I.. Don't know..

[Natalie1213]

They're both to blame, but I hate Ben more. Only by a bit, though. And I hate both very much so.
I could (although extremely slightly as I also hate her) sympathize with Lilly because of everything that she went through, but Ben is a bratty traitor who didn't place trust in the group that if it weren't for them, he would be long dead. I don't feel any pity for him and couldn't care less if he dies, tbh.
Ben was the reason why Lilly started getting suspicious as he was stealing the supplies. He didn't admit it was him when Lilly was threatening Carley. Lilly pulled the trigger, but Ben started it all. And Kenny had a part in it as well since he's what caused Lilly to go nuts, but I personally love Kenny.
I was very disappointed when I couldn't push Ben off even when I threatened him and was a total ass to him after the RV scene.

[8Bit_System]

Good to know it's ok to shoot someone, because someone else didn't admit his crime... baffled - again!

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by AsariTears

So my question to you all, who do you ultimately blame? Ben or Lilly?

Lilly pulled the trigger.

[Yertos]

Originally Posted by WowMutt

Reminds me of a movie I watched lastnight. Tomorrow, when the war began!

Is basically a Aussi version of Red Dawn.. But a scene in it had one guy fall asleep on watch and nearly got the group caught/killed.. They were ready to kill him for sleeping on watch!

it's not like he did it to harm the group on purpose. It was just a situation that got terribly out of hand.

regardless, the actions of one can seriously affect the rest of the group in a dire manner!

When faced with a situation as severe as a ZA or War, there has to be a line drawn where "oop's I'm sorry" or "I didnt mean too" or "I was scared" can no longer be valid excuses.

This is now a world of if you fuck-up, you and the rest of us die!

I've no pity for Ben regardless of his age or what he's been through. We've all been through the same and worse and his actions have already caused deaths. He cant be allowed to risk our lives again!

This. In any other situation I'd probably support Ben, but he has not once helped the group other then stand watch, and he is indirectly responsible for Doug/Carley's, and Duck's death. He may have done what he did with good intentions, but keeping it a secret caused our group to be split in half, and like this guy has said, there needs to be a line where sorry or I didn't mean to stops. I feel for him but he has brought nothing but pain to the group and if he doesn't get his shit together soon he has to go. Death is to extreme, but I'd like to give him a little food and some water, and send him on his way before he directly or indirectly gets another group member killed.

[thestalkinghead]

i think the way Lee reacted to ben after he confessed made me like Lee less and and made it more clear that it wasn't my story it was Lee's

[Sir Fruitcakes]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

i think the way Lee reacted to ben after he confessed made me like Lee less and and made it more clear that it wasn't my story it was Lee's

It really could have been worse, I thought Lee acted pretty understandably there, given circumstances, I mean he could have gone blind with rage and did something everyone (except afew) would resent him for, also against the players will.

I thought "Jesus, Ben." was pretty lenient considering half the group was dead and/or dieing and he didn't fess up in the heat of the moment, Although it didn't make me Hate/Like lee anymore I see your point on it being his story, but wasn't it meant to be in the first place?

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Sir Fruitcakes

It really could have been worse, I thought Lee acted pretty understandably there, given circumstances, I mean he could have gone blind with rage and did something everyone (except afew) would resent him for, also against the players will.

I thought "Jesus, Ben." was pretty lenient considering half the group was dead and/or dieing and he didn't fess up in the heat of the moment, Although it didn't make me Hate/Like lee anymore I see your point on it being his story, but wasn't it meant to be in the first place?

i felt all the dialogue choices we just about the same in that conversation, all more mad than reasonable, and then after that you only get one choice and that was really just threatening, the whole conversation was all threatening after he confessed and that is a part of Lee i don't like, as in if i were ben everything he said would have made me worried that i was about to get a beating if i said the wrong thing

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

i felt all the dialogue choices we just about the same in that conversation, all more mad than reasonable, and then after that you only get one choice and that was really just threatening, the whole conversation was all threatening after he confessed and that is a part of Lee i don't like, as in if i were ben everything he said would have made me worried that i was about to get a beating if i said the wrong thing

Even the silent "..." option? I actually used that option for the first time in the game when the group met Christa later on in e3.

I went with the "I could kill you" option but the "why Ben" or "... " those dialogue options should have made Lee seem more passive.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Kiel555

Even the silent "..." option? I actually used that option for the first time in the game when the group met Christa later on in e3.

