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MissDRJ · 10/11/2012, 02:15 am

I think Lee has to die in order to usher in a new story and characters. In the second season I think we will play as the sheriff or that little Asian guy. But I was very angry when I saw the bite mark.

Ialddiir · 10/11/2012, 02:39 am

My guess is they ALL die except Clem, and in the end she get saved by a new group (her mom might be one of them) wish will appear to be next season group. That might be a good way to link the first and second season.

Xebioz · 10/11/2012, 04:17 am

I don't really care whether Lee dies or we play as him in the next season. What will piss me off though is if we get a new character and they kill him off as well in the second season to end it off.

Then it would just feel like a cheap gimmick to be 'edgy' and 'dark'. But that said, bring on episode 5.

LokiHavok · 10/11/2012, 04:20 am

Sheriff or the small Asian guy???
I hope you're not referring to who I think you're referring to...

Saracenar · 10/11/2012, 04:22 am

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Originally Posted by MissDRJ

I think Lee has to die in order to usher in a new story and characters. In the second season I think we will play as the sheriff or that little Asian guy. But I was very angry when I saw the bite mark.

Telltale will never have us play as Rick or Glenn. That storyline is for the comics and the TV series. They are handling original characters.

shedim · 10/11/2012, 07:08 am

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Originally Posted by Sir Fruitcakes

Wrong franchise, i'm sorry you expected a good ending man

Read afew chapters of the walking dead comic, It isn't leading up to a good ending.

Wrong franchise my ...

The only problem is gaming developers thinking grimdark/depressing endings are totally cool, artistic, creative and hipster. Just have a look at Mass Effect 3 how great their fabulous grimdark red/blue/green slap to the face ending turned out to be.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with Lee dieing when his death is for a good cause, such as getting the choice to sacrifice himself for Clementine. But since they decided to railroad Lee to death, just like they did with Carley, his inevitable death is just frustrating, lame and boring. This isn't a graphic novel or a movie, this is a computer game after all! Make it interactive, not passive! If The Walking Rollercoaster was a bad game, I wouldn't bother complaining but since it isn't, it's just a shame they dump Lee just like that.

Intelligent storywriting in computer games is creating depression without frustrating players, instead of just smashing everyone with the pain train they could left the choice of survival or sacrifice to the player. Instead, they sentenced him to death for no reason. This is the Mass Effect-Effect: Knowing your protagonist is going to die no matter what you do just kills off any potential replay value this game ever has. What's the point in playing Episode 5, since Lee's going to end up dead, anyway?

Eguro · 10/11/2012, 07:15 am

The point would be to choose to sacrifice yourself to save Clementine instead of choosing the easy way out, which would be resigning yourself to zombi-fication.
His being bitten will probably take out a bit of the dilemma with sacrificing himself for Clementine - since he's dead anyway. But then again - for me at least - that's not really a dilemma at all.

Come to think of it - maybe it comes down to sacrificing himself for either Clementine or the group - or Clementine's parent(s) or the group.

Rodia · 10/11/2012, 07:34 am

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Oh and I forgot to mention, how are they going to replace Lee in the announced second season of the game when everyone's grown attached to him and what not?

I was honestly more attached to Molly than I was to Lee. I want her to teach me that CQC shit.

chaz99 · 10/11/2012, 07:38 am

I find it a bit much that Clem deserts Lee, as if he didn't matter. The bleakness of this story line is getting to be a bit much, even for an existentialist like me.

I'll wager that Lee is going to die and Clem shoots him in the head. Prediction for Episode 5. Any takers?

chaz99 · 10/11/2012, 07:41 am

Now that I know that Lee is a dead duck I'm gonna rewind and let Ben fall. Lee's dead, so what's the point of letting that cockroach live?

Besides, Clem deserts Lee and runs off with whoever. C'est la guerre.

distortion · 10/11/2012, 08:29 am

I don't think Clem deserted Lee. I think she was captured. At first we think it's the doctor (can't remember his name), but his voice and the voice on the walkie are definitely not the same. So we're waiting to find out who it was. But Clem would never willingly leave Lee behind. Sure she's headstrong, like when she climbed through the dog door, but there's a huge difference between that and just plain running off. She was taken, and we need to get her back.

