What exactly did Ben do wrong?

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by Zombies are Awesome!

There is NO WAY they could have been convinced to leave them alone. So the only way to survive is to kill them

My lee was just about to strike a deal with bandit, when madame retard put a bullet through his skull, obviously it was possible when I was about to do it. Ben manage and he's just a dumb kid, lee's a freaking grown man and a professor, I Ben can do he as sure as hell can. Lee fucking convinced a man to kill his own son ffs, I think that's a little harder than trading with bandits.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

Nope bandits knew about the motel and it was one of their alternative after the dairy went down, just like Clem's stalker said.

Plus Lilly would of shot Ben in the face the second he said he'd made a deal with the bandits, she tried even when she didn't know it was him for certain, why wouldn't she when she did know? She was unstable from her dad's death.

You're dealing in what-if's and the inner workings of Lily's mind, only Kirkman can do that Im giving you facts from Ep3

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by MakersWax

I get it, Ben was giving supplies to the bandits without anyone's consent. Wasn't he doing it to keep them from attacking the motel and killing the group? I must have missed something, because I thought he was doing it after Lilly accused him but didn't give a damn.

If the group needed to tithe the bandits to keep from getting raided, who cares who was doing it? What did I miss?

I agree with Lilly 100% on this - what he was doing was the same as putting a knife to someone's throat while they slept and then cutting it.

As far as I'm concerned, willing or not, he was a mole from an enemy group.

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Originally Posted by walkerbait00

right like i said lilly had nothing to do with why the bandits attacked it was ben and lily did what she had to do those bandits deserved what they got they were scumbags if ben had said something to the group than lee wouldnt have had to find the bag and remove it causing the bandits to attack the group

No, bandits attacked because Lilly shot one... they were perfectly willing to make a deal and leave. Why would they want to lose a bunch a men and a constant flow of supplies?

Also scumbags are to dealt with on one's own terms, Lilly's lucky everyone didn't die in that firefight.

[walkerbait00]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

Lee fucking convinced a man to kill his own son ffs,.

wait who did he convince to kill their own son

[Xarne]

wow so you guys are cold, starving, risking your lives running through abandoned drugs stores trying to keep the ones you love and care for alive, some dude walks up, says gimme your stuff (mind you, both sides are armed) and your 1st reaction is to strike a deal...
Damn guys, we're all behind keyboards, at least talk a good fight
Tell me you'd rip his tongue out and shove it down his buddies throat before you let some BS like that happen

[walkerbait00]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

No, bandits attacked because Lilly shot one... they were perfectly willing to make a deal and leave. Why would they want to lose a bunch a men and a constant flow of supplies?

Also scumbags are to dealt with on one's own terms, Lilly's lucky everyone didn't die in that firefight.

no before lilly shot thay had everyone on their knees with guns pointed at the back of their heads including the kids that is an attack thats why she shot there is no reasoning with people like that

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

Exactly, you don't deal with terrorists.

What if before leaving the bandits had shot one of your group? Would that have been an acceptable loss? Lee was stalling them, that's all.

However, Ben only delayed the inevitable by giving the bandits supplies.

what if everyone had died in the firefight Lilly started, which should have happened if not for Lee and Carley's insane gun skills. Our gang was out numbered and out gunned, if they'd have been a might more organised or spotted Lilly everyone would've died not just your hypothetical single person, plus that single person would've probably been Ben for fucking with them earlier.

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by Xarne

You're dealing in what-if's and the inner workings of Lily's mind, only Kirkman can do that Im giving you facts from Ep3

You can't deny that clem's stalker is proof that the bandit would've attacked the motel.

And you can't deny Lilly shot at Ben without proof, there's no way she wouldn't have with proof, that makes no sense at all.

[DreadMagus]

Outgunned?

Please.

They had a fortified position. And on one side... Ex-Military, a war reporter and the main character who's going to be asskickingly awesome... vs... a group of idiots from Save Lots... that's like the Lowes of this setting right?

Lulz... Those bandits were outclassed.

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

I agree with Lilly 100% on this - what he was doing was the same as putting a knife to someone's throat while they slept and then cutting it.

