Telltale Games

cesse · 09/02/2012, 02:57 pm

First of all after reading through this whole thread I'd like to say this. STOP SPOILING THE FUCKING COMICS that's seriously rude, this is a forum about the game and if you are gonna write something about the comic then put it under a spoiler.

Second of all, on the discussion if this was good or not both sides make valid points. The good parts about the death I guess is that it shows how much they actually made you care about the character, hell when she got shot it fealt like a real person got shot and I've been sad for a whole day now. That is not something that any game or movie has ever made me become. Also you could argue that it shows that the writers have balls and no one is safe.

BUT

I don't care for one single character anymore except for Clementine. For the rest of the episode my feelings wasn't as invoked as before, sure the other death scenes was well done but I still wasn't having a good gaming experience. I also feel like many other people say, that the death was rushed and cheap. How Lee reacted afterwards didn't feel real at all. He got mad at Lilly at once, but almost didn't talk about Carley at all afterwards. He should have had a short moment to say goodbye or something since they weren't really in that big of a rush, she was the only person that he had any really good connection with, who always stood by his side and he also had feelings for her.

Some death scenes in games have been among the best gaming experiences ever and this could have been outstanding, but the only thing it invoked was rage and not just because of sadness but because it wasn't handled good enough.

Some people (specially a lot on the youtube videos) talk about that she might come back since the bullet only scratched her cheek and no one checked her pulse or anything. I don't know if it would work for this season, but if they would bring her back if they make a second season (which I really hope they do) I actually think it could be good. It would come as a surprise and she could be one of Lee's closest people. A lot of emotional dialouges between them could happen since he though she was dead and all. Then they could kill her off for real later on in the season but give her and Lee a much more emotional moment in the death scene.

YamiRaziel · 09/02/2012, 03:01 pm

Not every Lee had feelings for Carley. Mine didn't.
Not every Lee had Carley alive at this point so the scratch theory is not going to work. What if Carley died at the drugstore at ep 1? It was obvious that Doug's bullet didn't just scratch his cheek.

Xarne · 09/02/2012, 03:05 pm

Carley wasnt in my playthrough but I saw the video. The scene was very ...strange. It looks almost as if Lily was intentionally taking Carley out for saying her piece. That was a point blank shot in the face and she's not Neo, or Ozymandias so there's no coming back from that. Most likely walkers heard that shot and ate her within the hour.

Gman5852 · 09/02/2012, 03:16 pm

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Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Not every Lee had feelings for Carley. Mine didn't.
Not every Lee had Carley alive at this point so the scratch theory is not going to work. What if Carley died at the drugstore at ep 1? It was obvious that Doug's bullet didn't just scratch his cheek.

It was also obvious Carley's bullet didn't scratch her cheek, I've seen the cutscene of her death online, it pierces her skull head on.

Lars80 · 09/02/2012, 03:21 pm

We dont know where Carley was shot or if she suffered brain damage. Even if she was strafed the force would knock her over and out. And she would have a concussion. Just look at Daryl in the tv series.
So telltale COULD bring her back.

But that would be almost as stupid as Lee actually sitting down to discuss with Clem how they are going to find her parents in Savannah, when he knows they are dead and Savannah is probably a huge death trap. This is almost as dumb as the pacific playland in Zombieland.

Seath · 09/02/2012, 03:25 pm

I mean come one, if you had chosen the romance path for Lee, why didn't he bother checking her pulse/looking if there's a little bit of life left in her. Heck he didn't even gave her a look. And would you really leave the body of somebody you loved for zombie food?
The problem is not that she died, but how she died.

HAcoreRD · 09/02/2012, 03:29 pm

I played this yesterday, and I honestly applaud the creators. I cannot recall when a game made me shout at 1 AM "NO!" like this game, because I loved Carley's character. It's fine for fans to feel robbed out of her, but her death should serve purpose. For Lee, to stop being so trust worthy of everyone, and to prevent future events like this.

My only gripe was we didn't collect her body. Walkers were coming? It would've taken 15 seconds for Kenny and Ben to pick her body up and bring her in the RV. Crazy Lilly is there? Subdue her, hell, I personally wanted to shoot her in the leg(s) so she'd be sure to die. Plus, noone checked for a pulse. Yeah, headshots are 99% fatal, but still, just so noone can claim the bullet went through her cheek and got stopped by something.

All in all, I'll miss Carley, the game wont feel the same to me without her, but that's zombie life for you. Don't grow attached to your party, you all die anyways.

YamiRaziel · 09/02/2012, 03:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Seath

I mean come one, if you had chosen the romance path for Lee, why didn't he bother checking her pulse/looking if there's a little bit of life left in her. Heck he didn't even gave her a look. And would you really leave the body of somebody you loved for zombie food?
The problem is not that she died, but how she died.

