The "friendship" with Lilly is fake.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Rock114

Yeah, making Kenny betray you even if you agree on EVERYTHING with him would be a poor choice on the part of the devs. Then there'd be no point, because he'll screw you no matter what...

They could do what they did with Lilly. Side with her and you and her are cool, but she snaps and does something horrible to someone else. If Lilly had stayed, no doubt she would have backed and supported Lee had he forgiven her for what she did. They could have Kenny freak out and try to murder Ben, and depending on if you stop him or do nothing could be like the RV scenario with Lilly. The person you back is fine and dandy with you, but they can still do terrible things to other people.

whoa, you bring up a good point: What if you stop Kenny from his revenge on Ben? That could surely be the deal breaker: you stopping a man from getting to the killer of his family.

[Cyreen]

And what's that, speculation? Fanfiction?

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by Xarne

whoa, you bring up a good point: What if you stop Kenny from his revenge on Ben? That could surely be the deal breaker: you stopping a man from getting to the killer of his family.

It doesn't have to be Ben, I was just using him as an example. He's the most likely candidate for this too. It would come down to you and your morals: Is it really right to let a scared kid die because he made a mistake? Even though it was a huge one?

It could be a situation with anyone else. Omid and his leg maybe. Kenny DOES say in the Ep4 preview that they should leave him, maybe he and Christa fight because she wants to take Omid with them.

[YamiRaziel]

I'm sorry, Cyreen, but you're not worth my time anymore. I'm not interested in your feminist shit.

Rock114, don't expect any reward for your choices. You should be siding with Kenny because you believe that is the right thing to do, not because you'll be rewarded. The boat he has promised you will most likely be missing, destroyed or something else that prevents you from sailing away with it. Almost nothing goes according to plans in ZA. In this one I'm do not agree with Chuck. Plans are not always good. Trying too hard to achieve a plan is what gets you killed at the end of the day.

Is it really right to let a scared kid die because he made a mistake? Even though it was a huge one?

Kenny siders should say yes because that's the rational thing to do. There's a threat and you remove it...

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

I'm sorry, Cyreen, but you're not worth my time anymore. I'm not interested in your feminist shit.

Awesome, by all means go back to your cave, little dinosaur.

[Natalie1213]

Although Kenny is a hypocrite for various reasons, especially that whether helping him kill Larry or not is what determines your friendship, I'd much rather him than Lilly. Larry was a dick anyways, so I didn't mind killing him in my second playthrough. Kenny's my bro right now and it's pretty great. Despite whether you're nice to Lilly or not, she's never your friend and still shoots Carley/Doug and tries to justify herself using Lee's past. I personally hate Lilly. Kenny is still a hypocrite, though. They're not much better than each other, just Kenny actually becomes your bro and Lilly always stays/goes back to being a bitch to you.

They're both very interesting and fantastic characters, whether you like them or not. So it's different for each person. That's what I love about the TWD cast.

[YamiRaziel]

Originally Posted by Natalie1213

Although Kenny is a hypocrite for various reasons, especially that whether helping him kill Larry or not is what determines your friendship, I'd much rather him than Lilly. Larry was a dick anyways, so I didn't mind killing him in my second playthrough. Kenny's my bro right now and it's pretty great. Despite whether you're nice to Lilly or not, she's never your friend and still shoots Carley/Doug and tries to justify herself using Lee's past. I personally hate Lilly. Kenny is still a hypocrite, though. They're not much better than each other, just Kenny actually becomes your bro and Lilly always stays/goes back to being a bitch to you.

They're both very interesting and fantastic characters, whether you like them or not. So it's different for each person. That's what I love about the TWD cast.

Kiel555 mentioned that in his playthrough that is not even a "100% pro Lilly" she doesn't use his past against him. So apparently, she doesn't always do that.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Rock114

It doesn't have to be Ben, I was just using him as an example. He's the most likely candidate for this too. It would come down to you and your morals: Is it really right to let a scared kid die because he made a mistake? Even though it was a huge one?

It could be a situation with anyone else. Omid and his leg maybe. Kenny DOES say in the Ep4 preview that they should leave him, maybe he and Christa fight because she wants to take Omid with them.