As far as I'm concerned, willing or not, he was a mole from an enemy group.

He was supplying them was his only choice, he stops bandits attack, he tells the group Lilly could legit kill him. He's a retard but he'd have been stuck no matter what.

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by walkerbait00

wait who did he convince to kill their own son

He convinced Kenny to stop the train and "deal" with duck using force or words your choice.

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by Xarne

wow so you guys are cold, starving, risking your lives running through abandoned drugs stores trying to keep the ones you love and care for alive, some dude walks up, says gimme your stuff (mind you, both sides are armed) and your 1st reaction is to strike a deal...
Damn guys, we're all behind keyboards, at least talk a good fight
Tell me you'd rip his tongue out and shove it down his buddies throat before you let some BS like that happen

There wouldn't have to be any legitimacy to the deal. The choice from any reasonable person in that position's perspective is make a deal or die in a fire fight with an army of bandits.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

No, bandits attacked because Lilly shot one... they were perfectly willing to make a deal and leave. Why would they want to lose a bunch a men and a constant flow of supplies?

Also scumbags are to dealt with on one's own terms, Lilly's lucky everyone didn't die in that firefight.

not being a smartass here, but, when you looked out Lily's trailer and see your whole crew on their kness, shotgun barrels on their neck...thats not 2 parties coming together for a trade agreement, their side got the drop on your side and your side is currently in a state of being held captive, that is what being in a prone position with a weapon drawn on your head will look like and iirc that is why that part of the episode was called the ambush.

But I see your point, you are of the mind that these guys dont want any trouble, they just want to leech off the efforts of your group and thats cool with you. All Im saying is that if there was no agreement with bandits then there would be no ambush, which would mean someone would have been on watch to see those walkers coming, Duck doesnt get bit, Kat doesnt die. Since there's no agreement,(because Ben comes clean) Lily never wigs Carley is still alive. Seems pretty crystal clear to me

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Originally Posted by walkerbait00

no before lilly shot thay had everyone on their knees with guns pointed at the back of their heads including the kids that is an attack thats why she shot there is no reasoning with people like that

Taking prisoners is not an attack, no more that civilian arrest counts as violent assault. But regarless, no one had started shotting so there was still an out that could result in zero deaths.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

There wouldn't have to be any legitimacy to the deal. The choice from any reasonable person in that position's perspective is make a deal or die in a fire fight with an army of bandits.

An army of 4

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Outgunned?

Please.

They had a fortified position. And on one side... Ex-Military, a war reporter and the main character who's going to be asskickingly awesome... vs... a group of idiots from Save Lots... that's like the Lowes of this setting right?

Lulz... Those bandits were outclassed.

If it wasn't a losing battle why'd they run, the bandits were getting in the motel, that no defense, neither is the filmsy side of an RV. No one knew who the save lot bandits were composed of, plenty of military vets end up in bum jobs.

[walkerbait00]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

He convinced Kenny to stop the train and "deal" with duck using force or words your choice.

yes but if lee didnt do that than duck turns and kills katjaa clem and ben and than lee than you have to start over and make kenny deal with it katjaa knew what had to be done and asked lee to get kenny imo lee did what he had to do to get his friend to wise up and deal

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by Xarne

not being a smartass here, but, when you looked out Lily's trailer and see your whole crew on their kness, shotgun barrels on their neck...thats not 2 parties coming together for a trade agreement, their side got the drop on your side and your side is currently in a state of being held captive, that is what being in a prone position with a weapon drawn on your head will look like and iirc that is why that part of the episode was called the ambush.

But I see your point, you are of the mind that these guys dont want any trouble, they just want to leech off the efforts of your group and thats cool with you. All Im saying is that if there was no agreement with bandits then there would be no ambush, which would mean someone would have been on watch to see those walkers coming, Duck doesnt get bit, Kat doesnt die. Since there's no agreement,(because Ben comes clean) Lily never wigs Carley is still alive. Seems pretty crystal clear to me

But the Ambush = death, it was the reaction to it.

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by Xarne

An army of 4

Only an idiot would risk the idea they had no back up, which funnily enought they did. Unsuprising when the bandit know the size of your group and that you're potentially well armed.