012, 03:14 pm

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Originally Posted by The Real Jaybles

3)I would actually have rather used the axe I had, I mean a bullet or just quickly one chop to the neck you wouldn't feel it right?

Yea chopping humans is not as easy as lee shows us during ep 2. Besides it would be gruesome as hell you want to kill it/let it be not torture her.

Bearcules · 08/21/2012, 06:00 pm

This scene made me think of the movie The Mist. I still gave her the gun.

Rock114 · 08/21/2012, 06:16 pm

What really stinks is that we really COULD have used that bullet Irene killed herself with. If Carley had had just ONE more bullet in the drug store (the one Irene used on herself), she might have been able to shoot the zombie grabbing her ankle, while Lee went to save Doug. Then we would have had both of them with us!

But I guess someone in the group had to die, in order to forge a closer bond between Lee and the one he saved (from a writing point of view, at least). Plus I'm probably over-analyzing the whole situation.

Master of Aeons · 08/21/2012, 06:47 pm

Wow, I wish that was brought up in the game. If Lee realized the bullet needed to save Carley was used on Irene, I think he or Doug would have something to say about it.

Hudomonkey · 08/26/2012, 02:54 am

Allowing her to kill herself sends the group the wrong message
It tells everyone to give up and that there is no hope
Also guns are loud, zombies are scary, bullets are valuable and I do not kill

thestalkinghead · 08/26/2012, 03:00 am

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Originally Posted by Bearcules

This scene made me think of the movie The Mist. I still gave her the gun.

that film is an example i would use to explain why no matter what happens, i would never kill myself, however given the right circumstances (not depression) i think people have the right to take their own lives

bunnyrut · 08/26/2012, 09:34 am

During an apocalypse where the dead come back to try to eat you i think you should put the 'killing yourself is wrong' mentality to the side.

I gave her the gun without hesitation.

If I were in the situation where I knew that getting bit meant I turned into one of them and killed people I would want to die BEFORE I turned into one of them.

If you weren't bitten and just wanted to end your life because you 'didn't want to deal with it' then I would have a different reaction.

SadClown · 08/26/2012, 09:55 am

The shot would've attracted walkers. I'd be happy to axe her if that was an option.

Eric Northman · 08/26/2012, 01:19 pm

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Originally Posted by SadClown

The shot would've attracted walkers. I'd be happy to axe her if that was an option.

"Well, I won't let you shoot yourself, but I'll chop your head off with my axe.." Not the most compassionate way to go.

Master of Aeons · 08/26/2012, 01:22 pm

"Sorry, I won't let you shoot yourself, but I can give you this lovely toothpick to kill yourself with. Good luck sorting out the details."

Eric Northman · 08/26/2012, 01:27 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master of Aeons

"Sorry, I won't let you shoot yourself, but I can give you this lovely toothpick to kill yourself with. Good luck sorting out the details."

"Sorry I won't let you shoot yourself, but I will punch you directly in the face, it may take a few tries, but once I get the right angle, the broken shards of your nose should be shoved up into your brain and kill you."

Cyreen · 08/26/2012, 02:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Eric Northman

"Sorry I won't let you shoot yourself, but I will punch you directly in the face, it may take a few tries, but once I get the right angle, the broken shards of your nose should be shoved up into your brain and kill you."

I believe the key word was "compassion", as in a desire to elevate distress, not inflict it.

Hudomonkey · 01/15/2013, 11:24 am

My choices changed as the story went on but early on we don't know how bites really work and it isn't a guaranteed suffering death like later ones...

I wouldn't kill her then but maybe I would now...

distortion · 01/15/2013, 12:49 pm

I didn't let her have the gun because I tried to play it how I would react if it all of a sudden started up. I wouldn't know that there isn't a cure. Hell, I barely even knew that a bite makes you turn. I also wouldn't be desensitized to killing to way the characters are in later episodes. Everything is still fresh, and stunning, and difficult. It's not so simple to say "it's putting her out of her misery" because I still fear death as a person in a normal world would, not seeing death as a relief to misery.

