Anybody Mad at Clem?

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by BlankCanvasDJ

First of all, she's what...eight? I'd say she's behaving pretty well consider it's a zombie apocalypse. Also...



No, Itsmearmani is right. Granted, I've only witnessed one death in my life but it was enough to know that not everybody responds with anger. People handle things differently, including death.

Especially during a zombie apocalypse.

So, if you slept with somebody with HIV/AIDS and they knew they had it and didn't tell you, and you contracted the virus, you wouldn't be mad?

If you knew you were going to die tomorrow for whatever reason you wouldn't be mad?

Get real.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by ItsMeArmani

I agree. I would gladly forfeit my life to save hers or anybody elses.

I think you misread what he wrote. More importantly, sacrificing yourself is different than having death thrust upon you. There is no noble sacrifice in Lee's death. It's just terrible timing., like getting hit by a bus.

[Dave of Canada]

If your possible responses to her vary, I'd blame her if she ran off willingly and rub the bite in her face.

[Eguro]

And what if your death had been coming a long time - you'd gotten to say goodbye, you had a streak of experience near the end and finally was able to face death in peace?
Does that seem that impossible to you? Why must [I]everyone[\i] be mad at their time of death?

Also finding out someone infected you with HIV/AIDS and responding with anger to that, isn't the same as responding to anger when facing your death.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by Eguro

And what if your death had been coming a long time - you'd gotten to say goodbye, you had a streak of experience near the end and finally was able to face death in peace?
Does that seem that impossible to you? Why must [I]everyone[\i] be mad at their time of death?

Also finding out someone infected you with HIV/AIDS and responding with anger to that, isn't the same as responding to anger when facing your death.

First, I'm not claiming a person is always mad, but anger at some point for some length is expected.

Second, the HIV/AIDS example is relevant b/c it's an infection, and there's a lot of information about it, but it's an analogy not worth dwelling on or arguing about. All analogies fail at some point. Let's focus on the bigger point.

[Eguro]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

First, I'm not claiming a person is always mad, but anger at some point for some length is expected.

Second, the HIV/AIDS example is relevant b/c it's an infection, and there's a lot of information about it, but it's an analogy not worth dwelling on or arguing about. All analogies fail at some point. Let's focus on the bigger point.

So your point is that people who know they've gotten a death sentence, will at some point feel anger?

Because I think I agree with that.

The way I read your posts, it sounded like you meant that whenever anyone - ever - was about to die, they'd just get really angry and then die...

If that's what you mean, then I still disagree.

But yeah, the first thing, I think is valid enough.

[ITIATT]

Jesus!!?!!?! Lee is dieing and you're all just sitting here. Someone do something!

[Couldn't_Make_It_Up]

Yeah episode 4 she just winds me up, forever doing things you tell her not to!!

Hopefully now after Lee's death it will forever be a burden on her and she will learn that if she disobeys somebodies instructions people will die!!

[cormoran]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

kidnapped.

That's the operational word.

Outside of a scam or a wierd sex fetish people don't tend to get kidnapped willingly. Hardly her fault for someone hopping over the backyard fence and kidnapping her.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by cormoran

That's the operational word.

Outside of a scam or a wierd sex fetish people don't tend to get kidnapped willingly. Hardly her fault for someone hopping over the backyard fence and kidnapping her.

1. You just made that up. We don't know what happened, if she went willingly or not.
2. Lee drummed it into her head how dangerous it was and she still put herself in harms way. If she had stayed in the house, like she was supposed to, none of this would have happened so it's easy to fault her. Being young and naive doesn't absovle her of anything.

[ITIATT]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

1. You just made that up. We don't know what happened, if she went willingly or not.
2. Lee drummed it into her head how dangerous it was and she still put herself in harms way. If she had stayed in the house, like she was supposed to, none of this would have happened so it's easy to fault her. Being young and naive doesn't absovle her of anything.

In the end she's just a kid who doesn't learn. Maybe this is what it takes for her to realize how unsafe the world is. (If she even lives.). Im more upset when I reached out to hug her in the office she denied me

Mad that i'm bit,mad that clems gone, but not mad she left. Maybe if she was some teenage brat I was taking care off.

[cormoran]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

1. You just made that up. We don't know what happened, if she went willingly or not.
2. Lee drummed it into her head how dangerous it was and she still put herself in harms way. If she had stayed in the house, like she was supposed to, none of this would have happened so it's easy to fault her. Being young and naive doesn't absovle her of anything.

