I want to run away with Lilly....

[Cyreen]

Awesome.

I think I chose the focus on the train option and got the "can't sleep out here/duck's still sick" speech.

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by Rock114

My Lee hasn't been left hanging at all by Kenny. Lilly is the one who wanted to watch me fry at the St. Johns during the fight with Andy, but I honestly don't hold that against her. And the fact is, while we as players knew the train would start, Lee, Kenny and the rest didn't know. Lilly didn't know. She took the only vehicle that the group had at that moment and screwed everyone over.

It may have been on its last legs, but having a crappy vehicle that will run for awhile is better than having no vehicle and running with your legs for awhile. Being a hardened survivor doesn't count for a whole lot when the herd catches up to you and you're too tired to keep going. I know I'm always with the negative waves, but being eaten doesn't sound like a fun way to end Lee's tale.

Also, Rick's group had an RV too, and didn't it also have something wrong with the radiator? Did they find this one at the same lot Dale found his? And why hasn't the RV salesman giving these things out been sued yet for selling products with faulty parts...

The only person Lilly may have screwed over was Kenny. It was his RV. I knew well in advance that I had not earned a ride in his RV due to my disobedience in the meat locker or on his boat for that matter. I am happy that Kenny decided to take Lee and Clem in the RV (he must have felt bad for Clem). Although I would not have been surprised if he left us at the motel like he wanted to do with Lilly.

Not you too with the negative waves. We have a train that might just work, cars in the area, a map that says follow the tracks to Savannah and no walkers in the area. At least Lee has a gun, Christa and Omid are walking cross country with just their positve attitudes. The only time I worry about being eaten alive is when there are in fact walkers nearby and Kenny is my back-up .

Yeah I don't know what it is with those RV's. It's like a walking dead tradition that the characters must dive a POS that must be on its last leg. I was relieved when Shane actually took a brand new car as his ride (now that's smart). Also, in the book rise of the governor they drive only the best. I was jealous when they found a dealership full of Harley's and picked the best ride . So there is hope that maybe just maybe they can at least have reliable transportation.

[YamiRaziel]

Kiel555, pal, I think you're wrong here. The RV is not Kenny's and it never was. The RV was abandoned in the motel and Kenny was just the guy who fixed it. Apparently he didn't fix it that well which makes me wonder why would he insist that we all pack in the RV... I guess it was just that he could annoy Lilly and has it his way.
Even if the RV wasn't his, he did act as if it was. Maybe that's where you got your wrong impression. I don't think that fixing a car gives you possession over it in such context. Lee and Doug seem to fix a lot of things... everybody has some sort of expertise at something.

About the RV scene, I guess it all depends when you are actually talking with Lilly. She stole it, but I don't hold it against her. If I was her I wouldn't want to be stuck with that rotten group too.
It is a shame that I couldn't leave with her, but well I guess somethings are just not meant to happen.
Now all I have to do is get rid of Kenny and assume the leadership over my own group.

[Rock114]

More reliable than the steel behemoth we've ridden into Savvanah on? Granted she can only go where the tracks'll take us, but I'd love so see a gaggle of walkers try to slow her down. If only we could take that baby on the boat with us...

And I'm fairly certain that Kenny wouldn't have objected to you getting on the RV during the raid, as you DID help cover everyone as they got the the RV and you were standing right in front of it. The main reason, I think, he wanted to leave Lilly behind was his new-found survivalist mentality kicking in again. She was on the other side of the motor-inn, clearly not paying attention to the RV as walkers began to swarm and the bandits were still taking pot shots at us. I sure as heck wouldn't have wanted to dash across that lot, with walkers biting and lead flying, to save a woman who hated me and was so wrapped up in what she was doing she didn't hear us screaming about the RV almost being ready. That would almost be as bad as waiting for her to snap out of it, by which point we'd be pumped full of lead or drowning in walkers...

Leaving Lilly was just heartless though, even if she would go on to steal the RV (none of us knew it at that time). I felt really bad about abandoning her afterward, because crazy or not, she helped us escape with our skins intact. And it was just plain wrong. If I hadn't read the comics beforehand, I probably would have thought that I murdered her by doing that. Needless to say I'll be taking her with me from now on when I play (yes, even though she screws us over. It does kind of add a nice "we're boned" moment with Kenny when she peels off down the road).

[YamiRaziel]

I do have a problem Kenny's survivalist mentally. His mentality is more of a "Let's leave people that are not my family behind, be the biggest hypocrite possible, smash helpless people's heads and bitch and complain all day". Also "Let's make Lee do all the work, take credit for it and bitch some more". Oh, almost forgot the "Let's leave people die horrible deaths so I can save my own ass".

