F*** Kenny

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Larry was not necessarily dead and I've seen Lee fight zombies with bare hands. Kenny would've dropped the salt-lick, after and IF Larry turned. Larry was between life and death, but he wasn't dead, so yeah this was a murder in my book. I do blame Kenny for Lilly's behaviour. He killed her dad without any proof, just because we HAD to focus on his family. In my original playthrough I didn't side with Larry on the argument in the drugstore and I didn't later kill him in the meat locker. I do try to help the people in my group, even if I didn't like them. I also shot the poor girl in ep. 3 because that was the morally right call. What is the point to be in a group if I can't rely on my peers? If they're gonna leave me for dead when I'm in a tight spot, then I'm better off on my own.
What if Lee needed help instead of Larry in the meat locker? Would you so happy if Kenny dropped a salt-lick on Lee's head?
I think there was a thread around here in which the OP was asking what would you do if other members were in the position of Larry. Most said they would try to help or at least check for a pulse before they do anything. Killing Larry is mostly affected by the fact that people do not like him.

There was a high chance Larry was dead, and has Lee ever killed a zombie win his bare hands? I can't remember a time that happened. Also Larry is huge and they are in a very confined space. And Lilly probably wouldnt help, she would be in shock. And zombies tend you jump up when they reincarnate. Remember the first walker Lee saw? One as big as Larry, Kenny would have to throw it high and if he missed or was too weak from hunger, they are all dead. That's actually another point, when's the last time the characters eat? Kenny and Lily eat some human flesh, but Lilly threw it up. Lee didn't even get that, and he didn't eat the rations either. Imagine how weak those characters must be, they are in the worst possible shape to fight a walker, especially one like Larry.

You say with such certainty that he wasnt dead, but do you have any proof. Or is this a decision like Lilly's/Larry's in which no proof is required. :P

Killing Larry also wasn't just about Kennys family, it's about everyone! Lee, Kenny and Lilly trapped with a huge walker. They die, Duck an Kat get no help. Carley and Ben get no warning. Everyone dies. And think about t. If you kill Larry and you were wrong, 1 man dies. If you spare Larry and you are wrong, everyone dies. It's pretty simple. And I would have been happy with Kenny smashing Lee's brains out because it's the smart choice. And theres loads of reasons to have a group. Without Kenny, you would never had gotten a ride to Macon. And you'd have one less person going hunting and covering you while you cut off a guys leg. No one to fix up the RV either, so you couldnt use t to get away. Not to mention the fact that at least Kenny had the guts to come with you. Never seen Lilly leave the camp and help get supplies.

That seems to be everything, I'm going to bed. Gnight.

[YamiRaziel]

Originally Posted by Wrighty

There was a high chance Larry was dead, and has Lee ever killed a zombie win his bare hands? I can't remember a time that happened. Also Larry is huge and they are in a very confined space. And Lilly probably wouldnt help, she would be in shock. And zombies tend you jump up when they reincarnate. Remember the first walker Lee saw? One as big as Larry, Kenny would have to throw it high and if he missed or was too weak from hunger, they are all dead. That's actually another point, when's the last time the characters eat? Kenny and Lily eat some human flesh, but Lilly threw it up. Lee didn't even get that, and he didn't eat the rations either. Imagine how weak those characters must be, they are in the worst possible shape to fight a walker, especially one like Larry.

You say with such certainty that he wasnt dead, but do you have any proof. Or is this a decision like Lilly's/Larry's in which no proof is required. :P

Killing Larry also wasn't just about Kennys family, it's about everyone! Lee, Kenny and Lilly trapped with a huge walker. They die, Duck an Kat get no help. Carley and Ben get no warning. Everyone dies. And think about t. If you kill Larry and you were wrong, 1 man dies. If you spare Larry and you are wrong, everyone dies. It's pretty simple. And I would have been happy with Kenny smashing Lee's brains out because it's the smart choice. And theres loads of reasons to have a group. Without Kenny, you would never had gotten a ride to Macon. And you'd have one less person going hunting and covering you while you cut off a guys leg. No one to fix up the RV either, so you couldnt use t to get away. Not to mention the fact that at least Kenny had the guts to come with you. Never seen Lilly leave the camp and help get supplies.