Im just saying if there was anything that could/would break a totally loyal Kenny, that would be it

[Freeze]

Lilly in my opinion is exactly like Shane from the the TV show. The craziness that ensues after they lose Larry via salt lick & Lori and Carl when Rick returns. The drive for alpha dog status and willingness to let the world burn as long as they can protect theirs. Even though Lily can be sweet ain't nothing stopping her from booting your ass out of the RV and leaving you so yeah.

Team Kenny I guess.

[rachellouise85]

I don't think many of them have really been what you would call friends, the majority are just people who have been forced together by the ZA. If they had been meeting in normal circumstances, they would probably only talk to each other maybe once or something.

[YamiRaziel]

Originally Posted by Freeze

Lilly in my opinion is exactly like Shane from the the TV show. The craziness that ensues after they lose Larry via salt lick & Lori and Carl when Rick returns. The drive for alpha dog status and willingness to let the world burn as long as they can protect theirs. Even though Lily can be sweet ain't nothing stopping her from booting your ass out of the RV and leaving you so yeah.

Team Kenny I guess.

I've already commented on this exact statement once, but I will do it one more time. How can you say that Lilly is like Shane? Lilly tries to do things for the entire group, even though she might be wrong in your eyes that doesn't mean she's doing it for somebody else. Shane kills a man just so he can save his own skin and is ready to kill his own best friend just so he can steal his wife. I don't see any resemblance...

[Deventh]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

Lilly is an egocentric bitch, who cannot stand any sort of disagreement. Even in your supposed "friendship" Lee's giving way more than he's receiving. True friends never abandon you and they don't require you to follow orders.

On the upside, she's gone and not worth discussing.

I think she had it pretty rough and i feel really bad for her. If you see from episode 1 to episode 3 she changes a lot and it's fact. She is not a bitch, she changed after her father died. I hope we see her again she is really a great character.

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by Deventh

I think she had it pretty rough and i feel really bad for her.

I really don't hate Lilly, she is after all a fictional character. I was merely flipping the coin for her cyber-boyfriend-wannabe.

[Freeze]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

I've already commented on this exact statement once, but I will do it one more time. How can you say that Lilly is like Shane? Lilly tries to do things for the entire group, even though she might be wrong in your eyes that doesn't mean she's doing it for somebody else. Shane kills a man just so he can save his own skin and is ready to kill his own best friend just so he can steal his wife. I don't see any resemblance...

I didn't read the last one seeing as when it comes to threads about Lilly every avid user of this forum tries to avoid starting a stupid argument with your stubbornness and insane infatuation with Lilly. Yeah we're suppose to care about the characters but you take this shit way to far. I instantly regret posting here , I should've known you were lurking around trying to "protect" Lilly. I guess it's time for me to find a new thread.

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

I'm sorry, Cyreen, but you're not worth my time anymore. I'm not interested in your feminist shit.

Rock114, don't expect any reward for your choices. You should be siding with Kenny because you believe that is the right thing to do, not because you'll be rewarded. The boat he has promised you will most likely be missing, destroyed or something else that prevents you from sailing away with it. Almost nothing goes according to plans in ZA. In this one I'm do not agree with Chuck. Plans are not always good. Trying too hard to achieve a plan is what gets you killed at the end of the day.



Kenny siders should say yes because that's the rational thing to do. There's a threat and you remove it...

That's just it, I AM siding with Kenny (for the most part, at least) because I think that he's right. I have a sinking feeling that the boat won't be there, but it's our only plan. Not having a plan at all is more likely to get you killed IMO. With a plan you have a goal to strive toward, objectives to achieve, a reason to go on. I'd rather take a slim chance than wander the Georgia wilderness aimlessly, hoping for some form of salvation.

I'd rather be with Doug or Carley though. They ahve your back no matter what...or better yet Doug AND Carley. Then we'd never fail.

[Deventh]

Originally Posted by Freeze

I didn't read the last one seeing as when it comes to threads about Lilly every avid user of this forum tries to avoid starting a stupid argument with your stubbornness and insane infatuation with Lilly. Yeah we're suppose to care about the characters but you take this shit way to far. I instantly regret posting here , I should've known you were lurking around trying to "protect" Lilly. I guess it's time for me to find a new thread.