You're the one who said she was kidnapped. Here's the quote in it's entirety.

Originally Posted by Red Panda

She's being doing it anyway all season and now she's kidnapped.

You didn't say "and now she's gone and run off with some guy.". The word kidnap has a very specific meaning.

As for evidence of her being kidnapped, both her hat and the walkie talkie had been dropped. this implies to me that she was either struggling or was unconscious and being carried away in haste. If she left willingly those wouldn't have been so carelessly strewn about. If the guy wanted to leave the walkie talkie somewhere he knew it'd be found he'd have left it sitting at the back door.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by cormoran

You're the one who said she was kidnapped. Here's the quote in it's entirety.



You didn't say "and now she's gone and run off with some guy.". The word kidnap has a very specific meaning.

As for evidence of her being kidnapped, both her hat and the walkie talkie had been dropped. this implies to me that she was either struggling or was unconscious and being carried away in haste. If she left willingly those wouldn't have been so carelessly strewn about. If the guy wanted to leave the walkie talkie somewhere he knew it'd be found he'd have left it sitting at the back door.

Obviously she's kidnapped. Haven't you ever seen how these things happen? "Oh, kid, I have some candy! Just come with me." In this case it's parents, but surprise surprise! They're kidnapped. She can go willingly and still be kidnapped.

The point is she disobeyed and went outside and now she's in trouble. You can't deny that. And now you're going to die b/c of it.

[Acadias]

Still I can't believe none of the adults stopped it.

You would think someone would always be watching the one door, but hey.

[ITIATT]

Just curious but who would you guys rather save? Yourself or clem? I mean I did nothing to harm her and always wanted her to live as long as I could. At points I thought to myself I would save her instead of myself. Then for whatever reason I find myself wanting to save myself, and just as those thoughts started to roll in...I get bitten. I mean if I could play as Lee in the second season if clem dies then so be it. I would be upset but would rather have Lee live. Oh well guess that's why they made you get bitten so the only thing you care about is saving clem and not yourself.

[Acadias]

Originally Posted by ITIATT

Just curious but who would you guys rather save? Yourself or clem? I mean I did nothing to harm her and always wanted her to live as long as I could. At points I thought to myself I would save her instead of myself. Then for whatever reason I find myself wanting to save myself, and just as those thoughts started to roll in...I get bitten. I mean if I could play as Lee in the second season if clem dies then so be it. I would be upset but would rather have Lee live. Oh well guess that's why they made you get bitten so the only thing you care about is saving clem and not yourself.

Clementine of course, shes pretty much the reason of living.

[cormoran]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

Obviously she's kidnapped. Haven't you ever seen how these things happen? "Oh, kid, I have some candy! Just come with me." In this case it's parents, but surprise surprise! They're kidnapped. She can go willingly and still be kidnapped.

The point is she disobeyed and went outside and now she's in trouble. You can't deny that. And now you're going to die b/c of it.

There were four adults and one teenager in that house, none of them bothered to watch her in the slightest. Lee himself sat his lazy arse down and went to sleep. As adults they hold more responsibility to allowing her to be kidnapped than she did. They knew the situation and chose to not bother keeping an eye on her anyways.

In the end though, the only real person to blame, the one you should be angry at, the one Lee seemed angry at, is the kidnapper.

Seriously, what is it with some of the people here constantly blaming and getting angry at the victims in this game?

[Acadias]

Originally Posted by cormoran

There were four adults and one teenager in that house, none of them bothered to watch her in the slightest. Lee himself sat his lazy arse down and went to sleep. As adults they hold more responsibility to allowing her to be kidnapped than she did. They knew the situation and chose to not bother keeping an eye on her anyways.

In the end though, the only real person to blame, the one you should be angry at, the one Lee seemed angry at, is the kidnapper.

Seriously, what is it with some of the people here constantly blaming and getting angry at the victims in this game?

I'm mad at the Kidnapper and all the Adults, I mean really no one is watching the door at all.

Chuck was right this group is going to die, with the way they handle things.

[Merc]

I'm only mad at Ben. Only because of the fact I gave him ONE job to do right. ONE JOB. "Protect Clementine."

HOW AFTER SAVING YOUR LIFE COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME, SCUMBAG STEVE?!

[Rock114]

I'll be ok with it as long as she actually finds her mom, or gets somewhere safe. I know she'll blame herself for it, but as long as she's ok in the end, I won't hate her.