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ElderBoss · 09/22/2012, 01:01 pm

.. and you're blind to it.

Initially, I thought TellTale's purpose in having Clementine's character was to bring out your paternal side, and to an extent, I still believe this. However, I now believe that Clementine's purpose is a lot darker.

I had my suspicions before, but when we learned of the man on the walkie-talkie who has been misleading Clementine, it confirmed my suspicions: Clementine will lead you to your death.

Now firstly, don't misunderstand me: I am not implying that this is intentional on Clementine's part, I am not implying that she is an evil mastermind, or even that she has any notion of what is happening.

I believe that TellTale have planted Clementine in order to bring your guard down, as a survivalist. There are players on the forum that I believe would follow Clementine blindly out of paternal instinct, and while this may be the "morally right" thing to do, it will eventually kill your Lee.

This makes Clem the most dangerous character in your group. Kenny may be a few fries short of a happy meal right now; Omid, Christa and Chuck may be strangers - but Clem's childlike naivety will go under your danger-radar, and will lead you up sh*t creek without a paddle.

This is obviously up for debate, and I know I will be met with fierce opposition - some, unfortunately will be stubborn refusal - but I hope to have a proper discussion on the matter. My advice would be - trust no-one, not even Clem. Keep your head. Or if you are hellbent on following Clem, by all means do so - but on your head be it.

FoxxyFox · 09/22/2012, 01:09 pm

Not only to Lee's death but the whole group like Christa

FarmerJoe · 09/22/2012, 01:15 pm

Don't worry,since episode 1 my Lee kept a bullet in his back pocket,with Clem's name on it, just in case something like this happened.You always have to prepared for anything in the world of the walking dead

Red Panda · 09/22/2012, 01:17 pm

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Originally Posted by ElderBoss

This is obviously up for debate, and I know I will be met with fierce opposition - some, unfortunately will be stubborn refusal - but I hope to have a proper discussion on the matter.

What did you mean by "stubborn refusal"?

It sounds like you mean stubborn refusal to accept your theory is right.

Luigi01080 · 09/22/2012, 01:30 pm

I killed duck already and im not afraid to put down clementine. Guessing maybe episode 3's zombie clementine attacking him in his nightmare will come back and he will have to put her down too.

ElderBoss · 09/22/2012, 01:36 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Panda

What did you mean by "stubborn refusal"?

It sounds like you mean stubborn refusal to accept your theory is right.

I'm sorry if you misunderstood - by stubborn refusal, I mean point-blank refusing to believe Clementine should be nothing but flawless, without backing your disagreement up with something of substance. I'm more than happy for people to disagree. We're all just speculators.

ElderBoss · 09/22/2012, 01:37 pm

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Originally Posted by FarmerJoe

You always have to prepared for anything in the world of the walking dead

Spoken like a true survivor.

ElderBoss · 09/22/2012, 01:38 pm

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Originally Posted by Luigi01080

I killed duck already and im not afraid to put down clementine. Guessing maybe episode 3's zombie clementine attacking him in his nightmare will come back and he will have to put her down too.

True, perhaps Lee's nightmare was a foreshadowing. Again, maybe not! But I think for Clementine to come away scott-free would be a missed opportunity for TTG to really test our sense of morality.

KCohere · 09/22/2012, 02:05 pm

Clementine has done nothing to earn my distrust but it saddens me to think that she is being dishonest with Lee. I thought she trusted him more than that. I would keep my guard up but for the dangers around us, not because I think Clementine would lead me into harm.

ElderBoss · 09/22/2012, 02:13 pm

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Originally Posted by KCohere

Clementine has done nothing to earn my distrust but it saddens me to think that she is being dishonest with Lee. I thought she trusted him more than that. I would keep my guard up but for the dangers around us, not because I think Clementine would lead me into harm.

That's a fair comment. I mean, it's easy to understand why Clementine would believe the stranger on the radio, and if her parents are at stake, I'm sure she'd do whatever he asked her to do - like keep it from Lee. Either way, I don't think we're in for a happy ending!

Master of Aeons · 09/22/2012, 02:15 pm

No, I feel a curve ball coming too. Whether this is it or not...

ElderBoss · 09/22/2012, 02:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Master of Aeons

No, I feel a curve ball coming too. Whether this is it or not...

It's anyone's guess.

thestalkinghead · 09/22/2012, 02:26 pm

the way i see it is that we should be telling Clementine what to do, not her telling us what to do, that's why when she said we shouldn't take the food from the car my thoughts were "no child, you do not understand how serious our predicament is" where as i think a a lot of peoples thoughts were "oh no, i cant disappoint my precious Clementine" but that is how spoiled brats are made, so i go with what i think is best and if Clementine agrees it's a bonus but if she doesn't, tough luck i'm in charge.

Master of Aeons · 09/22/2012, 02:36 pm

Sure, tell her you're in charge. You're both on the same railroad. I believe it was Ian Malcolm who said "Ah, ah. Life, ah. Finds a way."

ElderBoss · 09/22/2012, 02:36 pm

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Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

where as i think a a lot of peoples thoughts were "oh no, i cant disappoint my precious Clementine"

Exactly the point I was trying to make, but you put it a lot better here! When I told Clementine on the train that we should search for a boat in Savannah before her parents and she replied with "You can't tell me what to do.", I was like

COME AGAIN, CHILD?!