Well, Yami is right though. I don't see any resemblance either.

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by Deventh

Well, Yami is right though. I don't see any resemblance either.

Yeah, sounds like Shane had more reason to kill than Lilly did.

[Deventh]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

Yeah, sounds like Shane had more reason to kill than Lilly did.

Lol... Lilly was in such a shock after the events that happened with her father and the farm as a whole. I don't like what she did, but i can't really be mad at her either. It was just a real breakdown.
Shane killed since he can't accept a no.

[Snake Liquid]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

I've already commented on this exact statement once, but I will do it one more time. How can you say that Lilly is like Shane? Lilly tries to do things for the entire group, even though she might be wrong in your eyes that doesn't mean she's doing it for somebody else. Shane kills a man just so he can save his own skin and is ready to kill his own best friend just so he can steal his wife. I don't see any resemblance...

Actually, Shane, since we are obviously comparing Lilly to a very alternate reality Shane than the one that actually is still currently existing in her reality (who, by the way, was just a psychopath since the start of the apocalypse, desperately holding on to the notion that the government was going to save them all if they just sat around with their thumbs up their asses), has some similarities and major differences from Lilly.

Shane kills Otis not just for himself (that is a big part of it), but so that he can bring those supplies back and save Carl. If Shane didn't sacrifice Otis, the both of them would have assuredly died and then Carl would have died. Three people would be gone if not for his decision. Otis was morbidly obese and could barely run, and Shane was injured. The walkers would catch up to them at any point. Shane had already told Otis to take the supplies and go on without him, but Otis refused to leave him behind. Shane did what he did because it was the only option left to him, not just because he wanted to murder someone.

As far as not keeping the entire group safe... that's ALL Shane really did. Yes it's out of his insane infatuation with Lori, but what he does keeps everyone safe. He starts the slaughter of the walkers in the barn because that was a massive danger to the entire group. He wants to kill Randall because he was a dangerous person who attacked members of his group. If he escaped, Randall knew exactly where they were and could lead his people back and potentially rape, pillage and kill everyone in the group.

If ANYTHING, Shane is a more sane individual than Lilly ever was. Especially considering who Lilly goes on to side with and the atrocities she further commits, she is a MUCH bigger monster than Shane could ever have hoped to be in his wildest dreams. That includes his attempted murder of Rick!

Lilly became paranoid and in doing so, straight up murdered one of the group members. No rational discussion. No reasoning with her. She pulled the gun out, and for me, shot Carley out of speculation and no facts what so ever to reach that conclusion that Carley was the "traitor" of the group just because she had a mental break.

THEN, she has the gull to try and justify her actions because I'm a murderer. After I tried to help save her father who was nothing but an overt asshole to me, and tried to reason with them when they thought Duck was bitten.

Lilly's an unstable powder keg. I'm glad she's no longer with my group and I'll never regret leaving her on the side of the road.

[YamiRaziel]

Originally Posted by Freeze

I didn't read the last one seeing as when it comes to threads about Lilly every avid user of this forum tries to avoid starting a stupid argument with your stubbornness and insane infatuation with Lilly. Yeah we're suppose to care about the characters but you take this shit way to far. I instantly regret posting here , I should've known you were lurking around trying to "protect" Lilly. I guess it's time for me to find a new thread.

You can find another forum if you want. I couldn't care less. If you're not here to discuss, why post in the first place?

Snake Liquid, yeah I totally forgot about the supplies. Thanks for bringing that up. Well, in that case you can find some similarities with TV Shane maybe but not with comic book Shane. However, Shane's attempt at murdering Rick was quite different from Lilly's shot at Ben/Carley. I mean her father was brutally murdered a week ago, while Shane hadn't really lost anything. I mean Lori was never truly his in the first place and she's still safe and sound.

I do not agree with your statement about Lilly and the Governor. The Governor is doing a really great job in manipulating people. There are a lot of good and innocent people in his little town. Lilly joining him does not make her a bad person. Lilly defending her people doesn't make her a bad person. While shooting at Lori could be perceived as bad if you're looking it from Rick's perspective, she's still just defending her own. When she realizes what is really going on, she truly regrets it and puts an end to the Governor. I don't think that turns her into a monster. I actually believe that's the redeeming part of her story.