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LadyJ · 08/31/2012, 04:51 pm

I vote that Ben should be killed or at least should have been left behind. His actions caused the bandits to attack.

I commend Lilly for taking the bandits out and that to me minimized the impact of her shooting Carly. She is the one that got them out of the hotel in the first place.

Lee sort of threatens Ben to keep his mouth shut but I can see that not happening and Kenny going apeshit and killing him.

skepticalguy90 · 08/31/2012, 05:34 pm

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Originally Posted by LadyJ

I vote that Ben should be killed or at least should have been left behind. His actions caused the bandits to attack.

I commend Lilly for taking the bandits out and that to me minimized the impact of her shooting Carly. She is the one that got them out of the hotel in the first place.

Lee sort of threatens Ben to keep his mouth shut but I can see that not happening and Kenny going apeshit and killing him.

My Lee managed to kill about 5 of those bandits. I don't give Lily credit for killing 1 bandit, especially after she blew Carley away.

CapnJay · 08/31/2012, 06:01 pm

Ben is going to die. Larry invoked hate in episode 1 [as did duck though not from me] then Larry died in episode 2 Kenny invoked hate in episode 2 and lost his whole family in episode 3. The only way Ben is going to survive episode 4 is he undergoes something horribly traumatic and since he has no family ties or people he really cares about. Death seems imminent.

WD40 · 08/31/2012, 06:08 pm

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Originally Posted by CapnJay

Ben is going to die. Larry invoked hate in episode 1 [as did duck though not from me] then Larry died in episode 2 Kenny invoked hate in episode 2 and lost his whole family in episode 3. The only way Ben is going to survive episode 4 is he undergoes something horribly traumatic and since he has no family ties or people he really cares about. Death seems imminent.

I feel that the whole 'character receives fan hate/they try to redeem character/they kill off character right after' shtick is getting overplayed. If they do kill off Ben, they better not have him be heroic, or at least be better in the eyes of the player first. Because they've done this every time so far. Just leave it as is. Let the fact that he's just a kid be enough reason for not wanting him to die. I for one don't want him to die, even if I don't like him.

CapnJay · 08/31/2012, 06:13 pm

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Originally Posted by WD40

I feel that the whole 'character receives fan hate/they try to redeem character/they kill off character right after' shtick is getting overplayed. If they do kill off Ben, they better not have him be heroic, or at least be better in the eyes of the player first. Because they've done this every time so far. Just leave it as is. Let the fact that he's just a kid be enough reason for not wanting him to die. I for one don't want him to die, even if I don't like him.

And he ate the last of the Candy.

Master of Aeons · 08/31/2012, 06:14 pm

Ben isn't a heroic character. He's a coward. While everyone has done something unexpected, they've stayed in character. Ben isn't likely to redeem himself.

Suijen · 08/31/2012, 06:41 pm

I disagree with what the majority is saying also.

What Ben did was foolish and naive, but it was well-intentioned. The bandits claimed that they had a friend, and he knew that as long as the bandits (with superior firepower mind you) were pissed, they will keep attacking, and we can't really expect the group to hold off forever. He gave a few critical supplies to stall the bandits, and it worked; Lee states that the bandits suddenly stopped attacking. I think we know why. He regrets his actions, but I'm only disappointed that he didn't discuss with the group first. If it were up to me, I'd bribe the bandits a bit before blazing out of there in the middle of the night.

I do not blame him for Carley's death nor for Lilly's idiocy. No, I blame LILLY for her stupidity. Yeah she's damn good with a gun and is incredibly useful, but who gave her the right to be judge, jury, and executioner? She not only shot the wrong person, she shot the person for the wrong reason; being called out as a psycho bitch is no reason for shooting someone in cold blood, and shooting Carley or Doug isn't really going to make our supplies magically come back. Lilly wasn't even sorry that she killed a member of the group.

It's people like her that are a danger to the group. Ben's only as guilty as Duck would be.

SonnyN18 · 08/31/2012, 07:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Galdis

If Ben hadn't given the bandits supplies they would have attacked and/or demanded tribute anyway.

You can actually talk down the bandits but Lilly shoots the leader, starting the attack.

It's Lilly's fault, not Ben's.

