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8Bit_System · 10/10/2012, 01:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Panda

I just can't let someone needlessly die, even if he is an idiot. If you kill Ben you become Ben b/c then you have blood on your hands. Killing an enemy isn't the same as killing an idiot that's on your side.

That is also why this forum keeps some people around...

Saved Ben as well by the way.

Greekcian · 10/10/2012, 01:58 pm

I just finished the episode and my biggest regret is dropping Ben. In my mind I was doing the right thing since he insisted to be dropped and we had to leave someone anyway. Little did I know Kenny was going to screw me over with Clem and Molly would leave, terrible choice on my behalf...

Red Panda · 10/10/2012, 02:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Greekcian

I just finished the episode and my biggest regret is dropping Ben. In my mind I was doing the right thing since he insisted to be dropped and we had to leave someone anyway. Little did I know Kenny was going to screw me over with Clem and Molly would leave, terrible choice on my behalf...

Honestly, I was going to drop him, but then I heard Clem saying, "We don't leave friends behind.

" and I pulled him up.

Bralef · 10/10/2012, 02:27 pm

On the contrary, I never hated either of them. Duck was annoying, sure, but I never wanted the kid dead.

I've always liked Ben. He's a coward sometimes, but he means well, and I'm not about to let him die because of past mistakes. Killing him isn't going to bring Duck and Katjaa back.

skepticalguy90 · 10/10/2012, 02:33 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Panda

I just can't let someone needlessly die, even if he is an idiot. If you kill Ben you become Ben b/c then you have blood on your hands. Killing an enemy isn't the same as killing an idiot that's on your side.

There comes a point at which Ben becomes such a huge liability that having him around at all is a detriment to the group AKA the hatchet incident. He may mean well, but he is an idiot and hurts the group badly.

emcee_98 · 10/10/2012, 03:28 pm

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Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

There comes a point at which Ben becomes such a huge liability that having him around at all is a detriment to the group AKA the hatchet incident. He may mean well, but he is an idiot and hurts the group badly.

Exactly. His stupidity could've gotten EVERYONE killed, and his cowardice put Clem at risk on several occasions, especially in the street.

NikolajDeluke · 10/10/2012, 03:45 pm

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Originally Posted by Kiel555

Easy now. I never said I didn't like Duck and Ben is at the bottom of the bell tower receiving a traitor's reward.

Define 'Traitor'.

Noun:
A person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.

I'd like to add on that by Betrayal, they mean for purely malicious reasons. Ben probably saved their LIVES by making deals with bandits in exchange for keeping them safe. Otherwise, well, let's just say, there probably wouldn't have been an Episode 3, or 4, or 5. At least not with the same cast, cause they'd be, kinda, you know, like.. Dead?

Sergiy · 10/10/2012, 03:48 pm

Just because you don't like someone it does not mean you want them to die.

CTCCoco · 10/10/2012, 03:51 pm

I didn´t want to kill him like that, It´s a fast decision and I choose to save him, but I still hate him for the death of Doug / Carley specially, and all his faults.

BTW, when you don´t like somebody you kill him? Wow.

NikolajDeluke · 10/10/2012, 03:54 pm

Exactly. And I know plenty of people in person who are just as stupid, if not even moreso then Ben, but I don't necessarily push them into traffic or off of ledges, or feed them to hungry zombies waiting to rip me apart.

Rommel49 · 10/10/2012, 03:57 pm

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Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

There comes a point at which Ben becomes such a huge liability that having him around at all is a detriment to the group AKA the hatchet incident. He may mean well, but he is an idiot and hurts the group badly.

Pretty much how I see it; I may not like myself for it, but at the end of the day, if one guy is repeatedly putting the entire group at risk, it might be time to send that guy packing.

As the old saying goes, a chain's only as strong as its weakest link, and Ben's proven to be a pretty damn weak link.

emcee_98 · 10/10/2012, 03:58 pm

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Originally Posted by CTCCoco

I didn´t want to kill him like that, It´s a fast decision and I choose to save him, but I still hate him for the death of Doug / Carley specially, and all his faults.

BTW, when you don´t like somebody you kill him? Wow.

It's not for not liking him. It's because he's a MAJOR LIABILITY to the group. He can't perform the simplest of tasks. He puts everyone else in danger. It's a survival situation, not just a day at the office.

emcee_98 · 10/10/2012, 03:59 pm

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Originally Posted by Rommel49

Pretty much how I see it; I may not like myself for it, but at the end of the day, if one guy is repeatedly putting the entire group at risk, it might be time to send that guy packing.

As the old saying goes, a chain's only as strong as its weakest link, and Ben's proven to be a pretty damn weak link.

Posted almost simultaneously. Agreed.

Red Panda · 10/10/2012, 04:00 pm

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Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

There comes a point at which Ben becomes such a huge liability that having him around at all is a detriment to the group AKA the hatchet incident. He may mean well, but he is an idiot and hurts the group badly.

You make is sound as if killing his is the only way to expel him from the group. It's a faulty dilemma.

I can agree with everything you say and it still doesn't necessitate I kill him.

In theory, I could kick him out of the group or just leave the group, as two other possibilities.

IndigoHawk · 10/10/2012, 05:15 pm

Ben is a liability. I saved him because I could. If people voted to kick Ben out, then I would leave him. Unless that happens, he's part of the group, and I'm not murdering him.

Ben killed a lot of people and endangered others, so the group was right to vote. Clem wanted Ben to stay, and Lee isn't going to cross her over that. It's more important to Lee to keep Clem intact than it is to punish Ben. If Kenny wants to vote against Ben, that's fine.

