[SPOILERS]Ben's character and deeds

[Milosuperspesh]

Originally Posted by SonnyN18

It doesn't change the fact that he lied and gave bandits our meds without telling us a word and then leaving us in the dark until the point where nearly half our group are gone.

you nailed it...

[Cyreen]

Doesn't warrant a death sentence.

[Snake Liquid]

I might not like him, but there's no way I'm going to blatantly let him die or kill him.

I'm going to quote TV show Rick, and say "we've got to stick together. Fight for each other. Be willing to lay down our lives for each other if it comes to that. It’s the only chance we’ve got."

Lee and Clementine aren't going to make it without anyone else to watch their back and fight for them. Ben might be unreliable, but after the events of Episode 3, they can't risk any more losses.

At the end of the day, Ben did the wrong thing for reasons he thought were just. He's a stupid kid, as you have the option of telling Christa and Omid. He thought the bandits had one of his friends, and then he thought the bandits would kill everyone if he didn't continue. Bad things happen in this world. I understood that better than ever in this universe after the prison sequence in TWD comic.

If I hated Rick and wanted him dead every time he made the wrong decision for what he thought were the right reasons... he would have died long, long ago.

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

Doesn't warrant a death sentence.

Sure it does.

Trust is essential in a survival situation.

If you can't trust someone, how can you even possibly hope to rely on them not to get you killed or leave you for dead?

While it might not warrant a bullet to the brainpan, his actions make him untrustworthy. And thus a danger to the group.

Larry tries to kill Lee in Ep1, but even HE knew that you don't mess with the group once you have a group.

[Deventh]

Originally Posted by SouthWardRB

Either you saved Carley or Doug. These great characters shall be avenged. Yeah, Lilly killed them, BUT Ben was giving the extra stuff to the bandits, wich caused the whole thing.

These were great characters, ones who shouldn't be forgotten. Ben, a stupid little teenager who is more scared of everything *than a 3 year old girl.

Please, by joining this thread, you 100% guarantee that you WILL kill Ben, at the first time you get.

Clementine has more balls than Ben will ever have. I will kill him the first chance i get. I despise him for what he is and what he did.
http://images.wikia.com/adventuretim...300-173837.jpg

[Xarne]

damn I wasnt prepared for that pic lol

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Trust is essential in a survival situation.

And yet no one put down Larry or Lilly.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

And yet no one put down Larry or Lilly.

Like and trust are not the same thing.
I've never heard anyone say they didnt trust either of these characters because of their decisions.

[Snake Liquid]

Originally Posted by Xarne

Like and trust are not the same thing.
I've never heard anyone say they didnt trust either of these characters because of their decisions.

Who, in their right mind, EVER trusted Larry? He punches you in the face and wants to leave you for dead to be ravaged by walkers in the end of episode 1. Didn't mean I was going to murder him for it. In fact, I tried to SAVE him.

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by Xarne

Like and trust are not the same thing.

Convenient memory. Larry threatens to kill Duck, leaves Lee to die, while his offspring shots a group member. Oh yeah, trust them with my life.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

Convenient memory. Larry threatens to kill Duck, leaves Lee to die, while his offspring shots a group member. Oh yeah, trust them with my life.

And despite what he did in Ep1 he attempts to free you from the walker in Ep2 and despite his feelings towards you, works on the fence because its his contribution to the group...ya my memory is so convenient that maybe you forgot this?

And thank for you reinforcing my point on how emotions cloud perception.
Duck appeared bit, the first reaction for anyone who understands the chain reaction knows whats coming next...
But I suppose if you ran the group this would be a 1 series season since you'd let Duck turn just because you dont like Larrys meany tone? Ya lets cut off the nose to spite the face some more.

Larry punches you in the face- why on earth wouldnt someone want a convicted murderer to travel with his daughter, that crazy Larry!

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by Xarne

And despite what he did in Ep1 he attempts to free you from the walker in Ep2 and despite his feelings towards you, works on the fence because its his contribution to the group...

Anything Larry contributed to the group was for his and his daughter's benefit (i.e. attempting to kill a zombie within their boundaries). Evidently you've conveniently forgotten that Duck wasn't bitten.

[FarmerJoe]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

Convenient memory. Larry threatens to kill Duck, leaves Lee to die, while his offspring shots a group member. Oh yeah, trust them with my life.

Selective memory. Might as well add Kenny to that list since he leaves a lot of Lee's in danger.Same coin but a different face is shown to the varying Lee's.

[Rock114]

Yeah, depending on play style you can see two different sides of a character...that's why theres so much arguing about them on these forums.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

Anything Larry contributed to the group was for his and his daughter's benefit (i.e. attempting to kill a zombie within their boundaries). Evidently you've conveniently forgotten that Duck wasn't bitten.

No, I've played through the series multiple times, I'm quite sure I remember it all.
I'm just not so jaded by emotions that I cant judge a scenario or characters based on the facts presented.

Its why I can argue for and against every character but Ben because every single fact points to him being the sole reason for 3 people being dead and his only defense is some foolish emotional blanket of 'he's so young and scared and' all this other crap that people speculate on solely for the purpose of building a defense he does not deserve.

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

Convenient memory. Larry threatens to kill Duck, leaves Lee to die, while his offspring shots a group member. Oh yeah, trust them with my life.

Larry knew you had murdered someone (I can understand his reaction even if I don't like it)

Larry thought Duck had been bitten (which we know IS how one gets a fast trip to ZombieLand)

Larry's actions are justifiable.... it's his method and delivery which reek of mind-numbing stupidity.

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by FarmerJoe

Selective memory. Might as well add Kenny to that list since he leaves a lot of Lee's in danger.Same coin but a different face is shown to the varying Lee's.

I absolutely agree.

Originally Posted by Xarne

I'm just not so jaded by emotions that I cant judge a scenario or characters based on the facts presented.

What? You figured out I'm a girl, so now I'm "emotional". Stretch that brain, it won't hurt, I promise.

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Larry's actions are justifiable.... it's his method and delivery which reek of mind-numbing stupidity.

And therefore untrustworthy.

[DreadMagus]

I'm almost inclined to agree, except he has proven that group safety is important.

Plus, he did come clean with Lee as to why he did what he did and what he'd do if something happened to Clem or Lilly. I don't think his mind allows for the concept of subterfuge.

If the only thing he's done in three months is shown his dislike for Lee, it's a pretty safe bet he's trustworthy. Unlikeable, but he clearly knows his place.

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Unlikeable, but he clearly knows his place.

Under a salt lick? His last speech was about how he was going to outlast Lee.

[DreadMagus]

And?