Last time I checked, I've saved her life like... at least once an episode.

Zeruis · 09/22/2012, 02:38 pm

Maybe episode 4 will explore the betrayal aspect of TWD. We've seen this in the comics.

Sir Fruitcakes · 09/22/2012, 03:17 pm

Well hey if Lee needs to die from a fault of Clementine to make the story as good as it can be, Im all for it!

Cyreen · 09/22/2012, 03:55 pm

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Originally Posted by ElderBoss

There are players on the forum that I believe would follow Clementine blindly out of paternal instinct, and while this may be the "morally right" thing to do, it will eventually kill your Lee.

Morality has many shades of grey that can be rationalized; that seems to be the moral of the story to date. If it's a question of doing something blatantly, disturbingly wrong in order to survive, is it really worth it?

Xmania916 · 09/22/2012, 09:29 pm

Clementine walked alway from the scene of a crime in Episode 1. She is as much on the run as anyone else, especially Lee.

Rock114 · 09/22/2012, 10:13 pm

WAIT! You say that there's a slight possibility, based on your suspicions, without any hard evidence to back it up, and I'm supposed to believe that this advice is for my own good?

KENNY! Break out the salt-licks, we have another possible danger!

09/22/2012, 01:01 pm	#1
ElderBoss Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Ireland. Posts: 72	Clementine is leading you to your death.. .. and you're blind to it. Initially, I thought TellTale's purpose in having Clementine's character was to bring out your paternal side, and to an extent, I still believe this. However, I now believe that Clementine's purpose is a lot darker. I had my suspicions before, but when we learned of the man on the walkie-talkie who has been misleading Clementine, it confirmed my suspicions: Clementine will lead you to your death. Now firstly, don't misunderstand me: I am not implying that this is intentional on Clementine's part, I am not implying that she is an evil mastermind, or even that she has any notion of what is happening. I believe that TellTale have planted Clementine in order to bring your guard down, as a survivalist. There are players on the forum that I believe would follow Clementine blindly out of paternal instinct, and while this may be the "morally right" thing to do, it will eventually kill your Lee. This makes Clem the most dangerous character in your group. Kenny may be a few fries short of a happy meal right now; Omid, Christa and Chuck may be strangers - but Clem's childlike naivety will go under your danger-radar, and will lead you up sh*t creek without a paddle. This is obviously up for debate, and I know I will be met with fierce opposition - some, unfortunately will be stubborn refusal - but I hope to have a proper discussion on the matter. My advice would be - trust no-one, not even Clem. Keep your head. Or if you are hellbent on following Clem, by all means do so - but on your head be it.

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09/22/2012, 01:09 pm	#2
FoxxyFox 100% Foxxyfied Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 188	Not only to Lee's death but the whole group like Christa

09/22/2012, 01:15 pm	#3
FarmerJoe Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 337	Don't worry,since episode 1 my Lee kept a bullet in his back pocket,with Clem's name on it, just in case something like this happened.You always have to prepared for anything in the world of the walking dead

09/22/2012, 01:30 pm	#5
Luigi01080 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 230	I killed duck already and im not afraid to put down clementine. Guessing maybe episode 3's zombie clementine attacking him in his nightmare will come back and he will have to put her down too.

09/22/2012, 02:05 pm	#9
KCohere Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 220	Clementine has done nothing to earn my distrust but it saddens me to think that she is being dishonest with Lee. I thought she trusted him more than that. I would keep my guard up but for the dangers around us, not because I think Clementine would lead me into harm.

09/22/2012, 02:15 pm	#11
Master of Aeons Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,684	No, I feel a curve ball coming too. Whether this is it or not...

09/22/2012, 02:26 pm	#13
thestalkinghead stay safe Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,895	the way i see it is that we should be telling Clementine what to do, not her telling us what to do, that's why when she said we shouldn't take the food from the car my thoughts were "no child, you do not understand how serious our predicament is" where as i think a a lot of peoples thoughts were "oh no, i cant disappoint my precious Clementine" but that is how spoiled brats are made, so i go with what i think is best and if Clementine agrees it's a bonus but if she doesn't, tough luck i'm in charge.

09/22/2012, 02:36 pm	#14
Master of Aeons Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,684	Sure, tell her you're in charge. You're both on the same railroad. I believe it was Ian Malcolm who said "Ah, ah. Life, ah. Finds a way."

09/22/2012, 02:38 pm	#16
Zeruis Mundy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,943	Maybe episode 4 will explore the betrayal aspect of TWD. We've seen this in the comics.

09/22/2012, 03:17 pm	#17
Sir Fruitcakes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Southern US of A. Posts: 281	Well hey if Lee needs to die from a fault of Clementine to make the story as good as it can be, Im all for it!

09/22/2012, 09:29 pm	#19
Xmania916 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 12	Clementine walked alway from the scene of a crime in Episode 1. She is as much on the run as anyone else, especially Lee.

09/22/2012, 10:13 pm	#20
Rock114 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: U.S. of A. Posts: 1,707	WAIT! You say that there's a slight possibility, based on your suspicions, without any hard evidence to back it up, and I'm supposed to believe that this advice is for my own good? KENNY! Break out the salt-licks, we have another possible danger!