Episode 3, Things that don't add up.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by 8Bit_System

You said the walker was dead... how could he bite? He would have to fall with his teeth onto the shirt and penetrate it enough to also penetrate Duck's skin.

Are you trying to be funny there? Bullshit yourself if you must... my friend!

...I didnt think I had to merge both posts into one massive collage, especially since it's only my opinion, not canon and doesnt matter but let me spell it all out one last time:
(live)walker grabs Duck,(live) walker locks in,(live) walker teeth are in place, (live) walker gets shot,(dead) walker jaw muscles release around Duck leaving bite indentations, rather than completing the task.
I cant get any more slow motion than that, Im sorry you're getting lost in the Ep 1 and 3 shuffle and that you refuse to acknowledge Duck didnt get a bite, but he did, it was in Ep 3 and it wasnt Ben, it was the same walker in your pics. See pic #4 and #5, yep, that's him.
No I wasnt trying to be funny at all.

[8Bit_System]

Cool, as you weren't.

I did at last get what you were trying to say, but I still have to disagree and still say it's a - let's say - strange idea. No big deal though, as long as we got each other, we can agree to disagree and move on.

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by 8Bit_System

There are a few things here that don't add up for me. One would be the Walker's behavior, why did the other bandits totally ignore the Walker, but most importantly, why didn't Katjaa and Duck move when Lee told them too?

Thanks. Pictures helped. I thought when I downed that bandit that he reanimated and attacked Kat and Duck. I was not sure if I scored a head shot on that bandit or not. Looks like I did. It was justthe same walker that took out the bandit by the entrance all along.

As to your questions:

Those bandits were not the brightest stars in the sky. I figure a combination of drugs, being morons and their leader being capped by Lilly contributed to their uncoordinated fire. Remember your 4 F's of a fire fight (find, fix, flank, finish).

As for Kat, I don't know maybe combat paralysis? People handle being shot at differently. Maybe she saw a threat from her vantage point that Lee did not. I recall Carley was taking out Bandits at the other end of the RV. Maybe it was after those bandits fell that Kat moved.

[8Bit_System]

Originally Posted by Kiel555

Thanks. Pictures helped. I thought when I downed that bandit that he reanimated and attacked Kat and Duck. I was not sure if I scored a head shot on that bandit or not. Looks like I did. It was justthe same walker that took out the bandit by the entrance all along.

You sure did, and you're welcome.

Originally Posted by Kiel555

As to your questions:

Those bandits were not the brightest stars in the sky. I figure a combination of drugs, being morons and their leader being capped by Lilly contributed to their uncoordinated fire. Remember your 4 F's of a fire fight (find, fix, flank, finish).

Haha, true... but didn't you fucking forget a fifth F there? (find, fix, flank, finish, fuck)

Originally Posted by Kiel555

As for Kat, I don't know maybe combat paralysis? People handle being shot at differently. Maybe she saw a threat from her vantage point that Lee did not. I recall Carley was taking out Bandits at the other end of the RV. Maybe it was after those bandits fell that Kat moved.

I thought about that too of course, and I guess you are right. In that case though, Katjaa is responsible for Duck's death... we all know how she dealt with it.

[Master of Aeons]

One thing about why the zombie goes after Kat and Duck even though they ate the girl at 3's start:

All zombies prefer moving prey. A zombie can be eating anything and it will ignore it to chase something smaller, better armed, whatever. We see this throughout the series. Why does it eat the girl, then? Because there was nothing to distract them. The ones in front of the girl eat her, and if you shot the gun, then every zombie without a mouthful comes after the sound.

For my last point: how did that walker bite Duck? Well the answer to that one is - HEY LOOK OVER THERE!

[8Bit_System]

Originally Posted by Master of Aeons

... All zombies prefer moving prey. A zombie can be eating anything and it will ignore it to chase something smaller, better armed, whatever. We see this throughout the series. Why does it eat the girl, then? Because there was nothing to distract them. The ones in front of the girl eat her, and if you shot the gun, then every zombie without a mouthful comes after the sound. ...

That walker couldn't see any moving prey, as was clearly shown by the screenshots.

[Master of Aeons]

Originally Posted by 8Bit_System

That walker couldn't see any moving prey, as was clearly shown by the screenshots.

Sure, but Guts and the comic equivalent tell you they work off smell too.

[8Bit_System]

Moving in circles I guess (shhhh... Cyreen will smell us soon).

In my opinion it should find some interest in the very warm bandit corpse along his way. But whatever... (she will come for us...)

Let's part quickly and in friendship, we might need it.

[Xarne]

Ohhhh I get it now:
"But she got shot in the cheek!! Clearly she's still alive"
Yeah, no. Just like Carley, Duck is dead. Can argue the logistics of a walker bite until blue in the face- he got bit, he's dead. That's that.

[Sir Fruitcakes]

Originally Posted by Dead_Man_Walking

The Chalk: What was the point of that? One "X" on a wall and some smashed chalk under the dumpster? Huh? Was Ben marking the building, or something? Why? They already shot the crap out of it with bullets and arrows. I'm pretty sure they knew what motor inn they were at (Considering I didn't see another one). Besides, where did they get the chalk? I've never seen a pharmacy carry sticks of chalk before.

It was to mark that it was time for the deal, thats what the X was for, it was recently made, Ben went over after storing the meds and marked that X so the bandits could peek over, see it, and move to take the drugs.

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by Dead_Man_Walking

Gear: Even Christa and Omid struck me as odd, walking around with nothing to their names...

Haven't you been paying attention? Really BIG back pockets. Lee can fit an axe in his with spare room for a plank of wood and rope.

