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Orenishii · 09/02/2012, 08:23 am

I hope that she will come back, she was one of my favorite characters including Lee and Clem. Carley's and Lee's relationship was really becoming interesting, I always knew something would hit off between them, well sorta. It's a shame she died. Dislike Telltale!

ZombieGoBoom · 09/02/2012, 08:31 am

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Originally Posted by Orenishii

I hope that she will come back, she was one of my favorite characters including Lee and Clem. Carley's and Lee's relationship was really becoming interesting, I always knew something would hit off between them, well sorta. It's a shame she died. Dislike Telltale!

Again, I would love to have Carley back but I can't see that happening. If she wasn't so violently jerked away from us, we might not be so upset. Not even a chance to say goodbye. At best perhaps TTG will do something to smooth things over about her death. If her memories are merely discarded like yesterday's paper in the last two episodes, it won't help.

coryay113 · 09/02/2012, 08:39 am

Carley died yes but so did duck so i consider it a fair trade off.

Freeze · 09/02/2012, 08:39 am

Carley was my favorite but it's impossible for her to come back. Even if she survived she's like 100+ miles away from Lee and the gang. I think we"ll see her in a dream sequence where we"ll finally find out what really went down with the Senator and his wife. Someone else also posted that Lee could find a letter in his back pocket from Carley which could be like some sort of confession or "watch your back" thing as well depending on the relationship.

DreadMagus · 09/02/2012, 09:26 am

As much as I'd like her back, with only two episodes left, I don't see how it could even be possible.

Of course, they never checked on her to see if she was alive or dead.... and there is another season coming....

Freeze · 09/02/2012, 09:48 am

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Originally Posted by DreadMagus

As much as I'd like her back, with only two episodes left, I don't see how it could even be possible.

Of course, they never checked on her to see if she was alive or dead.... and there is another season coming....

That'd be interesting , If Carley finds a new group and they join Lee in Season 2 we wouldn't have any trust issues accepting a new group.

Seath · 09/02/2012, 10:01 am

How Lee handled Carleys Death was really sloppy written in my opinion.
There was no time for a burial? Because what? Walkers?

He should have carried her into the RV, you just dont let somebody lying on the side on the street, especially sb who you liked. He should have hoped that she somehow survived the shot. (Remember Carl in the Comics? Yup sb. blew half of his face off) Heck, I would have been happy if he could just shed a tear.

I mean there was so much potential on how to handle the loss of a dear groupmember. Not just let him lay on the side of a road and devote him 2 speech lines. (Ben and Katjaa).

I kinda got that feeling that her death wasn't planned, but got changed mid development, because they couldnt keep up with the deadlines.

Grimez · 09/02/2012, 10:06 am

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Originally Posted by divisionten

Carley/Doug WILL die. The other stuff people have been complaining about? Apparently there are other alternatives. Nobody's found them yet, far as I've seen.

alternatives for what situations?

Cyreen · 09/02/2012, 10:08 am

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Originally Posted by Seath

He should have carried her into the RV

A dead body and two little kids in a RV? Yeah, that's not twisted. The appropriate response to Carley's death at the time was anger, which Lee did quite well and I didn't see a shovel in his inventory and then the situation was rapidly followed up with a bite victim. There's nothing wrong with feeding the critters, but the walkers don't eat dead meat.

Grimez · 09/02/2012, 10:10 am

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Originally Posted by Cyreen

A dead body and two little kids in a RV? Yeah, that's not twisted. The appropriate response to Carley's death at the time was anger, which Lee did quite well and I didn't see a shovel in his inventory and then the situation was rapidly followed up with a bite victim. There's nothing wrong with feeding the critters, but the walkers don't eat dead meat.

as if the kids haven't seen hundreds of dead bodies at this point. (walkers and people)

Cyreen · 09/02/2012, 10:15 am

No, they haven't seen anyone die like that before. Walkers aren't people.

Grimez · 09/02/2012, 10:20 am

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Originally Posted by Cyreen

No, they haven't seen anyone die like that before. Walkers aren't people.

The St. John Brothers, Larry, The bandits, etc. They saw all of those, and most of those were worse than a simple bullet wound.

DreadMagus · 09/02/2012, 10:23 am

You do make a good counterpoint....

Cyreen · 09/02/2012, 10:24 am

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Originally Posted by Grimez

The St. John Brothers, Larry, The bandits, etc. They saw all of those, and most of those were worse than a simple bullet wound.

That's your game, not mine. Obviously you were less concerned about the kids to begin with, so hauling around a corpse wouldn't be a stretch. The bandits are not "hundreds" of dead bodies and Clem and Duck were hiding and didn't actually "see" most of that.