That seems to be everything, I'm going to bed. Gnight.

Not all walker jumps at you. In the comic book Rick notices that there are 2 types of walkers, lurkers (not sure if that was the exact name) and roamers. The roamers are constantly moving around while the lurkers are mostly staying in one place until somebody gets really close to them. So you can't know sure what zombie Larry would've been if he died. Not all of them are fast and energetic. Also the time a dead person needs to turn can vary greatly. Our characters do not know enough to say something like this as a statement.
In ep. 3 when Duck was bitten, you spent HOURS with him. Many characters die minutes after they are bitten, but you let the kid stay into the van where everybody was. If there was an option to ask to leave him out would you have taken it? Kenny is a hypocrite! If he was so concerned about the group why didn't he remove his son earlier? Duck could've died minutes after he was bitten and reanimate before Katjaa even reacted. But it's his family so we all allow that and Larry wasn't definitely his family.

Also Lee had enough power to wrestle Andy and Kenny was even shot. If he was that weak he would've lost consciousness. I think he was overreacting when he said he can barely stand.
Never seen Lilly go hunting? You're going to let a woman go hunting when there are man available? I've never seen Kenny being on watch but I'm not holding that against him.
What do I care if he fixes the RV (to let his family escape) when he's never there for me when I need him. He left me for dead too many times, even when I was going to help his family. Yeah, I'm sure I will be better off without him.

[Xarne]

There is absolutely no sway in you regarding those two. Your blind defense of them is...admirable. I guess

I will say it is interesting how we hauled a bit Duck around for hours without taking action...actually its very hypocritical. Yes the bite was minimal, but really, that should have been a handled right then and there. I only let it go because I knew there was going to be a tearjerker moment they were saving for us, but in reality, the minute I saw those bites at the very least Kenny would have had to given me either a definite answer right then and there or an eta on how long until he dealt with it- aint no way in hell I would have said 'oh lets just keep driving until he turns?' (which is basically what they did, only the train made them stop) Hell no.

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by yamiraziel

you're going to let a woman go hunting when there are man available?

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Really? What century are you living in?

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

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Really? What century are you living in?

lol, please elaborate, I'd love to hear this

[YamiRaziel]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

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Really? What century are you living in?

The century when biology still matters.

There is absolutely no sway in you regarding those two. Your blind defense of them is...admirable. I guess

Xarne, where you talking to me or Wrighty?

[Rock114]

Both of you? It seems obvious to me that the major participants in this dispute are not going to change their core opinions of the characters, at least not unless definitive proof is presented in the upcoming episodes that goes one way or the other.

Also, when have people turned within minutes of being bitten? I've only read to issue 90 in the comics and can't recall seeing anyone turn in less than several hours.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Rock114

It seems obvious to me that the major participants in this dispute are not going to change their core opinions of the characters, at least not unless definitive proof is presented in the upcoming episodes that goes one way or the other.

lol 47 pages in...I'd say thats a fair assumption.

We need some new material around here

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

The century when biology still matters.

My grandmother could and would kick your ass for that statement.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

My grandmother could and would kick your ass for that statement.

No offense but I think you and nana are reading too much Cosmo

[YamiRaziel]

Originally Posted by Rock114

Both of you? It seems obvious to me that the major participants in this dispute are not going to change their core opinions of the characters, at least not unless definitive proof is presented in the upcoming episodes that goes one way or the other.

Also, when have people turned within minutes of being bitten? I've only read to issue 90 in the comics and can't recall seeing anyone turn in less than several hours.

I can't think of any from the comic book because I read it few months ago but for example in the novel Rise of the Governor, a guy (won't say who in order not to spoil) gets bitten on the leg. He dies and turns before they can even decide whether to cut his leg or not. Also I'm absolutely positive that some comic book/TV show somebody mentions seeing a guy die and turn in like 7 min.
I guess it depends from person to person and how severe the bite is. The point is no one can be sure when a bitten victim is going to turn exactly.

[DreadMagus]

It's a ZA. I don't care what a person's sexual opinion is... you got two hands? You can do anything that requires two hands.

