[SPOILERS]The Walking Dead Episode 4 REVIEW Thread

[bdawgnit1785]

Just a quick question...can molly actually die or just be left behind. Cuz I wanted to kill her in one of my saves so if she could come back for ep 5 she wont but even shot that ninja escaped i swear it

[ChickVelcro]

Some of you really need to have a word with yourselves. You let Ben die 'cos he made some mistakes. He never intentionally hurt the group, he's just a coward and a bit of an idiot.

He gave supplies to the bandits as he thought that was the best way to keep them at bay. It might've turned out to be a bad move, but his intention was to help. He did what he thought was best.

Nothing he did even comes close to deliberately letting go of a man's hand and letting him fall to his death, when you had every chance of saving him.

So to punish a man for making a few dodgy decisions that inadvertantly led to a couple of characters dying, you deliberately kill a man?

Great logic!

[lucidity02]

Originally Posted by ChickVelcro

Nothing he did even comes close to deliberately letting go of a man's hand and letting him fall to his death, when you had every chance of saving him.

So to punish a man for making a few dodgy decisions that inadvertantly led to a couple of characters dying, you deliberately kill a man?

Great logic!

To be fair, I was VERY forgiving of Ben in episode three, even though I realized then that he was very clearly a raging fuckup. But on my playthrough of episode four, he was also a defensive, smug little tool who screwed up multiple times on the one incredibly simple task I gave him. I'd been spoiled before playing that you can let him drop, and I was seriously considering it. But I didn't, because once again, Clementine informed my decisions.

Even so, one could argue that Ben WANTED to be dropped so he could distract the other zombies and buy Lee & Co. more time to get away, which wouldn't make it a punishment -- it would make it a noble gesture from someone who had sorta effed things up from the start.

[United 23]

Originally Posted by ChickVelcro

Some of you really need to have a word with yourselves. You let Ben die 'cos he made some mistakes. He never intentionally hurt the group, he's just a coward and a bit of an idiot.

He gave supplies to the bandits as he thought that was the best way to keep them at bay. It might've turned out to be a bad move, but his intention was to help. He did what he thought was best.

Nothing he did even comes close to deliberately letting go of a man's hand and letting him fall to his death, when you had every chance of saving him.

So to punish a man for making a few dodgy decisions that inadvertantly led to a couple of characters dying, you deliberately kill a man?

Great logic!

There are only so many mistakes one can make before I have to draw the line. Ben indirectly caused the deaths of Carley/Doug, Duck, Katjaa, Chuck, Brie and depending on your playthrough, Molly. Almost every character that you can build a connection with that dies is as a result of a silly decision by Ben.

Also he wanted to be let go. He wanted to help the group escape and finally make a right decision. I did feel bad that the fall didn't kill him. To have him break his legs and then get chomped on was a bit too far for me but that was the way it had to be.

I know his heart was in the right place but his decision-making was truly horrible. I agree that dropping him was a little too far but for me he had to go and there was no option in the game to simply let him leave the group. It was either drop him to the zombies or have him in your group. With diminished numbers and the situation involving Clem and Lee, I can't afford Ben slipping up anymore.

Like I said, if he could have left the group alive I would have went with that but unfortunately for him, it was the drop or nothing.

[epicdsl]

i sided with kenny the hole time . i agreed to kill larry etc . i think we did have a fight about something on the train but other then that i saved his ass millions of times and then at the end he spits in my face and doesnt come with me to look for clem . well next episode im gonna let him die in the gutter like the redneck trash he is .. i let ben die because he just puts everyone in danger . he isnt work keeping around he is useless.

[bdawgnit1785]

Originally Posted by epicdsl

i sided with kenny the hole time . i agreed to kill larry etc . i think we did have a fight about something on the train but other then that i saved his ass millions of times and then at the end he spits in my face and doesnt come with me to look for clem . well next episode im gonna let him die in the gutter like the redneck trash he is .. i let ben die because he just puts everyone in danger . he isnt work keeping around he is useless.

its possible you have the save glitch which gives you random choices instead of yours. had to delete/re-install mine to get rid of it.

