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thestalkinghead · 10/05/2012, 01:22 am

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Originally Posted by Rommel49

Except that he's about as far away as Larry and Mark (he may even be a tad closer), distance-wise. Hell, Carley's in the same area on the other side of the RV and she'll be there to help, even if only at the end.

And of course, he obviously witnessed the attack, since he knew the Walker attacked his wife, which was only at the very beginning.

Granted, yeah, it seems to be a plot device, but the fact he wasn't there still doesn't pass the smell test.

Really? where was he ? i don't remember seeing him, i thought he was in the "to far away to notice or help" part of the motel in terms of plot

Rock114 · 10/05/2012, 12:55 pm

It actually seems quite out of character for Kenny to not be there to help Kat. Notice how he puts his family above even his own safety EVERY time it comes up. He was very nearly gutshot trying to get Duck away from Andy, and just played it off like it was nothing on the way back to the motel. I can't see why he WOULDN'T be there to save/help Kat. Seems more like a fault on the writer's part than Kenny's, given how much crap he goes through to keep Duck and Kat safe.

Dave of Canada · 10/05/2012, 01:08 pm

Kenny is impulsive and has difficulty accepting consequences, he always needs someone to approach and comfort him when he does something which burdens him.

For example, he'll admit his guilt in the pharmacy after Hershel's farm and you can console him about it which causes him to admire you. Hell, he looks back at Katjaa after Shawn dies, basically looking for her acceptance.

When you've finally thought he's moved on from Hershel's farm and he's just showing his family's best interests, Larry collapses and he offers you a logical point and asks you to back him up on bashing his head in.

Why? He needs you to comfort him, he needs you to say "This is the right thing", he doesn't have Katja there to comfort him with her acceptance and he requires you to be there for him.

When you're not, he--being impulsive--does so anyway but associates the act with you, he doesn't like you because your refusal to back him up only burdens him with more guilt. Lee becomes a personification of Kenny's guilt in the meat locker. It's why it seems at times that he hates Lee more than Lilly.

Episode 3 only reinforces further that Kenny's actions for his family burden him greater than he lets on, he believes Hershel's farm is the reason for why Duck was bitten.

Kenny is a flawed man who acts before he thinks, he's lost everything and the only person that's left from the original group for him is Lee, the man who believes in him or the man who sees him as a monster (despite Lee possibly trying to make amends).

My two cents.

Rock114 · 10/05/2012, 01:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Dave of Canada

Kenny is impulsive and has difficulty accepting consequences, he always needs someone to approach and comfort him when he does something which burdens him.

For example, he'll admit his guilt in the pharmacy after Hershel's farm and you can console him about it which causes him to admire you. Hell, he looks back at Katjaa after Shawn dies, basically looking for her acceptance.

When you've finally thought he's moved on from Hershel's farm and he's just showing his family's best interests, Larry collapses and he offers you a logical point and asks you to back him up on bashing his head in.

Why? He needs you to comfort him, he needs you to say "This is the right thing", he doesn't have Katja there to comfort him with her acceptance and he requires you to be there for him.

When you're not, he--being impulsive--does so anyway but associates the act with you, he doesn't like you because your refusal to back him up only burdens him with more guilt. Lee becomes a personification of Kenny's guilt in the meat locker. It's why it seems at times that he hates Lee more than Lilly.

Episode 3 only reinforces further that Kenny's actions for his family burden him greater than he lets on, he believes Hershel's farm is the reason for why Duck was bitten.

Kenny is a flawed man who acts before he thinks, he's lost everything and the only person that's left from the original group for him is Lee, the man who believes in him or the man who sees him as a monster (despite Lee possibly trying to make amends).

My two cents.

Sounds pretty accurate. Him mentioning Shawn again really caught me off guard...

Tracerhaha · 10/10/2012, 06:29 am

I sided with kenny through most of the episodes, helped him kill Larry, fought with him on the train (even though I was trying not to). And he still refused to go with me to save Clem. I think it all comes down to wheather or not you saved Duck at the farm ( I didn't).

Cjcfman · 10/10/2012, 06:33 am

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Originally Posted by Tracerhaha

I sided with kenny through most of the episodes, helped him kill Larry, fought with him on the train (even though I was trying not to). And he still refused to go with me to save Clem. I think it all comes down to wheather or not you saved Duck at the farm ( I didn't).

Same here. Did you pick "I NEED you Kenny" ? Because i did he didn't come with me. I rewinded it and picked "Shes my family" (or something like that) and he came with me.

bazenji · 10/10/2012, 09:32 am

Kenny: "Why should I care about Molly?"

Lee: "She saved your life..."