Ain't no time for sexism, racism, religionism, or any other ism word I can make up to state my point in a ZA.

As Chuck the Killer Hobo would say... You're either alive, or you're not.

No other monikers than that. And survival is the only agenda....

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

I can't think of any from the comic book because I read it few months ago but for example in the novel Rise of the Governor, a guy (won't say who in order not to spoil) gets bitten on the leg. He dies and turns before they can even decide whether to cut his leg or not. Also I'm absolutely positive that some comic book/TV show somebody mentions seeing a guy die and turn in like 7 min.
I guess it depends from person to person and how severe the bite is. The point is no one can be sure when a bitten victim is going to turn exactly.

Oh, the book? I read most of that, but it didn't finish it. I'm just not a fan of Jay Bonansinga's writing style. If I remember the part you're talking about, that's near the very beginning, before they get to Atlanta, correct?

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

It's a ZA. I don't care what a person's sexual opinion is... you got two hands? You can do anything that requires two hands.

Ain't no time for sexism, racism, religionism, or any other ism word I can make up to state my point in a ZA.

As Chuck the Killer Hobo would say... You're either alive, or you're not.

No other monikers than that. And survival is the only agenda....

Magnus is right. If it's Lilly teaching everyone how to shoot, it seems that she should be the one hunting. You do whatever you can, man or woman, elder or child.

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

I can't think of any from the comic book because I read it few months ago but for example in the novel Rise of the Governor, a guy (won't say who in order not to spoil) gets bitten on the leg. He dies and turns before they can even decide whether to cut his leg or not. Also I'm absolutely positive that some comic book/TV show somebody mentions seeing a guy die and turn in like 7 min.
I guess it depends from person to person and how severe the bite is. The point is no one can be sure when a bitten victim is going to turn exactly.

I'm on ch. 20 now...what a story. Anyways, in this same book a person who dies from a biter does turn rather fast after they die from blood loss due to a severe bite wound. But a person who dies from natural causes took a lot longer to turn...almost like six hours.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

It's a ZA. I don't care what a person's sexual opinion is... you got two hands? You can do anything that requires two hands.

Ain't no time for sexism, racism, religionism, or any other ism word I can make up to state my point in a ZA.

As Chuck the Killer Hobo would say... You're either alive, or you're not.

No other monikers than that. And survival is the only agenda....

Please review the following scenarios-

*Group is on the road, RV catches a flat*
Lee: Carley, handle that...

*Middle of the night at the Motel when suddenly the sound of glass breaking and multiple footsteps shuffling about*
Kenny: Kat, go see what that's about, will ya

I've decided some things are so cut n dry, its easier to ask questions than to explain things so let me ask you:
Since we all have two hands, are these the best selections for the previous scenarios?

[8Bit_System]

The turning can take minutes, hours, or even days after death.

Why?

Nobody knows.

[Rock114]

In the comics, if I remember correctly of course, whenever someone was bitten it took at least several hours for them to die, then a minute or so to reanimate. I can think of one or two of those people, but I won't put them here for fear of spoiling it for someone who hasn't read that far yet.

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by Xarne

Please review the following scenarios-

*Group is on the road, RV catches a flat*
Lee: Carley, handle that...

*Middle of the night at the Motel when suddenly the sound of glass breaking and multiple footsteps shuffling about*
Kenny: Kat, go see what that's about, will ya

I've decided some things are so cut n dry, its easier to ask questions than to explain things so let me ask you:
Since we all have two hands, are these the best selections for the previous scenarios?

Best, no... but that wasn't the point.

I wasn't suggesting that everyone becomes cannon fodder.

But if a person "can" do something, having boobs or whatever is no reason to keep them at home sitting on their hands.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Best, no... but that wasn't the point.

I wasn't suggesting that everyone becomes cannon fodder.

But if a person "can" do something, having boobs or whatever is no reason to keep them at home sitting on their hands.

I dont think changing a tire means becoming cannon fodder
And I dont know one woman who's with a man and wouldnt expect him to go see what that bump in the night was.
Knowing your role and playing your position doesnt instantly mean being sexist.