What exactly did Ben do wrong?

[SteveTheBlocks]

Originally Posted by Xarne

You understand he's directly responsible for D/C's death and indirectly for Kenny's family ya? Half our group wiped out in one episode because of his 'dumb' mistake- all of it 100% avoidable.

If only we left the Motel sooner...
Unless you were talking about Ben's mistake, personally I can't understand considering the bandits are heavily ruthless, they would've found our camp and raided us too.

[Zombies are Awesome!]

If he would have told the group as soon as the bandits said they had his friend they would have understood. This is why honesty is the most important factor in a group.

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by Xarne

Yep, whether right then or later on, the bandit problem wasnt going away.
Of course,there wouldnt be a bandit problem if....

But there would, Eagle hair lady said "as long as dairy farm keeps bandit fed, you're safe at the motel" but the dairy is done. So you saying you know more than someone who knows the bandits?

[Gman5852]

Originally Posted by MakersWax

So the bandits knew the group had supplies and weren't attacking because they were getting a taste. Fine by me, Ben wasn't hurting the group.

But the group was already giving the bandits supplies anyway, if you listen to Lee, he says "We can continue our deal" as if there was already another deal before all this.

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by Zombies are Awesome!

If he would have told the group as soon as the bandits said they had his friend they would have understood. This is why honesty is the most important factor in a group.

I doubt he had much choice with the deal. A kid against a bunch dudes with guns. But I'm sure Lilly would understand if the deal was made at gun point, not like she shot someone for pissing her off, oh wait...

[walkerbait00]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

How's that his fault not lilly's. What psycho shots someone for suspected theft? Also there'd be no walkers to bite duck if Lilly hadn't attracted them with a pointless firefight.

duck was bitten at the motel when the bandits attacked, Lilly had nothing to do with why the bandits attacked it was Ben Lilly shot at Ben after duck was bitten

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by Gman5852

But the group was already giving the bandits supplies anyway, if you listen to Lee, he says "We can continue our deal" as if there was already another deal before all this.

He's clearly on about the med deal, since the bandits are talking about breaking that deal prior to him saying it.

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by walkerbait00

duck was bitten at the motel when the bandits attacked, Lilly had nothing to do with why the bandits attacked it was Ben Lilly shot at Ben after duck was bitten

The bandits were about to make a deal with lee, but then Lilly shot a bandit initiating the firefight, attracting the walkers, leading to duck's bite, and by extension katja's suicide.

[AceStarr]

Originally Posted by Gman5852

But the group was already giving the bandits supplies anyway, if you listen to Lee, he says "We can continue our deal" as if there was already another deal before all this.

Im thinking Lee just followed what the bandit said " He said you steal from us we had a deal"

Remember Lee was talking to Lilly that yes somone stealing supplies im thinking he caught on but it also depends what you choose to say to the bandit as well. You could have been an ass an been like F you lol...

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

How's that his fault not lilly's. What psycho shots someone for suspected theft? Also there'd be no walkers to bite duck if Lilly hadn't attracted them with a pointless firefight.

None of this is Lily's fault because Lily did not cause the initial problem which was the bandits...(wait for it) BEN did. Bear with me:
Ben comes clean
Group rallies a defense and strategy ('We have your next pickup'- BLAM)
Problem removed.

That simple
Instead:
A) Because Ben says nothing about bandits.
B)Bandits assume arrangement is still on-going, nothing at the pickup, get very hostile.
C) Bandits ambush motel- now, no one can see walkers (See A)
D) Walkers ambush motel- because of C (See A)
E) Duck gets bit because of C and D (See A)
F)Lily goes Apeshit over C and gets to the source of the problem
G) D/C go to defend Ben
H) D/C dies valiantly defending a fool
I) Duck dies from E
G) Katjaa loses will to live because of I

As you can see, B-G all go right back to A- the source of all mortalities in Ep3. Flowchart would make it much prettier but the logic is still there

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Originally Posted by AceStarr

Im thinking Lee just followed what the bandit said " He said you steal from us we had a deal"

Remember Lee was talking to Lilly that yes somone stealing supplies im thinking he caught on but it also depends what you choose to say to the bandit as well. You could have been an ass an been like F you lol...