Is it possible that you're giving this romance more foundation than it actually had? Except for a kiss on the cheek I haven't seen anything that would indicate Lee was in love with Charley.
Plus Lilly shot a gun near a zombie infested forest. They didn't really have time to check anything. If you leave Lilly behind you can even see one of the walkers running towards her.

Lars80 · 09/02/2012, 03:29 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gman5852

It was also obvious Carley's bullet didn't scratch her cheek, I've seen the cutscene of her death online, it pierces her skull head on.

Where?

cesse · 09/02/2012, 03:35 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Is it possible that you're giving this romance more foundation than it actually had? Except for a kiss on the cheek I haven't seen anything that would indicate Lee was in love with Charley.
Plus Lilly shot a gun near a zombie infested forest. They didn't really have time to check anything. If you leave Lilly behind you can even see one of the walkers running towards her.

You mean you don't have time to check if your friend is dead or can be saved? The zombies were pretty far away..

Gman5852 · 09/02/2012, 03:38 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lars80

Where?

I was watching a Lets play of the series, and it was a perfect headshot from what I saw.

CrazyGamerzPC · 09/02/2012, 04:43 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gman5852

I was watching a Lets play of the series, and it was a perfect headshot from what I saw.

Don't know how you saw that as a "perfect headshot"

Clearly you see the red dot and the blood from the bullet afterwards. Pierced through her skull and directly into her cheek. Not a perfect headshot at all.....

Just saying

Zombies are Awesome! · 09/02/2012, 04:47 pm

I think somebody got shot in the head in one of the comics and survived :P So Carley can too

Freeze · 09/02/2012, 04:48 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Is it possible that you're giving this romance more foundation than it actually had? Except for a kiss on the cheek I haven't seen anything that would indicate Lee was in love with Charley.
Plus Lilly shot a gun near a zombie infested forest. They didn't really have time to check anything. If you leave Lilly behind you can even see one of the walkers running towards her.

If you talk to Katjaa about Carley Lee confirms he has feelings for her. I thought it was bs when I read it on the wiki but it actually does happen.

DreadMagus · 09/02/2012, 04:49 pm

Unless it's just a slight graze (which would still have stunned her or knocked her out) "or" Lilly had a change of heart and did something to save her from a non-fatal wound..... She's gone.

Country road, at night, bullet wound, walkers, and Crazy Lilly?

Not good odds.

Tyriel · 09/02/2012, 04:53 pm

Carley death kinda annoyed me cause it seem like another situation were my choices seem to not matter. I think there shud have been another option were if i made different choices she would have lived.

Web Head · 09/02/2012, 05:27 pm

There should have been a choice which I could choose to kill Lilly, the son of a b**** >_>

Zombies are Awesome! · 09/02/2012, 05:30 pm

Yea i thought this game was about "choices"? that clearly wasn't a choice, it felt forced onto the player

SlingJawFish · 09/02/2012, 06:36 pm

Honestly, I am fine if TTG brings Carley back or if they don't. I was really sad and upset that I could not save her; but when I found out that I could not save her anyway, I was slightly better. I think the bringing her back in a dream is a cool idea. If she actually didn't die and comes back some how. thats cool with me. If she doesn't come back ever, im fine with that. But no matter what happens, I will keep playing these games! TTG has done an AMAZING job with this game and I love it!

Xarne · 09/02/2012, 06:50 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lars80

We dont know where Carley was shot or if she suffered brain damage. .

Now, I'm no doctor, but it looked to be somewhere in the 'point blank range in the head' area. Studies have shown these types of injuries usually result in death.

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09/02/2012, 02:57 pm	#221
cesse Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 2	First of all after reading through this whole thread I'd like to say this. STOP SPOILING THE FUCKING COMICS that's seriously rude, this is a forum about the game and if you are gonna write something about the comic then put it under a spoiler. Second of all, on the discussion if this was good or not both sides make valid points. The good parts about the death I guess is that it shows how much they actually made you care about the character, hell when she got shot it fealt like a real person got shot and I've been sad for a whole day now. That is not something that any game or movie has ever made me become. Also you could argue that it shows that the writers have balls and no one is safe. BUT I don't care for one single character anymore except for Clementine. For the rest of the episode my feelings wasn't as invoked as before, sure the other death scenes was well done but I still wasn't having a good gaming experience. I also feel like many other people say, that the death was rushed and cheap. How Lee reacted afterwards didn't feel real at all. He got mad at Lilly at once, but almost didn't talk about Carley at all afterwards. He should have had a short moment to say goodbye or something since they weren't really in that big of a rush, she was the only person that he had any really good connection with, who always stood by his side and he also had feelings for her. Some death scenes in games have been among the best gaming experiences ever and this could have been outstanding, but the only thing it invoked was rage and not just because of sadness but because it wasn't handled good enough. Some people (specially a lot on the youtube videos) talk about that she might come back since the bullet only scratched her cheek and no one checked her pulse or anything. I don't know if it would work for this season, but if they would bring her back if they make a second season (which I really hope they do) I actually think it could be good. It would come as a surprise and she could be one of Lee's closest people. A lot of emotional dialouges between them could happen since he though she was dead and all. Then they could kill her off for real later on in the season but give her and Lee a much more emotional moment in the death scene.