Are you fucking my ass right now? How come he didn't tell us shit and let us take care of it or leave the motel. Oh but I think it's ok that Lilly not shooting them when they have our people and take all our meds is totally fine.

bazenji · 08/31/2012, 10:54 pm

Lilly knew the bandits would attack again and she refused to leave. Most of the people there were willing to leave as long as they had a plan.

Considering Lilly shot Carley in the face for sassing her, I can understand why Ben was a little hesitant to 1) confess he did it and 2) discuss it with the group.

In short, Lilly's insane and Ben didn't want her shooting everyone in the face.

Bearcules · 08/31/2012, 11:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Xarne

really? I consider him the dead-weight guy. Not a kid that needs protecting but not an adult that can hold his own, and after ep 3 being alive is his last remaining good quality

Ben is still a kid. His responsibilities pre-apoc were grades and school sports. He is scared but he has redeeming qualities. When you first meet Ben and the others, he cares more about the well being of his teacher than his own safety. When he gives the bandits supplies it's out of poor judgement. He tends to be a burden on the group because of his youth and judgement but I don't wish the kid dead any more than Clementine.

Edit: I have a hard time believing 99% of the people criticizing Ben would have shown fortitude in the same situation.

darham175 · 08/31/2012, 11:59 pm

As some famous dead guy who I'm too lazy to google said. United we stand, divided we fall. By not bothering to consult with the group Ben divided us and we ALL see how well that went.

Milosuperspesh · 09/01/2012, 02:45 pm

https://www.facebook.com/#!/SaveCarley

Wrighty · 09/01/2012, 02:59 pm

I'm not angry at Ben. He's just a stupid scared kid, not a bad person. The bandits would have attacked if there was no deal away, maybe all he did was delay the inevitable. I seriously hate Lilly for freaking out and killing Carley for no good reason. She should have known paranoia gets us nowhere!

SteveTheBlocks · 09/01/2012, 03:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Wrighty

I'm not angry at Ben. He's just a stupid scared kid, not a bad person. The bandits would have attacked if there was no deal away, maybe all he did was delay the inevitable. I seriously hate Lilly for freaking out and killing Carley for no good reason. She should have known paranoia gets us nowhere!

Yeah, i know people are over-reacting about Carley's death.
If anything we should blame Lilly, She didn't wanna leave the motel, she knew the bandits were attacking, if we left sooner, no one would've died, Katjaa wouldn't have killed herself, Duck wouldn't have been bitten, Ben wouldn't have been responsible for their deaths, and Doug or Carley wouldn't have died.

We all wanted to kill Duck first, then we just felt bad for him at the end, Then we wanted to kill Larry, most of us decided to save him, and now we want to kill Ben? It's seriously not his fault.

Grimez · 09/01/2012, 03:40 pm

Yes, he will pay for Carley's death.

Zeruis · 09/01/2012, 03:49 pm

Did anybody honestly think that Ben was going to confess right before Kenny hit that walker with the RV?

Joshua1991 · 09/01/2012, 04:40 pm

Did you suspected Ben earlier in the episode when he was all panicky when Lee asked him about the broken flashlight?

Grimez · 09/01/2012, 04:41 pm

Nope.

ashesandwine · 09/01/2012, 04:41 pm

I actually thought it was Carley because she was coming onto me O.o

Rock114 · 09/01/2012, 04:41 pm

Before that, actually. I watched the trailer where Lilly says that someone has been taking things, and I have no idea why, but as soon as I saw Ben on watch I said to myself "Yup, it's him alright."

08/31/2012, 06:01 pm	#83
CapnJay The Consumate Consumer Join Date: May 2012 Location: Red Dwarf Posts: 2,451	Ben is going to die. Larry invoked hate in episode 1 [as did duck though not from me] then Larry died in episode 2 Kenny invoked hate in episode 2 and lost his whole family in episode 3. The only way Ben is going to survive episode 4 is he undergoes something horribly traumatic and since he has no family ties or people he really cares about. Death seems imminent. __________________ http://i47.tinypic.com/2qds5si.gif >-O_###K.I.Q.C.S###_O-< I am Sir Jay of RedBull Head Scribe and Knight charged with Protecting the Queen,Penning tales for the Queen , Keeping Milo from going further insane,Keeping an Eye on the K.O.P. Mentored by Tom Lehrer's Ghost

09/01/2012, 02:45 pm	#92
Milosuperspesh V3.0 The shining Join Date: May 2011 Location: Wai soh Sirius ? Posts: 3,173	https://www.facebook.com/#!/SaveCarley __________________ https://www.facebook.com/pages/KIQCS/311661538927832 I am Sir Milo of Smeg https://www.facebook.com/#!/SaveCarley My soul tastes like butterscotch pudding Mentored by Mr flibble Sorry the aloe vera ran out for those burns.