At the time Ben was endangered, no decision had been reached on him, so he was part of the group and it was right to save him if I could.

Acadias · 10/10/2012, 05:16 pm

Nope I've said, even though I hate him I would save him if he was about to die.

I'm a man of my word. Now Ben owes me his entire life.

Rock114 · 10/10/2012, 05:19 pm

Felt like total shit for letting go, even though both he AND Kenny let me know it was alright. Poor bastard broke his legs to get eaten at the bottom of the tower...

StreetsAhead24 · 10/10/2012, 07:01 pm

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Originally Posted by firedog122

When episode three came, everybody was complaining on how they hated ben and wanted him to die. They failed to realize he was trying to help the group. Episode four comes along and ben tries to sacrifice his life. 78% of people saved him instead.
During the first two episodes, people were complaining how duck was a burden to the group. Episode three comes and everybody is depressed because duck died.
Why do people act this way??????

I'm actually glad for the hypocrisy in this case. Because if you think about it, despite the animosity or disgust these people feel for Ben, they're willing to save his life despite their personal feelings.

I was quite happy when statistics show over half of people chose to save Ben. It makes feel a lot better about the human race. I'm a bit of a cynic when it comes to people and this kind of gives me newfound optimism. So if a ZA were ever to occur at least I still know that there's people out there willing to reach out to their fellow man.

skepticalguy90 · 10/10/2012, 07:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Panda

You make is sound as if killing his is the only way to expel him from the group. It's a faulty dilemma.

I can agree with everything you say and it still doesn't necessitate I kill him.

In theory, I could kick him out of the group or just leave the group, as two other possibilities.

With that guy's survival skills, if he leaves the group, he is as good as dead.

And honestly, it's easy to get caught up in the emotions behind saving him vs. letting him go. However, when you're in a situation like that, you've got to consider the safety of the group and the girl that you are protecting and whose life you are responsible for.

The other factor that doesn't really come into account is that Carley/Doug's death as well as Kat and Duck's are fresh in the group's mind. I know that it is an unintended side effect of the episodic format, but would as many people be as forgiving if they played the series for the first time all in a row?

Madfather · 10/10/2012, 07:39 pm

It's not really hypocrisy. People constantly say what they don't mean when speaking out of anger.

I dropped Ben, but only because he asked me to. I mean it. If he hadn't looked me right in the eye and begged for his heroic sacrifice, I would have pulled him up without hesitation. I also would have let Kenny smash his face in a little. Can't let him completely off the hook.

10/10/2012, 03:51 pm	#29
CTCCoco Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 139	I didn´t want to kill him like that, It´s a fast decision and I choose to save him, but I still hate him for the death of Doug / Carley specially, and all his faults. BTW, when you don´t like somebody you kill him? Wow. __________________ Pawn, LUA, PHP, MySQL, Python(M&B) Programmer. Last edited by CTCCoco; 10/10/2012 at 03:54 pm.

10/10/2012, 05:16 pm	#36
Acadias Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 219	Nope I've said, even though I hate him I would save him if he was about to die. I'm a man of my word. Now Ben owes me his entire life. __________________ Sometimes I feel a bullet would solve all my problems

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10/10/2012, 01:58 pm	#22
Greekcian Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9	I just finished the episode and my biggest regret is dropping Ben. In my mind I was doing the right thing since he insisted to be dropped and we had to leave someone anyway. Little did I know Kenny was going to screw me over with Clem and Molly would leave, terrible choice on my behalf...

10/10/2012, 02:27 pm	#24
Bralef Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 55	On the contrary, I never hated either of them. Duck was annoying, sure, but I never wanted the kid dead. I've always liked Ben. He's a coward sometimes, but he means well, and I'm not about to let him die because of past mistakes. Killing him isn't going to bring Duck and Katjaa back.

10/10/2012, 03:48 pm	#28
Sergiy Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 173	Just because you don't like someone it does not mean you want them to die.

10/10/2012, 03:54 pm	#30
NikolajDeluke Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Kirkwall, Orkney Posts: 50	Exactly. And I know plenty of people in person who are just as stupid, if not even moreso then Ben, but I don't necessarily push them into traffic or off of ledges, or feed them to hungry zombies waiting to rip me apart.

10/10/2012, 05:15 pm	#35
IndigoHawk Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 123	Ben is a liability. I saved him because I could. If people voted to kick Ben out, then I would leave him. Unless that happens, he's part of the group, and I'm not murdering him. Ben killed a lot of people and endangered others, so the group was right to vote. Clem wanted Ben to stay, and Lee isn't going to cross her over that. It's more important to Lee to keep Clem intact than it is to punish Ben. If Kenny wants to vote against Ben, that's fine. At the time Ben was endangered, no decision had been reached on him, so he was part of the group and it was right to save him if I could.

10/10/2012, 05:19 pm	#37
Rock114 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: U.S. of A. Posts: 1,703	Felt like total shit for letting go, even though both he AND Kenny let me know it was alright. Poor bastard broke his legs to get eaten at the bottom of the tower...

10/10/2012, 07:39 pm	#40
Madfather Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 10	It's not really hypocrisy. People constantly say what they don't mean when speaking out of anger. I dropped Ben, but only because he asked me to. I mean it. If he hadn't looked me right in the eye and begged for his heroic sacrifice, I would have pulled him up without hesitation. I also would have let Kenny smash his face in a little. Can't let him completely off the hook.