I went with the "I could kill you" option but the "why Ben" or "... " those dialogue options should have made Lee seem more passive.

i don't know if i tried that, but the silent option is not always silent and just basically a random option or saying to the game "you choose" rather than a choice, and i think unless he had made a sad yet disappointed face with a hint of understanding, a cold stare would have been a bit threatening

[FarmerJoe]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

i don't know if i tried that, but the silent option is not always silent and just basically a random option or saying to the game "you choose" rather than a choice, and i think unless he had made a sad yet disappointed face with a hint of understanding, a cold stare would have been a bit threatening

I think the "..." option is:
Ben:"Say something,pleeeeeeeease"
Lee:cold stare

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by FarmerJoe

I think the "..." option is:
Ben:"Say something,pleeeeeeeease"
Lee:cold stare

i remember now, i had seen it in vlod's silent treatment, there should have been at least one choice where Lee is understanding and tries to console ben

[Phoenix VII]

Considering that Ben chose to trust the word of a group of murderers over his saviors, the only thing that disappointed me was that there wasn't an option to kick him off at the train scene. Or, maybe give him a little food/water and then send him on his way, which would be my preferred response, if I'm not acting in the heat of the moment. It was his secret deal, which involved giving away valuable medicine to make it even worse, that caused Lilly to go from unhinged to paranoid, indirectly lead to the deaths of 3 people, and probably psychologically wreck Kenny. And the Episode 4 trailer shows that Ben hasn't really learned anything.

Anyway, I don't see how Lee's responses on the train are too harsh, especially the "Jesus, Ben" response, if there's anyway that Ben can learn from his mistakes and get better, it won't be by mollycoddling him, IMO...he needs a stern talking-to at the very least, if anyone needs consolation it's Clem and Kenny. And, honestly, the simple fact he just hasn't exiled/killed Ben already makes him more lenient than the majority of ZA Survival groups.

[AsariTears]

I love "Tomorrow when the war began"! It's awesome!

Yes, I blame Lilly.

I too had a good relationship with both Lilly and Carley. Lilly was the first one I told about my past and she forgave me straight up. Saying "He was probably a dick anyway.."

Well, she went and fucked over everyone real good. Left her by the side of the road. Bitch.

[FarmerJoe]

@AsariTears
Let me get this straight: Your Lee confessed his murder(murder not manslaughter) to a friend and she forgave him straight up.When,tragically, that friend cracks and also becomes a murderer you instantly abandon her in the hope she dies....



I do agree that "Tomorrow when the war began" is awesome

[LauriNicole]

Both, in my opinion.
Ben is to be blamed only indirectly for whoever's death- he's the one who caused the chaos, but he didn't mean or expect Carley/the other dude (forgot his name now, eek) to be killed over what he did.

Lilly meant to kill whether she knew the truth or not. She thought she knew what happened, and decided that was good enough to take someone's life.

[owyn]

In my opinion, Ben is partially responsible for Duck's death - not because he made a deal with the bandits, but because he let them inside while being on a watch. If he had spotted the bandits sooner and had warned the group, maybe they would mount a better defense and not let anyone being bitten. He has failed at his job and it directly caused Duck's death. While I don't hate him, I don't think that he can be trusted with anything important. He looks like the type that would betray the group on the first occasion he gets.

As for Carley / Doug, it was Lily's fault. She just coldly executed a suspect without any proof and without asking the rest of the group. In the previous episode there was a scene - two bandits argued about stolen food and then one of them shot the other - Lily basically did the same thing here.

[Fabrimuch]

What pissed me off the most about Lilly´s scene was that in Episode 2 I had stood by her side, but in Episode 3 it turns out I did that for nothing. Lilly kills my girlfriends, tells the group I´m a murderer and steals the RV from me nontheless. And then I was stuck with a Kenny that hated me, to boot.

[Juicius Maximus]

^that's The Walking Dead for you, rakin' a brother over the coals at every turn!

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Originally Posted by Juicius Maximus

^that's The Walking Dead for you, rakin' a brother over the coals at every turn!

Exactly and the Comic is MUCH MUCH worse

[AsariTears]

Originally Posted by FarmerJoe

@AsariTears
Let me get this straight: Your Lee confessed his murder(murder not manslaughter) to a friend and she forgave him straight up.When,tragically, that friend cracks and also becomes a murderer you instantly abandon her in the hope she dies....



I do agree that "Tomorrow when the war began" is awesome

Different circumstances. Lee probably did it in the heat of the moment. You could argue that Lilly's was too, but it the omen was all on her, if she didn't get so worked up over it, Carley wouldn't have told her where to stick it. Lee did it because he was seriously betrayed by sum1 he loved. Lilly did it because she can't take criticism.

It might seem hypocritical but they are drastically different scenarios. Plus Carley was a better friend to Lee than Lilly was and she knew this.