Also, I think Lee was bitten in order to open up new possibilities for the second season. I think we'll be playing as Clem, maybe a few years older and wiser than she is now, and her struggled to survive without Lee to look after her. If any of the other characters from this game are in it too I don't know, we'll see how many of them survive episode 5, but I think Clem will become our main protagonist.

Ern · 10/11/2012, 08:33 am

I liked the story but can't help but notice telltale has now played our emotions on the 2 guys we only really care about Lee and Clementine. It would have been nice for at least Doug/Carley to still be around.

then the only interesting new character leaves

Eguro · 10/11/2012, 08:36 am

I've just said it in another thread, but as Clems hat is in the yard, it seems likely she simply went out there - perhaps to be alone - and was then approached/kidnapped from there.
Perhaps she used the walkie-talkie, but she wouldn't leave her hat behind!

ToSch · 10/11/2012, 08:56 am

I'm pretty sure Lee is dead meat. It wouldn't be The Walking Dead otherwise. Everything that is based on something Kirkman wrote must spread misery, otherwise he won't be happy.

ITIATT · 10/11/2012, 08:59 am

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Originally Posted by ToSch

I'm pretty sure Lee is dead meat. It wouldn't be The Walking Dead otherwise. Everything that is based on something Kirkman wrote must spread misery, otherwise he won't be happy.

Yes but you must think the classic walking dead thing to do would be to kill people you care about around you. NOT YOU. I seriously thought they would kill clem before me just to put that emotion inside you to carry on.

Demonseed · 10/11/2012, 09:34 am

I certainly didn't expect to get bit like that, I would have preferred a cut-scene where you actually saw yourself get bit. I was shocked as I didn't even see it happen. However since we've lost most of the original group already, having Lee die or get bit always was high on my list of potential risks.

And to the poster that commented on how developers make their games end the way they want to.....that is why they write the story. Not every ending in games and books end on a happy note. I myself enjoy endings like this from time to time, it gets old always having the happy-happy, joy-joy ending all the time.

LokiHavok · 10/11/2012, 09:48 am

Happy endings are rare in the world we all live in. I don't expect them to be abundant in a world where the dead have risen to chomp on the flesh of the living.

Anyways, I don't think we've got the creds to be giving TTG storyline writing advice.
The guy who wrote these episodes is a professional. Wrote Book of Eli and prolly some other stuff. Pretty sure he's more qualified than any armchair critic.

ITIATT · 10/11/2012, 09:50 am

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Originally Posted by LokiHavok

Happy endings are rare in the world we all live in. I don't expect them to be abundant in a world where the dead have risen to chomp on the flesh of the living.

Anyways, I don't think we've got the creds to be giving TTG storyline writing advice.
The guy who wrote these episodes is a professional. Wrote Book of Eli and prolly some other stuff. Pretty sure he's more qualified than any armchair critic.

No one is really telling them how to write it. At least I wasn't. I just expected Lee to live and have most around him die. Didn't think that this group would most likely all die in season 1.

Jokieman · 10/11/2012, 09:54 am

The Walking Dead is pretty grim, and there are few "Happy" moments. So yeah, Lee's Dead.

I recently watched Season 1 and 2 on Netflix. And am really interested in Season 3. Traditionally I hate Graphic Novels, but I am even thinking about getting those too.

kirby18 · 10/11/2012, 09:56 am

Its a toss up for me. obviously I want tt to be credible but I want Lee to survive more so. So I think if they added a way for Lee to survive, I wouldnt be upset...ie maybe the zombie that bit him had something special, maybe it didnt fully bite him. I want to watch the scene again and see if its clear the zombie ACTUALLY bit Lee.

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10/11/2012, 02:15 am	#21
MissDRJ Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4	I think Lee has to die in order to usher in a new story and characters. In the second season I think we will play as the sheriff or that little Asian guy. But I was very angry when I saw the bite mark.

10/11/2012, 04:17 am	#23
Xebioz Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 65	I don't really care whether Lee dies or we play as him in the next season. What will piss me off though is if we get a new character and they kill him off as well in the second season to end it off. Then it would just feel like a cheap gimmick to be 'edgy' and 'dark'. But that said, bring on episode 5.

10/11/2012, 04:20 am	#24
LokiHavok Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 231	Sheriff or the small Asian guy??? I hope you're not referring to who I think you're referring to...

