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YamiRaziel · 09/02/2012, 04:24 am

It would be cool if she makes a cameo in the final episode only in the stories of those players who have chosen to run away with her

Of course that won't happen probably, but still...

chaz99 · 09/02/2012, 05:28 am

I never considered Lilly leader material. She played favorites with her dad and a true leader eschews favoritism.

As far as her "military" experience goes...

She's a clerk, for Pete's sake. The dialogue in the game makes her out to be some kind of Green Beret badass.

Pfffft.

YamiRaziel · 09/02/2012, 05:35 am

When does she play favourites? When rationing the food? As far as I remember she played a lottery to determine who's getting food. If anyone was played favourites it was Lee and Kenny.

chaz99 · 09/02/2012, 05:38 am

She sides with her dad on every issue, even when he's being foully abusive and completely out of line.

When it's called into question she says "he's been through so much, he's lost everything except me..."

Who the F**K hasn't? Every member in the group has lost loved ones- do any of them expect a pass for bad behaviour on that count? I think not.

YamiRaziel · 09/02/2012, 05:42 am

That's not exactly true. He's the one that's siding with her. Plus she even admits that he can be a little tough but doesn't mean ill.
She takes the position she believes is right. She tries to keep the entire group save.
Does Kenny do that? No
Even Lee shows more favouritism than her. Choosing Doug/Carley, choosing the people to feed... etc.

chaz99 · 09/02/2012, 05:49 am

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Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

. She tries to keep the entire group save.

What about Larry trying to kill Lee? He gets a pass for that, and right on the heels of Larry threatening Lee yet again Lilly tells Lee "we're lucky to have you.."

Inconsistency is not what I look for in leadership.

YamiRaziel · 09/02/2012, 05:55 am

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Originally Posted by chaz99

What about Larry trying to kill Lee? He gets a pass for that, and right on the heels of Larry threatening Lee yet again Lilly tells Lee "we're lucky to have you.."

Inconsistency is not what I look for in leadership.

Am, why do you think she knows about that? Do you think that Larry will go and tell her "Am, sweety, I just tried to kill the man that saved me because he's a convicted murderer and might harm you"
So you're calling her inconsistent and playing favouritism for something she doesn't know and hasn't done? I'm sorry, mate, but your arguments do not ring true to me.

Rock114 · 09/02/2012, 06:33 am

In ep 1 it did seem like she always went along with her dad instead of the other way around. Ep2 as well, to an extent. I was excited about seeing her unburdoned by her father in ep3, then again I said the same thing about Kenny and his family. Maybe I should stop wishing for things.

chaz99 · 09/02/2012, 07:28 am

Even before Larry died she was becoming unglued; and in the sequence dealing with the rations, she clearly has a martyr complex.

And her final act as "leader" she murders a member of the group and (if you choose to keep her with the group) abandons the group when the consequences are apparently clear. Not very impressive leadership skills, if you ask me or anyone else with any understanding of leadership.

I understand the structure of the game, but she doesn't undertake any of the key missions (like helping Glenn, gathering supplies or checking out the dairy with Lee). A real leader leads from the front, not from the lawn chair on top of the Winnebago.

YamiRaziel · 09/02/2012, 07:42 am

She's protecting the group from the traitor... If Carley explained it wasn't her and it must have obviously been Ben since there was nobody else, she would be alive and the traitor gone. Instead she started attacking Lilly back and well, we know how that ended.

Lee's the muscle type of leader that runs around and goes hunting. There needs to be somebody who keeps some sort of order in the group and as well as that protect that kids. If you've saved Doug there will be nobody to defend the camp except for Lilly.

I think you're expecting more of her than anyone can deliver...
That group was bound to fall apart the moment that salt-lick smashed Larry's head.

Edit: What sun sign do you think Lilly is?

I would say she's a Taurus - gentle and tender at one moment and devastatingly furious and headstrong at other. She has the need to see everything working perfectly as a true Taurus and has a latent liking for leadership.

plaqueconspiracy · 09/03/2012, 05:20 am

I think she killed Carley because Carley never recognized Lily as the leader of the group. Carley and Glenn saved Lee even though Lily and Larry forbid them to. When Kenny were giving out orders for the first time Carley responds "got it, boss" and Lily looks at her mean mugging. Larry definitely didn't like her so they probably talked a lot of shit about her in private. If you help Larry maybe she gets feelings for Lee and becomes jealous pf Carley on top of that (or a least since she doesn't like Carley is trying to protect Lee from a manufactured threats). Lily snapped when Carley expressed her opinion and killed her in cold blood. She is way in the wrong and murdered an innocent woman. It doesn't matter if you feel sorry for Lily because of what happened (which is very sad and unfortunate) she has lost her mind and was not to be trusted. She was a big danger to the group and who knows what she would do if they let her stay in the group? Who she would think did what and who she thinks is her enemy and not to be trusted. She went over the line and is a lost cause.

plaqueconspiracy · 09/03/2012, 05:21 am

Delusional people with a real troubled past and strong opinions. Zombies aren't shit compared to that.