Kenny: "Yeah, but what has she done for me lately?"

That's Kenny, in his own words.

Wrighty · 10/10/2012, 12:17 pm

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Originally Posted by bazenji

Kenny: "Why should I care about Molly?"

Lee: "She saved your life..."

Kenny: "Yeah, but what has she done for me lately?"

That's Kenny, in his own words.

Dark humour :P

I really doubt he was serious. Anyway she left us to definitely die in the alleyway and kept the battery so I have little sympathy anyway.

NikolajDeluke · 10/10/2012, 04:00 pm

Lol. Totally random, but a friend of mine thinks that Lee and Kenny should become gay lovers, LOL. Because if I read correctly, Gavin Hammon is gay. That is, if there aren't two Gavin's.

SwordOfWar · 10/10/2012, 06:16 pm

Kenny is an asshole. He wanted you to drop Ben to his death.

Just because I don't agree with Kenny 100% he sometimes will choose not to assist you when you really need it.

I hate Ben and think a lot of his decisions put my group at risk, but that is not enough motive to just feed him to the zombies. He still deserves better than that. I want him to die because he fails himself, not because I just decided to kill him.

Rock114 · 10/10/2012, 06:19 pm

Yeah, Molly WAS going to let both of us die horribly in the alley. The only reason she saved us was because of Clem, and even then she didn't give two shits about Lee or Kenny. It was all for Clem.

Acadias · 10/10/2012, 06:43 pm

Well in Molly's defense Kenny and Lee did just try to jump her.

My Lee actually won the fight.

So yeah would you save the guys who just tried to Jump you?

It's lucky for everyone that Clementine came.

Rock114 · 10/10/2012, 06:46 pm

Lucky for "everyone" and lucky for "everyone who's not Molly" are two different things.

Acadias · 10/10/2012, 06:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Rock114

Lucky for "everyone" and lucky for "everyone who's not Molly" are two different things.

That's true but Molly did come out with a picture at least.

ashesandwine · 10/10/2012, 07:55 pm

I hate him because he didn't help me back at the barn with one of the brothers in episode 2 and many more others when walkers were on me. In episode 5, I didn't even shoot the walker that grabbed him haha.

NikolajDeluke · 10/10/2012, 08:08 pm

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Originally Posted by ashesandwine

I hate him because he didn't help me back at the barn with one of the brothers in episode 2 and many more others when walkers were on me. In episode 5, I didn't even shoot the walker that grabbed him haha.

Episode 5 isn't even out.

VenicStorm · 10/10/2012, 08:17 pm

In episode 4 he's still pretty pissy no matter what and you won't get any messages that say "Kenny appreciates your sympathy" even if you're best friends with him. He doesn't get more selfless either, even though his family is gone. Although he still has his fondness of Clementine like everyone in the group.

J0k3rr · 10/10/2012, 09:09 pm

Originally I let go of Ben and told Kenny "I need him..." when trying to gather a party to go look for Clem. He gave me the whole spiel about how I haven't been there for him at times and stayed with the boat even when I've sided with him over 98% of the time throughout the entire game. I ended up going with Omid and Christa (or whatever her name is).

I decided to play the last two chapters of episode 4 over and saved Ben instead, which should have (and did) piss Kenny off even more. However, during the confrontation about the bite/Clem, I decided to say "Clementine is my family..." and after Kenny gave his whole spiel again he sympathized with me and decided to come instead. He did, however, have a gripe when I asked Ben to come but I told him to deal with it and reminded Ben of how Clem stood up for him, so the kid decided to come along as well. In the end, I got the whole team to come with me when I went back.

I believe that it really comes down to your final choice of words to Kenny during that last conversation. Unless, I suspect, you've been a dick to Kenny throughout the episodes, but who knows.

I do, however, wonder what might happen to the boat now that I left no one to guard it.

10/10/2012, 06:43 pm	#32
Acadias Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 219	Well in Molly's defense Kenny and Lee did just try to jump her. My Lee actually won the fight. So yeah would you save the guys who just tried to Jump you? It's lucky for everyone that Clementine came. __________________ Sometimes I feel a bullet would solve all my problems

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10/05/2012, 12:55 pm	#22
Rock114 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: U.S. of A. Posts: 1,703	It actually seems quite out of character for Kenny to not be there to help Kat. Notice how he puts his family above even his own safety EVERY time it comes up. He was very nearly gutshot trying to get Duck away from Andy, and just played it off like it was nothing on the way back to the motel. I can't see why he WOULDN'T be there to save/help Kat. Seems more like a fault on the writer's part than Kenny's, given how much crap he goes through to keep Duck and Kat safe.