08/17/2012, 09:12 pm	#43
Farlander Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,179	There is no compassion in letting a person commit suicide. That was my reasoning behind not giving the gun, I wanted to shot her myself. I think no person deserves to die by their own hands. Even if you're fully broke and your self-preservation instinct is gone, you still have to break yourself even further to do that. That's no way to end a life. Sadly, there is no choice for Lee to shoot Irene himself. If you don't give her the gun, she just takes it away and, well, does it anyway. And I didn't want to do that. __________________ Personal Portfolio Site

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08/17/2012, 08:24 pm	#42
Cyreen In base four! I'm fine! Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,339	Suicide by ax... I don't see that going well.

08/20/2012, 10:47 am	#44
Cyreen In base four! I'm fine! Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,339	If you know that your death (and subsequent reanimation) is going to result in the death of other innocent people, unless you take your own life, is it really suicide in the conventional sense? I think a zombie apocalypse would pretty much rewrite the rules. As for shooting or being shot, I think I'd rather do it myself when I'm ready, than have someone "jump the gun".

08/21/2012, 02:38 pm	#46
AceStarr Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 310	I handed her the weapon reason being i knew she had nothing else to do but put a bullet in her brain. why let her suffer and become a zombie.

08/21/2012, 06:00 pm	#48
Bearcules Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 119	This scene made me think of the movie The Mist. I still gave her the gun.

08/21/2012, 06:16 pm	#49
Rock114 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: U.S. of A. Posts: 1,710	What really stinks is that we really COULD have used that bullet Irene killed herself with. If Carley had had just ONE more bullet in the drug store (the one Irene used on herself), she might have been able to shoot the zombie grabbing her ankle, while Lee went to save Doug. Then we would have had both of them with us! But I guess someone in the group had to die, in order to forge a closer bond between Lee and the one he saved (from a writing point of view, at least). Plus I'm probably over-analyzing the whole situation.

08/21/2012, 06:47 pm	#50
Master of Aeons Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,684	Wow, I wish that was brought up in the game. If Lee realized the bullet needed to save Carley was used on Irene, I think he or Doug would have something to say about it.

08/26/2012, 02:54 am	#51
Hudomonkey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 491	Allowing her to kill herself sends the group the wrong message It tells everyone to give up and that there is no hope Also guns are loud, zombies are scary, bullets are valuable and I do not kill

08/26/2012, 09:34 am	#53
bunnyrut Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4	During an apocalypse where the dead come back to try to eat you i think you should put the 'killing yourself is wrong' mentality to the side. I gave her the gun without hesitation. If I were in the situation where I knew that getting bit meant I turned into one of them and killed people I would want to die BEFORE I turned into one of them. If you weren't bitten and just wanted to end your life because you 'didn't want to deal with it' then I would have a different reaction.

08/26/2012, 09:55 am	#54
SadClown Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 24	The shot would've attracted walkers. I'd be happy to axe her if that was an option.

08/26/2012, 01:22 pm	#56
Master of Aeons Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,684	"Sorry, I won't let you shoot yourself, but I can give you this lovely toothpick to kill yourself with. Good luck sorting out the details."

01/15/2013, 11:24 am	#59
Hudomonkey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 491	My choices changed as the story went on but early on we don't know how bites really work and it isn't a guaranteed suffering death like later ones... I wouldn't kill her then but maybe I would now...

01/15/2013, 12:49 pm	#60
distortion Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	I didn't let her have the gun because I tried to play it how I would react if it all of a sudden started up. I wouldn't know that there isn't a cure. Hell, I barely even knew that a bite makes you turn. I also wouldn't be desensitized to killing to way the characters are in later episodes. Everything is still fresh, and stunning, and difficult. It's not so simple to say "it's putting her out of her misery" because I still fear death as a person in a normal world would, not seeing death as a relief to misery.