Xarne · 09/03/2012, 05:38 am

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Originally Posted by plaqueconspiracy

Lily snapped when Carley expressed her opinion and killed her in cold blood. She is way in the wrong and murdered an innocent woman.

Carley's death (as opposed to Doug's) was so intentional on Lily's part that it makes me think this Ep was rushed. There had to be more than just *that* exchange between them to cause that, maybe something else that happened at the motel or maybe during the bandits was cut or didnt make it into production?
Either way, Lily was prepared to murder someone that night.

Also, we have to remember that while Ep 3 took 2 mos for us to play, Larry died only days ago (if that) when Ep 3 begins. The pain of Larry's death and his killers walking around right in front of her is a memory for us but for her it was like yesterday.

Vold · 09/03/2012, 05:38 am

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Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Even Lee shows more favouritism than her. Choosing Doug/Carley, choosing the people to feed... etc.

Uhh, that's the player, not Lee...

anything bad u see comes from Lee, is really from the player, he has no say into it...

When I play, I gave every "faction" food, where's the favoritism there?
I gave the kids, Kenny & Larry.

Carley declined, sorry Mark & Ben. This is an initiation for Ben, lol

As for Doug or Carley, hardly favoritism as he/the player want to save both & went on instinct...

QuarterPounderVlad · 09/03/2012, 05:41 am

She stole the RV. What if a herd of zombies came and the train couldn't start?
Game = Over.

rachellouise85 · 09/03/2012, 05:45 am

I don't think she was thinking and planning to kill carley (haven't seen the one with doug). Looks like she just saw red, and she had a gun. To me she looks shocked/stunned after doing it herself.

YamiRaziel · 09/03/2012, 05:50 am

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Originally Posted by Vold

Uhh, that's the player, not Lee...

anything bad u see comes from Lee, is really from the player, he has no say into it...

When I play, I gave every "faction" food, where's the favoritism there?
I gave the kids, Kenny & Larry.

Carley declined, sorry Mark & Ben. This is an initiation for Ben, lol

As for Doug or Carley, hardly favoritism as he/the player want to save both & went on instinct...

Lee is the player and yes it is still a sort of favouritism. Did you flip a coin as to who to feed? I bet you didn't. Plus you still saved the one person that you felt closer to you. It is still a favouritism, no matter how latent it is.
Saying that Lilly shows favouritism towards her dad is ridiculous. It's the same as saying that Kenny would feed his kid and wife instead of Larry.
Plus remember the famous Lilly lottery? She let's chance determine who's going to eat.. and that's fair... as Harvey Dent says in the Dark Knight movie "The world is cruel. And the only morality in a cruel world is chance. Unbiased. Unprejudiced. Fair!"

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Originally Posted by rachellouise85

I don't think she was thinking and planning to kill carley (haven't seen the one with doug). Looks like she just saw red, and she had a gun. To me she looks shocked/stunned after doing it herself.

She snapped, there's no question about it. That's the reason why I think she doesn't let you run away with her. She realizes she's become too dangerous and unpredictable and since my Lee's the only person that has always supported her besides her father I don't think she would want to risk his life.

Xarne · 09/03/2012, 05:52 am

it wasnt like Ben was behind Carley, they were shoulder to shoulder, there's 0 doubt who her target and what her intention was. I mean, you dont accidentally shoot someone in the face from 18" away

YamiRaziel · 09/03/2012, 05:55 am

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Originally Posted by Xarne

it wasnt like Ben was behind Carley, they were shoulder to shoulder, there's 0 doubt who her target and what her intention was. I mean, you dont accidentally shoot someone in the face from 18" away

I think what rachellouise85 meant to say was that she hasn't been planning on killing Carley as some people try to make it

rachellouise85 · 09/03/2012, 05:56 am

said she went out with the intention of killing someone. I'm saying that is not true. There is a difference between seeing red and doing something in a moment of anger, and planning and having the intention to kill someone.

09/02/2012, 05:38 am	#44
chaz99 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 145	She sides with her dad on every issue, even when he's being foully abusive and completely out of line. When it's called into question she says "he's been through so much, he's lost everything except me..." Who the F*K hasn't? Every member in the group has lost loved ones- do any of them expect a pass for bad behaviour on that count? I think not. Last edited by chaz99; 09/02/2012 at 05:40 am.*

09/02/2012, 07:28 am	#49
chaz99 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 145	Even before Larry died she was becoming unglued; and in the sequence dealing with the rations, she clearly has a martyr complex. And her final act as "leader" she murders a member of the group and (if you choose to keep her with the group) abandons the group when the consequences are apparently clear. Not very impressive leadership skills, if you ask me or anyone else with any understanding of leadership. I understand the structure of the game, but she doesn't undertake any of the key missions (like helping Glenn, gathering supplies or checking out the dairy with Lee). A real leader leads from the front, not from the lawn chair on top of the Winnebago. Last edited by chaz99; 09/02/2012 at 07:34 am.