10/05/2012, 01:08 pm	#23
Dave of Canada Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 48	Kenny is impulsive and has difficulty accepting consequences, he always needs someone to approach and comfort him when he does something which burdens him. For example, he'll admit his guilt in the pharmacy after Hershel's farm and you can console him about it which causes him to admire you. Hell, he looks back at Katjaa after Shawn dies, basically looking for her acceptance. When you've finally thought he's moved on from Hershel's farm and he's just showing his family's best interests, Larry collapses and he offers you a logical point and asks you to back him up on bashing his head in. Why? He needs you to comfort him, he needs you to say "This is the right thing", he doesn't have Katja there to comfort him with her acceptance and he requires you to be there for him. When you're not, he--being impulsive--does so anyway but associates the act with you, he doesn't like you because your refusal to back him up only burdens him with more guilt. Lee becomes a personification of Kenny's guilt in the meat locker. It's why it seems at times that he hates Lee more than Lilly. Episode 3 only reinforces further that Kenny's actions for his family burden him greater than he lets on, he believes Hershel's farm is the reason for why Duck was bitten. Kenny is a flawed man who acts before he thinks, he's lost everything and the only person that's left from the original group for him is Lee, the man who believes in him or the man who sees him as a monster (despite Lee possibly trying to make amends). My two cents.

10/10/2012, 06:29 am	#25
Tracerhaha Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 38	I sided with kenny through most of the episodes, helped him kill Larry, fought with him on the train (even though I was trying not to). And he still refused to go with me to save Clem. I think it all comes down to wheather or not you saved Duck at the farm ( I didn't).

10/10/2012, 09:32 am	#27
bazenji Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 116	Kenny: "Why should I care about Molly?" Lee: "She saved your life..." Kenny: "Yeah, but what has she done for me lately?" That's Kenny, in his own words.

10/10/2012, 04:00 pm	#29
NikolajDeluke Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Kirkwall, Orkney Posts: 50	Lol. Totally random, but a friend of mine thinks that Lee and Kenny should become gay lovers, LOL. Because if I read correctly, Gavin Hammon is gay. That is, if there aren't two Gavin's.

10/10/2012, 06:16 pm	#30
SwordOfWar Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 15	Kenny is an asshole. He wanted you to drop Ben to his death. Just because I don't agree with Kenny 100% he sometimes will choose not to assist you when you really need it. I hate Ben and think a lot of his decisions put my group at risk, but that is not enough motive to just feed him to the zombies. He still deserves better than that. I want him to die because he fails himself, not because I just decided to kill him.

10/10/2012, 06:19 pm	#31
Rock114 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: U.S. of A. Posts: 1,703	Yeah, Molly WAS going to let both of us die horribly in the alley. The only reason she saved us was because of Clem, and even then she didn't give two shits about Lee or Kenny. It was all for Clem.

10/10/2012, 06:46 pm	#33
Rock114 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: U.S. of A. Posts: 1,703	Lucky for "everyone" and lucky for "everyone who's not Molly" are two different things.

10/10/2012, 07:55 pm	#35
ashesandwine Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 18	I hate him because he didn't help me back at the barn with one of the brothers in episode 2 and many more others when walkers were on me. In episode 5, I didn't even shoot the walker that grabbed him haha.

10/10/2012, 08:17 pm	#37
VenicStorm Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 16	In episode 4 he's still pretty pissy no matter what and you won't get any messages that say "Kenny appreciates your sympathy" even if you're best friends with him. He doesn't get more selfless either, even though his family is gone. Although he still has his fondness of Clementine like everyone in the group.

10/10/2012, 09:09 pm	#38
J0k3rr Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 10	Originally I let go of Ben and told Kenny "I need him..." when trying to gather a party to go look for Clem. He gave me the whole spiel about how I haven't been there for him at times and stayed with the boat even when I've sided with him over 98% of the time throughout the entire game. I ended up going with Omid and Christa (or whatever her name is). I decided to play the last two chapters of episode 4 over and saved Ben instead, which should have (and did) piss Kenny off even more. However, during the confrontation about the bite/Clem, I decided to say "Clementine is my family..." and after Kenny gave his whole spiel again he sympathized with me and decided to come instead. He did, however, have a gripe when I asked Ben to come but I told him to deal with it and reminded Ben of how Clem stood up for him, so the kid decided to come along as well. In the end, I got the whole team to come with me when I went back. I believe that it really comes down to your final choice of words to Kenny during that last conversation. Unless, I suspect, you've been a dick to Kenny throughout the episodes, but who knows. I do, however, wonder what might happen to the boat now that I left no one to guard it.