[RobtMyers]

Originally Posted by ChickVelcro

Some of you really need to have a word with yourselves. You let Ben die 'cos he made some mistakes. He never intentionally hurt the group, he's just a coward and a bit of an idiot.

He gave supplies to the bandits as he thought that was the best way to keep them at bay. It might've turned out to be a bad move, but his intention was to help. He did what he thought was best.

I too saved Ben, but I have to disagree with you somewhat. I'm not sure I'd say he didn't intentionally hurt the group. He's clearly displayed his cowardice enough times that I think he made the deal with the bandits and covered it up to protect his own sorry hide. I don't think he had the interests of the group at heart then.

So while I was wondering why I saved him I remembered the iron-clad sureness with which I ditched Lily and realized the difference.

While competent in a fight, Lily went beyond the moral event horizon with her first words in episode one: She wanted to abandon three adults and two children to the dead simply because she was a control freak who was more concerned with the pecking order than what the right thing to do was. Murdering Carly was the cherry on the top of her sundae of badness.

Ben of course did just about as much damage. But while he is stupid, cowardly and weak, he clearly doesn't want to be. Unlike Lily he knows the difference between right and wrong and, even if he's usually gone with wrong, it's eating away at him. That could be the beginning of some moral fiber for a high school kid whose biggest problem before the outbreak was probably how to talk to girls.

So Ben can see the path and wants to walk it and is therefore redeemable. If he had begged to be saved when he was dangling over that pit I ... I probably would have still pulled him up, though I would have been angrier at him. He is just a teenager after all, and myopic selfishness is one of the last things people grow out of. That's if they ever manage it at all, see Kenny and Lily.

And as paradoxical as it sounds, telling Kenny what he did, let alone doing it then, came from a desire to make things right. Sad to think the kid still thinks apologizing can correct something like that. He'll have to live with the consequences of his actions for the rest of his life.

Heh. Just like us players.

Aaaaanyway…

So apparently the entire story has been about this: Lee's redemption for whatever he did before the outbreak by giving up everything to save Clem.

At this point, I almost feel sorry for the SOB who's got Clem. Lee is the Walking Dead himself now and doesn't have much time. I for one wouldn't want to get in his way.

Here's hoping he goes full Batman on that bastard.

[TRex0311]

I just finished playing episode 4 and am still in shock. I can't believe Lee was bitten, When the walker shot out from cover I though "Oh damn it! He better not have gotten me!" When I saw the bite my heart sank. I have grown pretty attached to Lee and once he was bitten I immediatly thought about what was going to happen to Clem. Kenny, Omid, and Christa came with me to find her, I let go of Ben. At first I wasn't sure what to think of him, he was a kid who was jumpy and didn't seem like he could handle himself in tense situations. Then after Carley was killed and Ben told me later he was responsible I wanted to shove his lying ass of the train!! He was the reason Kenny's family died and it was stated in episode 4 that he was the reason. He even left Clem alone surrounded by walkers!! When I got the opportunity to drop Ben I took it. A guy like that needed had no business with the group because he would have gotten everyone killed. I want to know when episode 5 is coming out because I really want to see how this ends and how Lee will punch out. If it were me I would want to die before I turned at the hands of a friend. Only after I knew Clem would be cared for though.

[savi]

I don't know about everyone else but from killing the starving kid/zombie, finding out Clementine was kidnapped, and that Lee is bit; I was like,



whyyyyyy cruel gaming world

[Wilder41]

Before lee goes walker. I want him trapped in the room with the bastard who took Clem...

[Hazevamp]

I came here to try and find a way to prevent Lee from getting bitten but it looks like it will happen no matter what.

As for my choices. I let Ben go because he ran off and let Clementine get surrounded. In the end Ben cares only about himself and I never want to look to him for help cause he'll never give it or be of any use. Plus there was limited space on the boat so if I had to pick who doesn't get a ride it would be him, anyway. It's sad that he broke his legs and didn't die, that sucked but whatever, I would never trust him and he's more of a danger to the group than the walkers.

I chose to leave Molly, she was too iffy and I didn't even know if I could save her.