Grimez · 09/02/2012, 10:25 am

Touche, when I said hundreds I was including walkers. Bandits would probably be somewhere from 10 - 50.

CrazyGamerzPC · 09/02/2012, 10:31 am

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Originally Posted by Cyreen

A dead body and two little kids in a RV? Yeah, that's not twisted. The appropriate response to Carley's death at the time was anger, which Lee did quite well and I didn't see a shovel in his inventory and then the situation was rapidly followed up with a bite victim. There's nothing wrong with feeding the critters, but the walkers don't eat dead meat.

The kids thing is not an acceptable excuse, nobody knew about any bite victim yet either. He didn't even bother checking her pulse or even looking at her. Kenny just stepped over her and didn't look either. Ben didn't even do a closer inspection, just looked at Carley and thats it....
He should of just took her in the RV for closer inspection and a funeral. If you choose to take Lily with you, you don't see any walkers in the backround, you just get a cutscene of Carley and the dead walkers body so theres no rush of walkers coming for ya which leads me to this quote....

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Originally Posted by Seath

How Lee handled Carleys Death was really sloppy
I kinda got that feeling that her death wasn't planned, but got changed mid development, because they couldnt keep up with the deadlines.

I got this feeling too. Disappointed TTG, disappointed. It was there because of budget issues, but I'd prefer for Chuck or Christa or that other guy to get scrapped for budget issues instead of Doug/ Carley -_-. BEN would be the perfect person to get scrapped instead! Nobody literally cares about him right now....

uelrindru · 09/02/2012, 11:15 am

Honestly, I thought they handled the death well. Carley's death was the first time a video game made me sit up and shout at the TV. I made the decision to leave Lily there before I knew the option even existed and I would have killed her with my bare hands if they had let me. Lee got into that van and was shocked, he hadn't come to terms with it and neither had I. That's what good story telling does, it elicts strong emotions from you and sparks great debates like this.
I've had a few moments of intense emotion, when the brothers threatened Clem, I straight lost my shit and choose to run at them. It didn't even matter that I knew I'd probably be shot. Waking up I was first worried about Clem and then after I was sure she was safe I accessed the situation. I'm a stone cold gamer, most of the time I play games I only think of what will benefit me the most or if it's a Mass Effect game where that's less important I pick the way I'm going to play. These moments through all that out and made it real. I cared about the characters as if they were people in those moments.
So what if they made the decision to remove the character because of money, stuff like that happens. If that's true, and I'm not convinced it is, they used what they had to do to craft a memorable experience and show you all that you cared about some pixels and 1's and 0's more than many of you ever had. Carley's death showed you anyone can die, but it also drove home the fact
that anyone can snap in your group, people YOU trust can kill people YOU care about. This group was not unitied, hell they wouldn't have even been near each other save the circumstances. Lily was unstable and this was her breaking point. I had one of my own, I killed the first brother, didn't even think of it just stabbed him. The decision made sense to me and I was happy with it till I realized Clem had seen it. I rationalized it to her but when she asked me if I had to do it I knew the answer was no. I didn't kill the second brother and I didn't steal the food because they were the right things to do. Those decisions mattered, they mattered to me because I didn't become a monster. Will I see any real changes in the game? I have no idea and don't care, the way I felt was worth it regardless. I felt good picking Carley, she was objectively a better choice and a more personable character for me. The actions were different, the feel of the character was different.

Cyreen · 09/02/2012, 11:19 am

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Originally Posted by last.vill

you say ludicrous clementine before had seen body of larry and st.john brothers in episode 2

Clem saw Larry, otherwise that's your game, not mine.

Wrighty · 09/02/2012, 11:19 am

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Originally Posted by CrazyGamerzPC

The kids thing is not an acceptable excuse, nobody knew about any bite victim yet either. He didn't even bother checking her pulse or even looking at her. Kenny just stepped over her and didn't look either. Ben didn't even do a closer inspection, just looked at Carley and thats it....
He should of just took her in the RV for closer inspection and a funeral. If you choose to take Lily with you, you don't see any walkers in the backround, you just get a cutscene of Carley and the dead walkers body so theres no rush of walkers coming for ya which leads me to this quote....

I got this feeling too. Disappointed TTG, disappointed. It was there because of budget issues, but I'd prefer for Chuck or Christa or that other guy to get scrapped for budget issues instead of Doug/ Carley -_-. BEN would be the perfect person to get scrapped instead! Nobody literally cares about him right now....