10/11/2012, 07:15 am	#27
Eguro Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 10	The point would be to choose to sacrifice yourself to save Clementine instead of choosing the easy way out, which would be resigning yourself to zombi-fication. His being bitten will probably take out a bit of the dilemma with sacrificing himself for Clementine - since he's dead anyway. But then again - for me at least - that's not really a dilemma at all. Come to think of it - maybe it comes down to sacrificing himself for either Clementine or the group - or Clementine's parent(s) or the group.

10/11/2012, 07:38 am	#29
chaz99 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 145	I find it a bit much that Clem deserts Lee, as if he didn't matter. The bleakness of this story line is getting to be a bit much, even for an existentialist like me. I'll wager that Lee is going to die and Clem shoots him in the head. Prediction for Episode 5. Any takers?

10/11/2012, 07:41 am	#30
chaz99 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 145	Now that I know that Lee is a dead duck I'm gonna rewind and let Ben fall. Lee's dead, so what's the point of letting that cockroach live? Besides, Clem deserts Lee and runs off with whoever. C'est la guerre.

10/11/2012, 08:29 am	#31
distortion Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 145	I don't think Clem deserted Lee. I think she was captured. At first we think it's the doctor (can't remember his name), but his voice and the voice on the walkie are definitely not the same. So we're waiting to find out who it was. But Clem would never willingly leave Lee behind. Sure she's headstrong, like when she climbed through the dog door, but there's a huge difference between that and just plain running off. She was taken, and we need to get her back. Also, I think Lee was bitten in order to open up new possibilities for the second season. I think we'll be playing as Clem, maybe a few years older and wiser than she is now, and her struggled to survive without Lee to look after her. If any of the other characters from this game are in it too I don't know, we'll see how many of them survive episode 5, but I think Clem will become our main protagonist.

10/11/2012, 08:33 am	#32
Ern Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 13	I liked the story but can't help but notice telltale has now played our emotions on the 2 guys we only really care about Lee and Clementine. It would have been nice for at least Doug/Carley to still be around. then the only interesting new character leaves

10/11/2012, 08:36 am	#33
Eguro Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 10	I've just said it in another thread, but as Clems hat is in the yard, it seems likely she simply went out there - perhaps to be alone - and was then approached/kidnapped from there. Perhaps she used the walkie-talkie, but she wouldn't leave her hat behind!

10/11/2012, 08:56 am	#34
ToSch Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 20	I'm pretty sure Lee is dead meat. It wouldn't be The Walking Dead otherwise. Everything that is based on something Kirkman wrote must spread misery, otherwise he won't be happy.

10/11/2012, 09:34 am	#36
Demonseed Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 164	I certainly didn't expect to get bit like that, I would have preferred a cut-scene where you actually saw yourself get bit. I was shocked as I didn't even see it happen. However since we've lost most of the original group already, having Lee die or get bit always was high on my list of potential risks. And to the poster that commented on how developers make their games end the way they want to.....that is why they write the story. Not every ending in games and books end on a happy note. I myself enjoy endings like this from time to time, it gets old always having the happy-happy, joy-joy ending all the time.

10/11/2012, 09:48 am	#37
LokiHavok Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 231	Happy endings are rare in the world we all live in. I don't expect them to be abundant in a world where the dead have risen to chomp on the flesh of the living. Anyways, I don't think we've got the creds to be giving TTG storyline writing advice. The guy who wrote these episodes is a professional. Wrote Book of Eli and prolly some other stuff. Pretty sure he's more qualified than any armchair critic.

10/11/2012, 09:54 am	#39
Jokieman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 155	The Walking Dead is pretty grim, and there are few "Happy" moments. So yeah, Lee's Dead. I recently watched Season 1 and 2 on Netflix. And am really interested in Season 3. Traditionally I hate Graphic Novels, but I am even thinking about getting those too.

10/11/2012, 09:56 am	#40
kirby18 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 268	Its a toss up for me. obviously I want tt to be credible but I want Lee to survive more so. So I think if they added a way for Lee to survive, I wouldnt be upset...ie maybe the zombie that bit him had something special, maybe it didnt fully bite him. I want to watch the scene again and see if its clear the zombie ACTUALLY bit Lee.