[SPOILERS] CARLEY [Ep 3 discussion]

[HAcoreRD]

Andy ST. John's reaction to Carley dying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bp0W0OdiDw

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[Xarne]

Originally Posted by HAcoreRD

Andy ST. John's reaction to Carley dying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bp0W0OdiDw

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lol it works because they're both night scenes

[Master of Aeons]

Originally Posted by bakajin

I'm an avid fan of the books. Given that the producers intended for the game to be adhere to canon as opposed to the television series, it's helpful for people to read the books first or along side. It is doesn't mean they have to read them to enjoy the game. If TT wants people to get a feel of the books from playing the game, that's cool, but let those who've only played the game come to that place at their own pace. They may find that Kirkman's vision is not for them. They may appreciate the game aspects, the RPG-lite stuff, more than the grim worldview of the books. No point in crucifying those who have a different vision of a ZA from those of us who've bought into Kirkman's view.

(and even though I like the books I haven't bought into Kirkman's vision completely)

Your original. ^ I then ask if this implies a sorter translation to cater to newbies.

Originally Posted by bakajin

I don't see how you got there from what I said. Letting people get there on their own means that if they get it, they will come to appreciate Kirkman's view eventually. If TWD is not for them, it isn't. Reading the books isn't going to "educate" them on how to be a proper fan.

It's a pretty safe jump that someone who isn't sold on Kirkman's vision and sides with fans who are new to the series and put off by the "hardcore ruleset" would advocate a tamer take of the series.

Personally, I wouldn't mind a bit of shutout. A good series should alienate its fans now and again and give them something to think about. Remember in How I Met Your Mother when Marshall's dad died in a huge downer ending? Remember Buffy Season 6? Remember Serenity? I lean pretty close to the "kill them all" idea, and roll my eyes when someone predictably cries foul.

Should reading the books be required? No, you're right on that one. But people should be a little less sensitive to the idea that people can die in their favorite stories.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Master of Aeons

Should reading the books be required? No, you're right on that one. But people should be a little less sensitive to the idea that people can die in their favorite stories.

I agree 10 million%, my only take is that people are coming here from the TV series? Things are going at a lot slower pace in that.

Even if I didnt read the comics; I'd still applaud TTG for taking everyone out of their comfort zone. It wouldnt be realistic expecting 5 totally normal people to survive the start of a ZA, remember this is happening at the same time or a little earlier than the start of the source material. No one has any idea what or why this is going on, they're running off fear and a survival mode mentality

[bakajin]

Nihilism for nihilism's sake (or, to get a rise out of fans or viewers) never makes for good storytelling. That's why I haven't completely bought into what Kirkman does, as when he said he killed off Tyreese, then responded to the many complaints (and I'm paraphrasing) everyone dies in this book. I'd have felt better with "Tyreese's death will make Rick a stronger leader." I know he was responding to some race issues there, and well we don't have to go into that here seeing as we are all happily playing as Lee .

I think it's a stretch to interpret my statement as hoping to "cater" to newbies or even being on their "side." I don't see that there's sides to this thing. I just don't get complaining that they should be less sensitive.

And I'll add, I totally get being defensive about TWD especially if you've been with the books before the show and the show before the game. It's easy to get frustrated with those who "don't get it." Still, it is art, which is open to interpretation.

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by HAcoreRD

Andy ST. John's reaction to Carley dying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bp0W0OdiDw

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hahahah Well played.

[thestalkinghead]

what kirkman does isn't new, who watches a horror film and expects everyone to live?
the only shocking thing kirkman could do would be to kill rick

[DreadMagus]

That wouldn't even be shocking, he's hinted it might happen.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

That wouldn't even be shocking, he's hinted it might happen.

i guess, but it would probably be story suicide, who are you supposed to care about if he dies?

[DreadMagus]

Which is why it probably won't happen.

[skepticalguy90]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Which is why it probably won't happen.

Until the series finale.

[DreadMagus]

True dat.

[Maugly]

I found myself thinking an interesting thought today. With all that hype about Clem, how she is the only one left to care about, I grew somewhat aggressive toward her.
It is something like 'you survived, while Carley does not get to live'. I guess it's jealousy. It's irrational, it's unpleasant, but I can't get over it somehow.

[Wrighty]

Yep I sort of felt the same at first to ben. I also made me SUPER protective of the characters I actually care about.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Maugly

I found myself thinking an interesting thought today. With all that hype about Clem, how she is the only one left to care about, I grew somewhat aggressive toward her.
It is something like 'you survived, while Carley does not get to live'. I guess it's jealousy. It's irrational, it's unpleasant, but I can't get over it somehow.

Cause everyone outside Ep 1 is 'an outsider' to 'your group', imo.
The bond you feel when you first meet everyone, hear their stories and how everyone came together in the drugstore (post Duck) made me feel like 'ok I think this group can actually make it through this.' When they die, naturally no one can take their place so these other people just feel like 'new recruits' to me until we go through some real crazy stuff with them, fuel tank didnt really count to me, I was still eyeing them over

[DreadMagus]

It'll get easier as time goes on.

How many stages of grief are there again?

[FoxxyFox]

It does look she got shot in the cheek but do people really think Carley come back with half of her face ripped and help Lee/Clem at Episode 5??

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by FoxxyFox

It does look she got shot in the cheek but do people really think Carley come back with half of her face ripped and help Lee/Clem at Episode 5??

There are no major organs in the cheek region...crushing people's hopes leads to fake accounts being created and troll hunts then ensue. It's better to leave people to their dreams

[ZombieGoBoom]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

It'll get easier as time goes on.

How many stages of grief are there again?

Too many.

[Master of Aeons]

Carley can't really be dead... WHY WOULD ANYONE KILL CARLEY??? Please give her back, I'll do anything... Ugh, I just can't live without her. But she's gone and I'll always remember her.