09/02/2012, 03:01 pm	#222
YamiRaziel Lilly Fan #1 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Woodbury Posts: 776	Not every Lee had feelings for Carley. Mine didn't. Not every Lee had Carley alive at this point so the scratch theory is not going to work. What if Carley died at the drugstore at ep 1? It was obvious that Doug's bullet didn't just scratch his cheek.

09/02/2012, 03:05 pm	#223
Xarne Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: A forest, riddled with Meth Posts: 931	Carley wasnt in my playthrough but I saw the video. The scene was very ...strange. It looks almost as if Lily was intentionally taking Carley out for saying her piece. That was a point blank shot in the face and she's not Neo, or Ozymandias so there's no coming back from that. Most likely walkers heard that shot and ate her within the hour.

09/02/2012, 03:21 pm	#225
Lars80 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 331	We dont know where Carley was shot or if she suffered brain damage. Even if she was strafed the force would knock her over and out. And she would have a concussion. Just look at Daryl in the tv series. So telltale COULD bring her back. But that would be almost as stupid as Lee actually sitting down to discuss with Clem how they are going to find her parents in Savannah, when he knows they are dead and Savannah is probably a huge death trap. This is almost as dumb as the pacific playland in Zombieland.

09/02/2012, 03:25 pm	#226
Seath Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 21	I mean come one, if you had chosen the romance path for Lee, why didn't he bother checking her pulse/looking if there's a little bit of life left in her. Heck he didn't even gave her a look. And would you really leave the body of somebody you loved for zombie food? The problem is not that she died, but how she died.

09/02/2012, 03:29 pm	#227
HAcoreRD Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3	I played this yesterday, and I honestly applaud the creators. I cannot recall when a game made me shout at 1 AM "NO!" like this game, because I loved Carley's character. It's fine for fans to feel robbed out of her, but her death should serve purpose. For Lee, to stop being so trust worthy of everyone, and to prevent future events like this. My only gripe was we didn't collect her body. Walkers were coming? It would've taken 15 seconds for Kenny and Ben to pick her body up and bring her in the RV. Crazy Lilly is there? Subdue her, hell, I personally wanted to shoot her in the leg(s) so she'd be sure to die. Plus, noone checked for a pulse. Yeah, headshots are 99% fatal, but still, just so noone can claim the bullet went through her cheek and got stopped by something. All in all, I'll miss Carley, the game wont feel the same to me without her, but that's zombie life for you. Don't grow attached to your party, you all die anyways.

09/02/2012, 04:47 pm	#233
Zombies are Awesome! #1 Kenny Fan! Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Maryland Posts: 361	I think somebody got shot in the head in one of the comics and survived :P So Carley can too

09/02/2012, 04:49 pm	#235
DreadMagus Arrgh! Thar Be Zombies! Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: The space between worlds. Posts: 2,095	Unless it's just a slight graze (which would still have stunned her or knocked her out) "or" Lilly had a change of heart and did something to save her from a non-fatal wound..... She's gone. Country road, at night, bullet wound, walkers, and Crazy Lilly? Not good odds.

09/02/2012, 04:53 pm	#236
Tyriel Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 2	Carley death kinda annoyed me cause it seem like another situation were my choices seem to not matter. I think there shud have been another option were if i made different choices she would have lived.

09/02/2012, 05:27 pm	#237
Web Head I miss you Lee Everett :/ Join Date: May 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 178	There should have been a choice which I could choose to kill Lilly, the son of a b**** >_>

09/02/2012, 05:30 pm	#238
Zombies are Awesome! #1 Kenny Fan! Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Maryland Posts: 361	Yea i thought this game was about "choices"? that clearly wasn't a choice, it felt forced onto the player

09/02/2012, 06:36 pm	#239
SlingJawFish Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 15	Honestly, I am fine if TTG brings Carley back or if they don't. I was really sad and upset that I could not save her; but when I found out that I could not save her anyway, I was slightly better. I think the bringing her back in a dream is a cool idea. If she actually didn't die and comes back some how. thats cool with me. If she doesn't come back ever, im fine with that. But no matter what happens, I will keep playing these games! TTG has done an AMAZING job with this game and I love it!