Lilly's survivalist mentality is much better. Hers is like "Let's kill everybody and everyone who threatens our group, and do not be nosy about other people's secrets". "Help the ones that we CAN and help our own." She does have a heart even if you try to deny it and there's plenty of proof in the game.

Bottom line is that Kenny is an awful person. Why does he insist that we all go HIS way if he hasn't even fixed damn the RV properly? To me it all looks as just another attempt to oppose Lilly and assume control of the group just for the sake of it.

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Kiel555, pal, I think you're wrong here. The RV is not Kenny's and it never was. The RV was abandoned in the motel and Kenny was just the guy who fixed it. Apparently he didn't fix it that well which makes me wonder why would he insist that we all pack in the RV... I guess it was just that he could annoy Lilly and has it his way.
Even if the RV wasn't his, he did act as if it was. Maybe that's where you got your wrong impression. I don't think that fixing a car gives you possession over it in such context. Lee and Doug seem to fix a lot of things... everybody has some sort of expertise at something.

I can't believe you don't have my back on this one! You gotta back me up! I'm counting on you! You're useless Yami! ....sorry....very sorry....I apologize. I had a Kenny moment there.

My expertise is getting out of jams when Kenny sells me down the rat hole and leaves me to die. Hmmm...maybe it's time for a poll to see how many times Kenny will leave Lee to die in e4 before a walker turns Kenny into a happy meal.

[YamiRaziel]

Originally Posted by Kiel555

I can't believe you don't have my back on this one! You gotta back me up! I'm counting on you! You're useless Yami! ....sorry....very sorry....I apologize. I had a Kenny moment there.

My expertise is getting out of jams when Kenny sells me down the rat hole and leaves me to die. Hmmm...maybe it's time for a poll to see how many times Kenny will leave Lee to die in e4 before a walker turns Kenny into a happy meal.

*Yami will remember this

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

*Yami will remember this

Ha ha. This game is just too much fun!

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Lilly's survivalist mentality is much better. Hers is like "Let's kill everybody and everyone who threatens our group, and do not be nosy about other people's secrets". "Help the ones that we CAN and help our own." She does have a heart even if you try to deny it and there's plenty of proof in the game.

I fail to see how Carley qualified as a "threat". The meat locker issue has been discussed to death about 50 times over and you and I obviously know where the other stands. I don't think Lilly would have run across that lot for anyone, and I hard a hard time seeing her heart when she was arguing for throwing a child out to die without actually checking for a bite and blowing up on us when we rescued some of the people that we COULD have helped, and in fact DID help. And as black and icy cold as it is, I'm sure her heart is there somewhere.

I fail to see how Kenny's suspicion at the dairy makes him a bad person. He was right to be nosy. Did you miss the St. Johns' fishing for information? "How many people are in your group?" "Who's your leader?" "Hey, how many weapons do you guys have?" Frankly, he would have been an idiot not to be suspicious. One of his friends "just so happens" to get shot in the shoulder when he's at these new people's farm with only one other guy for backup? And then Brenda the Caretaker doesn't let anyone see said injured friend, after she claims that he's going to be perfectly fine? Lilly had suspicions too, but Kenny acted on them and he was right. Lilly wanted to get their food (Mark's legs) and then go back to the motor-inn. I would assume that she meant to take Mark with the rest of the group, correct? How would they go about getting him? I doubt asking nicely would have done the trick, but maybe cannibals have more manners than I expect them to. I had them pegged as cannibals since the camp in the woods, and I was glad to see someone actually DOING something about it rather than "Let's ignore everything wrong with this place, take their food, then go back to our vulnerable home where they know exactly where we are and never think about them again."

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Oh yea i want to run away with a homicidal bitch too! why not add the pedophile on the walkie-talkie too?

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by Zombies are Awesome!

Oh yea i want to run away with a homicidal bitch too! why not add the pedophile on the walkie-talkie too?

The beginning of The Walking Dead Injustice League, just add the Governor and Negan and they're good to go.

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

The beginning of The Walking Dead Injustice League, just add the Governor and Negan and they're good to go.

lol yea exactly

[KMatt]

Yeah I certainly wouldn't have run away with Lilly, but I had no problem with her taking the RV. IT was of no use to us. The radiator was knackared and wouldn't have lasted another 30 miles, and the train was blocking the road.

Only way to carry on driving to Savannah was to move the train. Only way to move the train was to get it up and running. Once the train was up and running, why not use the train to get to Savannah rather then the knackared old RV?

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by KMatt

Yeah I certainly wouldn't have run away with Lilly, but I had no problem with her taking the RV. IT was of no use to us. The radiator was knackared and wouldn't have lasted another 30 miles, and the train was blocking the road.