09/01/2012, 04:40 pm	#97
Joshua1991 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 107	[SPOILERS]Ben's character and deeds Did you suspected Ben earlier in the episode when he was all panicky when Lee asked him about the broken flashlight?

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08/31/2012, 04:51 pm	#81
LadyJ Resident Pragmatist Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 184	I vote that Ben should be killed or at least should have been left behind. His actions caused the bandits to attack. I commend Lilly for taking the bandits out and that to me minimized the impact of her shooting Carly. She is the one that got them out of the hotel in the first place. Lee sort of threatens Ben to keep his mouth shut but I can see that not happening and Kenny going apeshit and killing him.

08/31/2012, 06:14 pm	#86
Master of Aeons Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,685	Ben isn't a heroic character. He's a coward. While everyone has done something unexpected, they've stayed in character. Ben isn't likely to redeem himself.

08/31/2012, 06:41 pm	#87
Suijen Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1	I disagree with what the majority is saying also. What Ben did was foolish and naive, but it was well-intentioned. The bandits claimed that they had a friend, and he knew that as long as the bandits (with superior firepower mind you) were pissed, they will keep attacking, and we can't really expect the group to hold off forever. He gave a few critical supplies to stall the bandits, and it worked; Lee states that the bandits suddenly stopped attacking. I think we know why. He regrets his actions, but I'm only disappointed that he didn't discuss with the group first. If it were up to me, I'd bribe the bandits a bit before blazing out of there in the middle of the night. I do not blame him for Carley's death nor for Lilly's idiocy. No, I blame LILLY for her stupidity. Yeah she's damn good with a gun and is incredibly useful, but who gave her the right to be judge, jury, and executioner? She not only shot the wrong person, she shot the person for the wrong reason; being called out as a psycho bitch is no reason for shooting someone in cold blood, and shooting Carley or Doug isn't really going to make our supplies magically come back. Lilly wasn't even sorry that she killed a member of the group. It's people like her that are a danger to the group. Ben's only as guilty as Duck would be.

08/31/2012, 10:54 pm	#89
bazenji Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 116	Lilly knew the bandits would attack again and she refused to leave. Most of the people there were willing to leave as long as they had a plan. Considering Lilly shot Carley in the face for sassing her, I can understand why Ben was a little hesitant to 1) confess he did it and 2) discuss it with the group. In short, Lilly's insane and Ben didn't want her shooting everyone in the face.

08/31/2012, 11:59 pm	#91
darham175 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 69	As some famous dead guy who I'm too lazy to google said. United we stand, divided we fall. By not bothering to consult with the group Ben divided us and we ALL see how well that went.

09/01/2012, 02:59 pm	#93
Wrighty Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 432	I'm not angry at Ben. He's just a stupid scared kid, not a bad person. The bandits would have attacked if there was no deal away, maybe all he did was delay the inevitable. I seriously hate Lilly for freaking out and killing Carley for no good reason. She should have known paranoia gets us nowhere!

09/01/2012, 03:40 pm	#95
Grimez Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 32	Yes, he will pay for Carley's death.

09/01/2012, 03:49 pm	#96
Zeruis Mundy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,946	Did anybody honestly think that Ben was going to confess right before Kenny hit that walker with the RV?

09/01/2012, 04:41 pm	#98
Grimez Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 32	Nope.

09/01/2012, 04:41 pm	#99
ashesandwine Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 18	I actually thought it was Carley because she was coming onto me O.o

09/01/2012, 04:41 pm	#100
Rock114 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: U.S. of A. Posts: 1,712	Before that, actually. I watched the trailer where Lilly says that someone has been taking things, and I have no idea why, but as soon as I saw Ben on watch I said to myself "Yup, it's him alright."