Honestly, feels like you just miss her. Thats okay bro, I miss her too.
*hugs*

Also I don't think the death was completely rushed and random, those two were fighting since ep 1. I think it's just Telltale hitting us where it hurts.

uelrindru · 09/02/2012, 12:18 pm

The only issue with collecting Carley's body was crazy Lily just happened to be right next to the body.... being crazy. Also, gunshots attract walkers so it made sense to leave her body.

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09/02/2012, 08:23 am	#201
Orenishii Promised land Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North-East, England Posts: 8	I hope that she will come back, she was one of my favorite characters including Lee and Clem. Carley's and Lee's relationship was really becoming interesting, I always knew something would hit off between them, well sorta. It's a shame she died. Dislike Telltale!

09/02/2012, 08:39 am	#203
coryay113 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 72	Carley died yes but so did duck so i consider it a fair trade off.

09/02/2012, 08:39 am	#204
Freeze Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 103	Carley was my favorite but it's impossible for her to come back. Even if she survived she's like 100+ miles away from Lee and the gang. I think we"ll see her in a dream sequence where we"ll finally find out what really went down with the Senator and his wife. Someone else also posted that Lee could find a letter in his back pocket from Carley which could be like some sort of confession or "watch your back" thing as well depending on the relationship.

09/02/2012, 09:26 am	#205
DreadMagus Arrgh! Thar Be Zombies! Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: The space between worlds. Posts: 2,089	As much as I'd like her back, with only two episodes left, I don't see how it could even be possible. Of course, they never checked on her to see if she was alive or dead.... and there is another season coming....

09/02/2012, 10:01 am	#207
Seath Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 21	How Lee handled Carleys Death was really sloppy written in my opinion. There was no time for a burial? Because what? Walkers? He should have carried her into the RV, you just dont let somebody lying on the side on the street, especially sb who you liked. He should have hoped that she somehow survived the shot. (Remember Carl in the Comics? Yup sb. blew half of his face off) Heck, I would have been happy if he could just shed a tear. I mean there was so much potential on how to handle the loss of a dear groupmember. Not just let him lay on the side of a road and devote him 2 speech lines. (Ben and Katjaa). I kinda got that feeling that her death wasn't planned, but got changed mid development, because they couldnt keep up with the deadlines.

09/02/2012, 10:23 am	#213
DreadMagus Arrgh! Thar Be Zombies! Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: The space between worlds. Posts: 2,089	You do make a good counterpoint....

09/02/2012, 10:25 am	#215
Grimez Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 32	Touche, when I said hundreds I was including walkers. Bandits would probably be somewhere from 10 - 50.

09/02/2012, 11:15 am	#217
uelrindru Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 10	Honestly, I thought they handled the death well. Carley's death was the first time a video game made me sit up and shout at the TV. I made the decision to leave Lily there before I knew the option even existed and I would have killed her with my bare hands if they had let me. Lee got into that van and was shocked, he hadn't come to terms with it and neither had I. That's what good story telling does, it elicts strong emotions from you and sparks great debates like this. I've had a few moments of intense emotion, when the brothers threatened Clem, I straight lost my shit and choose to run at them. It didn't even matter that I knew I'd probably be shot. Waking up I was first worried about Clem and then after I was sure she was safe I accessed the situation. I'm a stone cold gamer, most of the time I play games I only think of what will benefit me the most or if it's a Mass Effect game where that's less important I pick the way I'm going to play. These moments through all that out and made it real. I cared about the characters as if they were people in those moments. So what if they made the decision to remove the character because of money, stuff like that happens. If that's true, and I'm not convinced it is, they used what they had to do to craft a memorable experience and show you all that you cared about some pixels and 1's and 0's more than many of you ever had. Carley's death showed you anyone can die, but it also drove home the fact that anyone can snap in your group, people YOU trust can kill people YOU care about. This group was not unitied, hell they wouldn't have even been near each other save the circumstances. Lily was unstable and this was her breaking point. I had one of my own, I killed the first brother, didn't even think of it just stabbed him. The decision made sense to me and I was happy with it till I realized Clem had seen it. I rationalized it to her but when she asked me if I had to do it I knew the answer was no. I didn't kill the second brother and I didn't steal the food because they were the right things to do. Those decisions mattered, they mattered to me because I didn't become a monster. Will I see any real changes in the game? I have no idea and don't care, the way I felt was worth it regardless. I felt good picking Carley, she was objectively a better choice and a more personable character for me. The actions were different, the feel of the character was different.

09/02/2012, 12:18 pm	#220
uelrindru Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 10	The only issue with collecting Carley's body was crazy Lily just happened to be right next to the body.... being crazy. Also, gunshots attract walkers so it made sense to leave her body.