Only way to carry on driving to Savannah was to move the train. Only way to move the train was to get it up and running. Once the train was up and running, why not use the train to get to Savannah rather then the knackared old RV?

are we supposed to believe there was only one road in macon?, they stopped to check the situation out and kenny thought the radiator would need to cool, if the train or the cars couldn't be moved they would have had to just take a detour and use a different road, and i don't think they were heading to Savannah, they only went there because the train did

[Sir Fruitcakes]

Originally Posted by Rock114

I fail to see how Carley qualified as a "threat".

Whoever the traitor was, lilly percieved as a big threat, if you saved Carley she thinks both of them did it instead of just one, and so i'd assume she was going to shoot Carley then shoot Ben or maybe she was convinced it was Just carley? or maybe carley just made her lose her temper at a really bad time, who knows anger can drive you to do some messed up stuff, for the former her reason isn't that bad because she didn't know the reasonings behind the traitors actions to begin with.

Originally Posted by Rock114

and I hard a hard time seeing her heart when she was arguing for throwing a child out to die without actually checking for a bite and blowing up on us when we rescued some of the people that we COULD have helped, and in fact DID help.

She blew up because Carley took a very massive risk by going out there and saving you, and Lily seems to have said not to open the door under any circumstance so I honestly think her anger is warranted, And she didn't argue to try to throw Duck out, she is on the fence for the majority of it, she says "Nobodys doing anything." looking at Larry, implying she was against Larry throwing duck out and also Kenny hitting Larry, later she says "We get it Dad, its a big deal,", but I don't really remember what she said afterwards, she didn't really argue.

[YamiRaziel]

Originally Posted by Rock114

I fail to see how Carley qualified as a "threat". The meat locker issue has been discussed to death about 50 times over and you and I obviously know where the other stands. I don't think Lilly would have run across that lot for anyone, and I hard a hard time seeing her heart when she was arguing for throwing a child out to die without actually checking for a bite and blowing up on us when we rescued some of the people that we COULD have helped, and in fact DID help. And as black and icy cold as it is, I'm sure her heart is there somewhere.

I fail to see how Kenny's suspicion at the dairy makes him a bad person. He was right to be nosy. Did you miss the St. Johns' fishing for information? "How many people are in your group?" "Who's your leader?" "Hey, how many weapons do you guys have?" Frankly, he would have been an idiot not to be suspicious. One of his friends "just so happens" to get shot in the shoulder when he's at these new people's farm with only one other guy for backup? And then Brenda the Caretaker doesn't let anyone see said injured friend, after she claims that he's going to be perfectly fine? Lilly had suspicions too, but Kenny acted on them and he was right. Lilly wanted to get their food (Mark's legs) and then go back to the motor-inn. I would assume that she meant to take Mark with the rest of the group, correct? How would they go about getting him? I doubt asking nicely would have done the trick, but maybe cannibals have more manners than I expect them to. I had them pegged as cannibals since the camp in the woods, and I was glad to see someone actually DOING something about it rather than "Let's ignore everything wrong with this place, take their food, then go back to our vulnerable home where they know exactly where we are and never think about them again."

To Lilly Carley/Ben were a threat and a traitor. Apparently she was wrong about Carley, but was right about Ben. She did believe she acted in the best interest of the group.
Actually in the Drug Store scene in ep. 1 it is mainly Larry who wants to throw Duck out. Kenny doesn't try to check either, he instantly starts threatening to murder people. If you choose to be silent or so side with Larry, this scene plays a bit differently. Katjaa says that there is no bite and Larry apologizes. After that when you talk to Lilly she admits that she didn't think her father was in the right there... she just chickened and didn't stand up to him.
In ep. 2, she's isn't happy about Ben and the teacher of course, but who would be. 2 new members when you have trouble feeding the existing ones. The game shows that she cares for Clem as well.
Later in the dairy, she actually confirms that everything is suspicious, but tells you to be careful because of might end bad if you find something. To me that's smarter than what Kenny does. Of course, with Mark being taken it is hard to imagine a scenario where our group would've left unharmed. Still, Lilly's advice is good. Later in ep. 3 if you try not to pry in Christa's past, she'll like you better.
One more thing about Lilly's heart. It clearly shows who's got heart when you Kenny mention the girl in ep. 3. She's terrified when she hears what you've done/was supposed to do according to Kenny.
So, yeah, I would say that I stick to my previous post as concerning their mentalities

[FarmerJoe]

Originally Posted by Zombies are Awesome!

Oh yea i want to run away with a homicidal bitch too! why not add the pedophile on the walkie-talkie too?

Originally Posted by Cyreen

The beginning of The Walking Dead Injustice League, just add the Governor and Negan and they're good to go.