Bandit: I don't like no hash! lol

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

The bandits were about to make a deal with lee, but then Lilly shot a bandit initiating the firefight, attracting the walkers, leading to duck's bite, and by extension katja's suicide.

lol this is Lily's fault now? You dont negotiate with scumbags trying to take whats yours...you stall them out then kill them. Making a deal with bandits...

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by Xarne

None of this is Lily's fault because Lily did not cause the initial problem which was the bandits...(wait for it) BEN did. Bear with me:
Ben comes clean
Group rallies a defense and strategy ('We have your next pickup'- BLAM)
Problem removed.

That simple
Instead:
A) Because Ben says nothing about bandits.
B)Bandits assume arrangement is still on-going, nothing at the pickup, get very hostile.
C) Bandits ambush motel- now, no one can see walkers (See A)
D) Walkers ambush motel- because of C (See A)
E) Duck gets bit because of C and D (See A)
F)Lily goes Apeshit over C and gets to the source of the problem
G) D/C go to defend Ben
H) D/C dies valiantly defending a fool
I) Duck dies from E
G) Katjaa loses will to live because of I

As you can see, B-G all go right back to A- the source of all mortalities in Ep3. Flowchart would make it much prettier but the logic is still there

Nope bandits knew about the motel and it was one of their alternative after the dairy went down, just like Clem's stalker said.

Plus Lilly would of shot Ben in the face the second he said he'd made a deal with the bandits, she tried even when she didn't know it was him for certain, why wouldn't she when she did know? She was unstable from her dad's death.

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

Nope bandits knew about the motel and it was one of their alternative after the dairy went down, just like Clem's stalker said.

Plus Lilly would of shot Ben in the face the second he said he'd made a deal with the bandits, she tried even when she didn't know it was him for certain, why wouldn't she when she did know? She was unstable from her dad's death.

Yea i would too especially after her kept it secret for that long and Lilly was extremely pissed when the bandits took over the Motel

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by Xarne

lol this is Lily's fault now? You dont negotiate with scumbags trying to take whats yours...you stall them out then kill them. Making a deal with bandits...

No you convince them to fuck off and get out of there on your own terms. Only a psycho would be dumb enough to start a fight with a numerical superior, more heavily armed opponent in an indefensible position when there's a clear out.

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

No you convince them to fuck off and get out of there on your own terms. Only a psycho would be dumb enough to start a fight with a numerical superior, more heavily armed opponent in an indefensible position when there's a clear out.

There is NO WAY they could have been convinced to leave them alone. So the only way to survive is to kill them

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Viser

I seriously doubt they would have helped him.

huh?

Ben: um, Lily, I've been siphoning off our group's much needed to supplies to a pack of filthy lowlife bandits that roam around. They know where we are and I've arranged designated drop zones for them to walk right up to our area and talk it at their leisure.

Lily: Whatever, your problem not mine
The entire group will suffer by his actions...but nobody will help?...

Anyway, its cool, we all have our different views on Ben. We'll see how things go in Ep 4

[walkerbait00]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

The bandits were about to make a deal with lee, but then Lilly shot a bandit initiating the firefight, attracting the walkers, leading to duck's bite, and by extension katja's suicide.

right like i said lilly had nothing to do with why the bandits attacked it was ben and lily did what she had to do those bandits deserved what they got they were scumbags if ben had said something to the group than lee wouldnt have had to find the bag and remove it causing the bandits to attack the group

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by Xarne

lol this is Lily's fault now? You dont negotiate with scumbags trying to take whats yours...you stall them out then kill them. Making a deal with bandits...

Exactly, you don't deal with terrorists.

What if before leaving the bandits had shot one of your group? Would that have been an acceptable loss? Lee was stalling them, that's all.

However, Ben only delayed the inevitable by giving the bandits supplies.

[skepticalguy90]

Originally Posted by Xarne

lol this is Lily's fault now? You dont negotiate with scumbags trying to take whats yours...you stall them out then kill them. Making a deal with bandits...

I think Carley/Doug getting shot is partially Lilly partially Ben. But on the other count, I agree, the bandits attacking the camp and thus Duck/Katjaa's deaths fall squarely on Ben in my opinion.