Originally Posted by 8Bit_System

shhhh... Cyreen will smell us soon.

[Master of Aeons]

Oh shit, RUN!

[ommmnomnomnom]

Originally Posted by Dead_Man_Walking

In reality, they should have been tripping over guns, especially in Georgia. Southern states are known for their gun toting citizens (And there's nothing wrong with that).

Guns are terrible terrible inventions

[Pellet]

[QUOTE=Cyreen;680745]Haven't you been paying attention? Really BIG back pockets. Lee can fit an axe in his with spare room for a plank of wood and rope.

and a blowtorch lol

[Freeze]

[QUOTE=Pellet;688929]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

Haven't you been paying attention? Really BIG back pockets. Lee can fit an axe in his with spare room for a plank of wood and rope.

and a blowtorch lol

It's like Link from the Legend of Zelda. Carries a bow , hammer ,bombs , bottles and much more in his pockets. Magic pouches are the new fanny packs.

[Cooperal]

Originally Posted by MichaCHOW

Detective Mode:You go on a simple hunt for chalk and find medicine for people who aren't even sick. Bandits are supposed to pick up the meds in broad daylight? Episode 2 Carley/Doug spots Danny and Andy in an instant when they're freaking out over being infected.

Medical supplies are always good to have. Not always important but not to be underestimated. Nothing worse than wanting a painkiller when you could make use of it. And I could imagine hunger headaches are rampant. The bandits approach the pick-up location from a blind spot which is understandable. What I don't get is how terrible Ben was as a watchman. He surely saw Lee investigating and didn't intervene despite what was obviously coming. And most of the group was rounded up for murder with no hint given to Lee or Lilly, despite their watchman sitting barely out of the front of the door,

Originally Posted by MichaCHOW

Shooting:Then there's the gunfire, okay so you got two people shooting semi-auto guns at bandits and walkers. And there's apparently tons of bandits in the woods shooting way more guns, but the walkers want you instead? And when the walker goes after Kat and Duck, clearly it doesn't bite duck where they show him getting bit.

On one hand we didn't have our eye on Duck the whole shootout, but you're probably right. I bet it was coasting off the player not paying too much attention, not thinking back hard enough when they see the bite. And yes, the zombies definetly did come in against the odds for dramatic effect. We only know of one entry way, which was occupied by delicious bandits for the zombies to take, but they went right by instead.

Originally Posted by MichaCHOW

Roadside confrontation: In any real life situation I doubt people are going to go crazy and shoot someone over stolen medicine. "You have til' three", what happens at three? She didn't have a gun in her hand when she was about to start counting. And it seemed like Ben was about to admit he did it before Kenny hits a walker. About that, how do you hit a walker in the street like that? He clearly had headlights and was paying attention to the road. The random accusations in the RV as well, "I've had my suspicions", okay why?

In Lillys defense (not that I don't hate her to death) she was under a great deal of stress. She was having a power struggle trying to maintain her place as leader, her dad was killed by a survivor among us who has no regrets, she was right about a thief and nobody would listen to her, and then she got a earful of personal attacks from Carley/Doug. She was in no place to think rationally and wasn't fit to take charge. I still blame Ben more, by assisting her paranoia in growing, among the rest of the things he did, but Lilly was still unforgivable.

It was more than just the medicine to her, it was making sure nobody was going to intentionally screw them over. She was never made aware of Bens motive of protecting the group. Also she, like most of the other pistol carriers wore their pistol on the back of their pants. She can be seen briefly but clearly reaching behind for her pistol just seconds before the Carley version of the murder.

Originally Posted by MichaCHOW

Tanker Problem: Clearly the tanker was in the way, but when you cut it down, there's no way that the tanker magically moved out of the way, or wasn't damaged and leaked, with probable explosion.

It is a bit of a miracle. It's barely believeable that the tank rolled completely out of the way even with its shape. It's a miracle that the impact left the rails in functional order. It's amazing that the tank had no puncture let alone a full on crumple despite landing in such a way.

There have been a good handful of odd occurences that don't add up across the three episodes. Whether by physics or character behavior. It appears to me like a lack of communication between the story writers and the animators, designers etc.

[LauriNicole]

I didn't understand why the chalk was mentioned or what even happened with that... can someone explain to me?

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by LauriNicole

I didn't understand why the chalk was mentioned or what even happened with that... can someone explain to me?

There was a chalk X on the side of the motor inn wall, oposite the grate where the drugs were being stashed. Lee finds it after inspecting the broken glass from the flashlight. There hasn't been any actual confirmation of what it was for, but it's likely that Ben made the X to alert the bandits that the package was ready for retrieval.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by MichaCHOW

Roadside confrontation: In any real life situation I doubt people are going to go crazy and shoot someone over stolen medicine. "You have til' three", what happens at three? She didn't have a gun in her hand when she was about to start counting. And it seemed like Ben was about to admit he did it before Kenny hits a walker. About that, how do you hit a walker in the street like that? He clearly had headlights and was paying attention to the road. The random accusations in the RV as well, "I've had my suspicions", okay why?

Actually, I'd expect people to do just that. People kill each other over medicine today, especially in places like Africa where it's not so abundant. To repeat what I've said elsewhere, it's not like the store shelves are getting restocked... stuff like medicine is probably going to be the first things to go without being replaced. Prior to the invention of things like antibiotics, you were more likely to die from infection than pretty much anything else.

Suspecting Ben makes a certain amount of sense, even ignoring that he belts out "I'm sorry!" in the RV (which pretty much clinched it for me that he was the guilty party). There apparently wasn't an issue with supply theft beforehand, so the guy who just happened to join up with us is probably a safe bet.