I honestly can't see how she compares to those three. If Lilly is such a evil and out of control psychopath why didn't she Kill Lee(if he helped Kenny in the meat locker) when she had the chance? I think She even says "I had you and I could of killed you, but a small part of me can understand why you did it"

I'm not denying that she did a terrible thing,and it's no excuse, but the pile up of previous events caused her to tragically snap and have a moment of madness. Surely Kenny/and Lee have to shoulder some part for her state of mind.
People conveniently forget that Clementine is being cared by someone who snapped and killed. Personally, I find it easier to understand someone snapping after losing a family member in horrible circumstances and finding out there is a traitor in your group while also dealing with the dangers and stresses of a ZA than someone who kills because his wife is giving it to someone else.I'm giving Lee a chance for redemption so why not give Lilly the same.Doesn't Carley say "doing a terrible thing doesn't have to make you a terrible person"

I simply cant see the similarities between Lilly and Lee's crime and the Governor's(torturer,rapist and killer), Negan's(spoilers!) and a pedo's actions. For me the last three deserve no pity, I just can't say the same for Lee and Lilly.

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by FarmerJoe

I honestly can't see how she compares to those three. If Lilly is such a evil and out of control psychopath why didn't she Kill Lee(if he helped Kenny in the meat locker) when she had the chance?

Lilly would have been more than happy leaving you to die in the streets of Macon, she was more than happy to watch Andy fry Lee on a fence, shoots a group member point blank in the face and has no problem leaving the entire group to die on the side of the road while she steals their only currently viable means of transportation.

Yeah, she's an angel. I'm particularly fond of how other characters get blamed for Lilly's actions like she has no responsibility whatsoever.

The problem with playing the game one way, is that you have a limited perspective of a character.

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by Kiel555

The only person Lilly may have screwed over was Kenny. It was his RV. I knew well in advance that I had not earned a ride in his RV due to my disobedience in the meat locker or on his boat for that matter. I am happy that Kenny decided to take Lee and Clem in the RV (he must have felt bad for Clem). Although I would not have been surprised if he left us at the motel like he wanted to do with Lilly.

Not you too with the negative waves. We have a train that might just work, cars in the area, a map that says follow the tracks to Savannah and no walkers in the area. At least Lee has a gun, Christa and Omid are walking cross country with just their positve attitudes. The only time I worry about being eaten alive is when there are in fact walkers nearby and Kenny is my back-up .

Yeah I don't know what it is with those RV's. It's like a walking dead tradition that the characters must dive a POS that must be on its last leg. I was relieved when Shane actually took a brand new car as his ride (now that's smart). Also, in the book rise of the governor they drive only the best. I was jealous when they found a dealership full of Harley's and picked the best ride . So there is hope that maybe just maybe they can at least have reliable transportation.

If walkers had arrived when they were beside the train, everyone would have been eaten, so Lilly screwed everyone. Even if walkers never arrived, she still left them with no supplies, and no transport on the road. Its worse than leaving Lilly on the road to die, its leaving a whole group and a kid to die. Because you dont want to be in the group. Its as simple as that.

What are the chances that people with no experience at all with trains and no manual learning how to start a train which is a pretty complicated piece of machinery. How lucky were they that the driver wrote down the instructions how to start the train and that they could understand it. With loads of cars around, how many have fuel? Would they each get different cars and keep swapping? They could really travel all the way to Savannah with like no supplies?

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

I do have a problem Kenny's survivalist mentally. His mentality is more of a "Let's leave people that are not my family behind, be the biggest hypocrite possible, smash helpless people's heads and bitch and complain all day". Also "Let's make Lee do all the work, take credit for it and bitch some more". Oh, almost forgot the "Let's leave people die horrible deaths so I can save my own ass".

Lilly's survivalist mentality is much better. Hers is like "Let's kill everybody and everyone who threatens our group, and do not be nosy about other people's secrets". "Help the ones that we CAN and help our own." She does have a heart even if you try to deny it and there's plenty of proof in the game.

Bottom line is that Kenny is an awful person. Why does he insist that we all go HIS way if he hasn't even fixed damn the RV properly? To me it all looks as just another attempt to oppose Lilly and assume control of the group just for the sake of it.

Larry was a risk to the group and you know it. The other things you write about Kenny are such rubbish I can't even be bothered writing a long response to. I'll just point you to Kenny saving you in ep 1 and going on scav mission in ep 2. Never seen Lilly do anything to be honest.

Lilly was a hypocrite. In ep 2, she got all pissed because we helped Ben and tried to save the teacher. In ep 3, she got all upset because we didn't help a girl who we know was going to die. She also shot poor Carely in the face because she might have been a traitor even though she has no proof. Then even if you forgive her for that, she steals the RV and leaves us on the road with no supplies and no way to escape. What a great girl.