I also chose to hide my bite out of fear the group would not help me with Clem. Everyone went with me including Kenny even though I didn't have his back all the time, but I guess I agreed with him when it really mattered which probably affected his decision. I agreed with him to leave Lily, I stayed with him to find the boat, et al. Also to leave Savannah instead of staying in that house another day.

at the end I chose "What do you want from me!?"

I so want that butt hole on the radio to get stomped by Lee!

[RobtMyers]

Originally Posted by Hoqt

I have a gut feeling that he is the one who kidnapped Clem. He is acting weird in the game and hardly talk. He alone was on the game screen for more than 3 seconds.

Why on Earth would Bill Cosby do something like that?

[Hayzer]

Originally Posted by Natalie1213

The choices in this episode were pretty agonizing. I was lost between what to choose, which would be more morally correct, what would happen if I chose this or that, which would be better.
I was so angry at Ben when he said that Katjaa and Duck's deaths were his fault twice and never mentioned Carley (Doug if he's on your playthrough). I'll hope for a Carley or Doug reference in Episode 5. I got extremely mad at Ben in lots of instances. I think this episode really did great at fueling your anger for Ben to make the big decision near the end all the more powerful.
Honestly, this episode was fantastic. At first I didn't like the new girl, nor did I like her half way through the ep much, but by the end I thought she was pretty alright. I liked her, and liked the rest of the cast. This episode also made me like Christa a bit, and it's great that Omid stuck around and is better. I was so sad when I saw Chuck in the sewer though, my god. I knew he wasn't gonna make it. ):
Being pro-Kenny, he's going with me along with Christa and Omid to save Clementine. I didn't have his back a few times though, and even those choices mattered as he told me that sometimes I didn't have his back! Amazing.
I let Ben die because he's the reason Carley died, and I never felt any sympathy for him at all. However, when it came to the moment where I either saved him or let him die, I was actually shocked. I shocked myself, because I've always hated Ben SO much and always have gone about how much I wanted him to die in ep 4, and yet at that moment I panicked so much and didn't know whether I should let him stay or not. In the end though, I let him die. Because I'll always be upset about how my favorite character died because of him. But I made a separate copy in which I saved Ben just to see the differences, though he refused to go with me to save Clementine because I was always just the biggest ass to him, which is understandable.
I started crying when Lee got bitten. I just couldn't believe it, and I love Lee so much as a character. He's my favorite protagonist out of all of the games that I have played, and it was so fast and sudden. Now I can see why episode 5 is named "No Time Left". ):
My favorite episode is still episode 1, but episode 4 was really great! Even if the new TWD ep became your new favorite episode or not, no TWD episode disappoints!

They say season 2 Is coming out but if Lee Dies, who are you going to play as? Clementine?she somehow gets older and knows how to take care of herself... I can't wait for Episode 5. Incredible.

[2-_-DEAD]

Just finished it again and everybody came with methis time. I have a bad feeling that Ben is gonna fuck something up because it said "you have talked Ben into coming" that means it will prob impact the story 8(. That can't be good with Ben!

[2-_-DEAD]

Originally Posted by RobtMyers

Why on Earth would Bill Cosby do something like that?

That looks nothing like Bill Cosby lol.

[Axedquestion]

I loved this episode to death, but it felt like Telltale was focusing a bit too much on the action and a bit too little on the puzzles. I can't remember any puzzle that was as big or good as that motor inn puzzle in the first episode.

Pretty solid 8, like most of the series.

[Saoralba131]

Did anyone else think Lee might not have gotten bitten by the zombie if he was still wearing the jacket from episode 2 or an equally good jacket,or even a better one?

[RobtMyers]

Originally Posted by 2-_-DEAD

That looks nothing like Bill Cosby lol.

Sure his hair is longer, but there's certain to be a shortage of barbers in a zombie apocalypse.

But for further evidence, check his sweater.

[Heartburnkid]

The one old black guy looks like Morgan Freeman.

[SaveCarley]

Originally Posted by Heartburnkid

The one old black guy looks like Morgan Freeman.

With weird hair like that crazy lady in the woods.