[SPOILERS]Ben's character and deeds

[Milosuperspesh]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Wow, I'm utterly amazed at how many ways and times you can split that hair.

dread you have no idea

[Luigi01080]

to me hes like christa and omid, i dont care if he lives or dies, chuck is ok and has smarts on surviving, clementine has our back, kenny is now just depressive after his wife and kid get killed and gonna die foolishly.

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Wow, I'm utterly amazed at how many ways and times you can split that hair.

Exactly the point I was trying to make - trying to pin the deaths of Katjaa, Duck, and Carley/Doug on Ben is just splitting hairs.

Let's just leave bad decisions where they should lie - in the past. He didn't want to hurt anyone.

[DreadMagus]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, after all.

And I don't see how Ben's decision is splitting hairs.

And around and around we go......

Edit: Ok, maybe I'm getting the terms wrong... but it seems he's guilty of Manslaughter instead of Murder then.

[Rock114]

Manslauter makes him sound like some demented butcher who cuts up people and stores them in their...wait a second. That sounds familiar.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, after all.

And I don't see how Ben's decision is splitting hairs.

And around and around we go......

Edit: Ok, maybe I'm getting the terms wrong... but it seems he's guilty of Manslaughter instead of Murder then.

that's crazy all Ben is guilty of is not wanting to die and having nobody to turn to for help

[DreadMagus]

And stealing medicine... people keep forgetting that.

...and possibly letting the bandits in.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

And stealing medicine... people keep forgetting that.

...and possibly letting the bandits in.

that was included in the "not wanting to die and having nobody to turn to for help" part

[Milosuperspesh]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

that's crazy all Ben is guilty of is not wanting to die and having nobody to turn to for help

if anything ben is guilty of being a complete witless wonder...

people like him get people killed, oh wait..

[DreadMagus]

Lol

[Rock114]

Can't really blame Ben for being scared and not wanting to die. Sure he handled the situation wrong, REALLY wrong, and three good people got killed because of it. He'll learn from this, as small a consolation as that may be.

[DreadMagus]

rofl... I'm sorry....

Sure ben, you got three people killed, but that's alright, better luck next time... lol

[Phoenix VII]

I hope Ben does learn, but any learning he does will be away from my group if I have anything to say about it.

[Rock114]

I'm sure Telltale will have him redeem himself somehow. He DID promise he'd step up once we reached Savvanah.

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

...and possibly letting the bandits in.

I'm pretty sure they let themselves in. Don't you hate it when people don't knock first?

[Phoenix VII]

Actually, Ben did let them in. The bandits attacked the Motel before and were repulsed without casualties. While getting the bag from the grate, you can have Lee look at the wall and he'll notice the bullets and arrows left on the wall from previous attacks, which, IMO, proves that the bandits didn't have the numbers or firepower to just march on in.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Phoenix VII

Actually, Ben did let them in. The bandits attacked the Motel before and were repulsed without casualties. While getting the bag from the grate, you can have Lee look at the wall and he'll notice the bullets and arrows left on the wall from previous attacks, which, IMO, proves that the bandits didn't have the numbers or firepower to just march on in.

i think their attack proved they did, we must have killed 10-15 of them and i don't think that was all of them

[Phoenix VII]

If they could then their previous attack would've succeeded. From what I remember there were 4 bandits holding your group hostage, and then 6 in the second wave, with more firing at you from further away out of which Lilly killed 1, Carley 2, Lee 5, and a walker got 1 before your group leaves, and this was despite the bandit attack being a complete surprise, thanks to Ben. As for armaments, the bandits had handguns, crossbows, and I think I saw one with a shotgun, while Lee's group had handguns and scoped rifles, so no real advantage or disadvantage in the actual fight, but your group's weapons should perform better if the group is prepared and fighting from a fortified position which would be the case if not for Ben.

IMO, though, the best proof for believing that the bandits didn't have the numbers or firepower to take the motel is that they did try before and failed. I'm not saying that staying there was worth the risk from bandits or lack of supplies, but the group would've been far better off if Ben acted like a real member of the group and talked to everyone else or at least Lee after his first contact with the bandits than trying to keep a deal going behind everyone's back. Hell, the group would've been way better off if Ben was never found, which is why I wouldn't keep him around.

[Rock114]

There's 4 bandits holding everyone hostage at first. Carley killed 2, Lilly 1, and Lee shot the final one in the rear as he hopped the fence. At least six more bandits came out of the woods to actually storm to motel while several others provided covering fire from the woods. Plus, the ones that stormed the motel (who we killed) all had scoped rifles. Bandits had the numbers, and the firepower. The only thing keeping them out was the wall.

[Phoenix VII]

I looked again, the second wave had 5 bandits with rifles without scopes that Lee kills and 1 bandit with a handgun that was killed by a walker. I don't think Lee's group can win without the wall either, which they would've had if not for Ben.