09/02/2012, 07:42 am	#50
YamiRaziel Lilly Fan #1 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Woodbury Posts: 774	She's protecting the group from the traitor... If Carley explained it wasn't her and it must have obviously been Ben since there was nobody else, she would be alive and the traitor gone. Instead she started attacking Lilly back and well, we know how that ended. Lee's the muscle type of leader that runs around and goes hunting. There needs to be somebody who keeps some sort of order in the group and as well as that protect that kids. If you've saved Doug there will be nobody to defend the camp except for Lilly. I think you're expecting more of her than anyone can deliver... That group was bound to fall apart the moment that salt-lick smashed Larry's head. Edit: What sun sign do you think Lilly is? I would say she's a Taurus - gentle and tender at one moment and devastatingly furious and headstrong at other. She has the need to see everything working perfectly as a true Taurus and has a latent liking for leadership. Last edited by YamiRaziel; 09/02/2012 at 01:44 pm.

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09/02/2012, 04:24 am	#41
YamiRaziel Lilly Fan #1 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Woodbury Posts: 774	It would be cool if she makes a cameo in the final episode only in the stories of those players who have chosen to run away with her Of course that won't happen probably, but still...

09/02/2012, 05:28 am	#42
chaz99 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 145	I never considered Lilly leader material. She played favorites with her dad and a true leader eschews favoritism. As far as her "military" experience goes... She's a clerk, for Pete's sake. The dialogue in the game makes her out to be some kind of Green Beret badass. Pfffft.

09/02/2012, 05:35 am	#43
YamiRaziel Lilly Fan #1 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Woodbury Posts: 774	When does she play favourites? When rationing the food? As far as I remember she played a lottery to determine who's getting food. If anyone was played favourites it was Lee and Kenny.

09/02/2012, 05:42 am	#45
YamiRaziel Lilly Fan #1 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Woodbury Posts: 774	That's not exactly true. He's the one that's siding with her. Plus she even admits that he can be a little tough but doesn't mean ill. She takes the position she believes is right. She tries to keep the entire group save. Does Kenny do that? No Even Lee shows more favouritism than her. Choosing Doug/Carley, choosing the people to feed... etc.

09/02/2012, 06:33 am	#48
Rock114 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: U.S. of A. Posts: 1,703	In ep 1 it did seem like she always went along with her dad instead of the other way around. Ep2 as well, to an extent. I was excited about seeing her unburdoned by her father in ep3, then again I said the same thing about Kenny and his family. Maybe I should stop wishing for things.

09/03/2012, 05:20 am	#51
plaqueconspiracy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 277	I think she killed Carley because Carley never recognized Lily as the leader of the group. Carley and Glenn saved Lee even though Lily and Larry forbid them to. When Kenny were giving out orders for the first time Carley responds "got it, boss" and Lily looks at her mean mugging. Larry definitely didn't like her so they probably talked a lot of shit about her in private. If you help Larry maybe she gets feelings for Lee and becomes jealous pf Carley on top of that (or a least since she doesn't like Carley is trying to protect Lee from a manufactured threats). Lily snapped when Carley expressed her opinion and killed her in cold blood. She is way in the wrong and murdered an innocent woman. It doesn't matter if you feel sorry for Lily because of what happened (which is very sad and unfortunate) she has lost her mind and was not to be trusted. She was a big danger to the group and who knows what she would do if they let her stay in the group? Who she would think did what and who she thinks is her enemy and not to be trusted. She went over the line and is a lost cause.

09/03/2012, 05:21 am	#52
plaqueconspiracy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 277	Delusional people with a real troubled past and strong opinions. Zombies aren't shit compared to that.

09/03/2012, 05:41 am	#55
QuarterPounderVlad Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 586	She stole the RV. What if a herd of zombies came and the train couldn't start? Game = Over.

09/03/2012, 05:45 am	#56
rachellouise85 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: England Posts: 334	I don't think she was thinking and planning to kill carley (haven't seen the one with doug). Looks like she just saw red, and she had a gun. To me she looks shocked/stunned after doing it herself.

09/03/2012, 05:52 am	#58
Xarne Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: A forest, riddled with Meth Posts: 860	it wasnt like Ben was behind Carley, they were shoulder to shoulder, there's 0 doubt who her target and what her intention was. I mean, you dont accidentally shoot someone in the face from 18" away

09/03/2012, 05:56 am	#60
rachellouise85 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: England Posts: 334	said she went out with the intention of killing someone. I'm saying that is not true. There is a difference between seeing red and doing something in a moment of anger, and planning and having the intention to kill someone.