TTG really messed up the Kenny/Lee dynamic

[marcu5]

Originally Posted by Macon Bacon

The way I see it though, Kenny was absolutely right but it was Lilly's dad man. I can't just kill the dude before he turns because of that.

im still not convinced larry was dead. if he was going to turn, allow him to turn then drop the salt lick.

that's another thing i would liked to call kenny on. hell, i wanted the option to kill duck w/o their permission like he did larry. the hypocrisy kenny displayed with bitten duck and unconscious larry is mindboggling.

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

the way i saw it was that kenny is in a bad mood (understandably) and just gives a snarky comment, more a joke than an actual statement on how he believes the world works

That's what I thought too. Or maybe he was just embarrased that she knocked him on his ass.

[FollowLilly]

I think the thread should be called "Kenny really messed up the Kenny/Lee dynamic" instead

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by FollowLilly

I think the thread should be called "Kenny really messed up the Kenny/Lee dynamic" instead

To be fair, Kenny isn't writing the story. Which I think is good, considering I don't think he could even read that well.

[marcu5]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Best moment ever. He actually got scared and didn't see it coming at all

I think that Kenny's character is perfectly intact. Most of us predicted he's exactly the man he turned out to be ever since episode 2. If you failed to see it, or just didn't want to accept it... well that's your fault.
There is even a line in ep. 4 that is purposefully put there to tell you that all our analyses from F*** Kenny thread were correct. The line is something like this:
Lee: Molly saved your life man.
Kenny: So what? What has she done for me lately?

i'm not a kenny fan, you can find my post in that f*** kenny thread. i just think it was pretty stupid for all of his loyalty to fall on that one decision. it should be a far left, middle, far right. according to how often we've agreed or disagreed, kenny responds applicably.

[marcu5]

Originally Posted by Rock114

To be fair, Kenny isn't writing the story. Which I think is good, considering I don't think he could even read that well.

hah!

[Cyreen]

There's a scene in the school where Kenny and Ben are working on the Armory door and Kenny is busting Lee for giving Molly the battery and Lee points out that Molly had saved Kenny's ass twice, to which Kenny replies "Yeah, well what has she done for me lately?" That line summed up Kenny perfectly.

[IndigoHawk]

That line was funny. However, it was like a caption someone puts on a picture of Kenny, not what he says himself. Maybe Kenny doesn't realize how true it is.

[Zeruis]

Yeah, if you save Shawn and side with Larry in the drug store, but kill Larry in the meat locker, Kenny will act as a best bud to Lee. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, considering how the episode 1 choices that concerned his family are being out of light when compared to the meat locker situation.

[marcu5]

Originally Posted by Zeruis

Yeah, if you save Shawn and side with Larry in the drug store, but kill Larry in the meat locker, Kenny will act as a best bud to Lee. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, considering how the episode 1 choices that concerned his family are being out of light when compared to the meat locker situation.

exactly, it doesn't make any sense.

[lackingsaint]

I didn't help Kenny kill Larry either, but I did help him when shit was going down with his family. Hence, when I was trying to get him on board for saving Clem, I appealed to that by explaining that I helped his family, so he should do the same. What did you guys do, just tell him he NEEDED to help? At the end of the day sometimes if you insist on yourself to someone who you've had disagreements with, maybe they won't risk their neck for you.

[Christoaster]

No issue here... This is how they build Kennys character. He's stubborn and it takes A LOT to ake him be satisfied with you. There are plenty of people like that in the world and that is how Kenny is.

Deal with it. It's either your all for Kenny or not.

Also Kenny doesn't appreciate anything really. When molly saves his life he's says "heh she hasn't done anything for me lately" in the classroom. This shows that you have to suck Kennys dick to get him on your side. But seriously he doesn't appreciate anything and he doesn't even appreciate someone SAVING HIS LIFE ESPECIALLY AFTER HE TRIED TO KILL HER!

It's all in the character development, very interesting.

[marcu5]

Originally Posted by lackingsaint

I didn't help Kenny kill Larry either, but I did help him when shit was going down with his family. Hence, when I was trying to get him on board for saving Clem, I appealed to that by explaining that I helped his family, so he should do the same. What did you guys do, just tell him he NEEDED to help? At the end of the day sometimes if you insist on yourself to someone who you've had disagreements with, maybe they won't risk their neck for you.

that's not the point, kenny came with me as well. it's the response you receive before you have to talk him into it.

[marcu5]

Originally Posted by Christoaster

No issue here... This is how they build Kennys character. He's stubborn and it takes A LOT to ake him be satisfied with you. There are plenty of people like that in the world and that is how Kenny is.

Deal with it. It's either your all for Kenny or not.

Also Kenny doesn't appreciate anything really. When molly saves his life he's says "heh she hasn't done anything for me lately" in the classroom. This shows that you have to suck Kennys dick to get him on your side. But seriously he doesn't appreciate anything and he doesn't even appreciate someone SAVING HIS LIFE ESPECIALLY AFTER HE TRIED TO KILL HER!

It's all in the character development, very interesting.

it's not about kenny, it's TTG. they made the larry decision way too important. i could understand if he held a grudge about me trying to kick duck out, or not feeding his boy, but not agreeing with him to kill larry? pfft.

[Viser]

Originally Posted by marcu5

it's not about kenny, it's TTG. they made the larry decision way too important. i could understand if he held a grudge about me trying to kick duck out, or not feeding his boy, but not agreeing with him to kill larry? pfft.

Because refusing to help him kill Larry potentially put his whole family in danger. If he died in there, who would save Kat and Duck? But since he kills Larry wheter you help him or not, I figured he wouldn't hold a grudge for so long. I guess I was very wrong, especially after he doesn't help you twice.

[marcu5]

Originally Posted by Viser

Because refusing to help him kill Larry potentially put his whole family in danger. If he died in there, who would save Kat and Duck? But since he kills Larry wheter you help him or not, I figured he wouldn't hold a grudge for so long. I guess I was very wrong, especially after he doesn't help you twice.

kenny didn't even save kat, that was me. i don't know where duck was during that time but considering i killed both brothers; you'd think kenny would be kissing my ass.

you're trying to justify TTG's poor writing. i get they wanted to make kennys character out to be a "what have you done for me lately" type of guy. just saying ALL of his loyalty should not be based on one decision. they should have atleast added a 3 point system, and went based on how many times we've agreed or disagreed. they should have made kenny irrational, loyal, or middle ground.

[corruptbiggins]

Why can't one decision be the deciding factor? It's very true to life for one thing. There are people who are very much all or nothing regarding relationships.

[Viser]

Originally Posted by marcu5

kenny didn't even save kat, that was me. i don't know where duck was during that time but considering i killed both brothers; you'd think kenny would be kissing my ass.

you're trying to justify TTG's poor writing. i get they wanted to make kennys character out to be a "what have you done for me lately" type of guy. just saying ALL of his loyalty should not be based on one decision. they should have atleast added a 3 point system, and went based on how many times we've agreed or disagreed. they should have made kenny irrational, loyal, or middle ground.

He didn't save Kat because apparently he went for Duck first. And he didn't even know what was happening inside the house. It's safe to say he thought about going through the backdoor (which is where Andy and Duck were), while Lee thought about the front door first. And he does try to save Duck, he even gets shot.
And yeah, I'm justifying it because to me it makes perfect sense. I completely disagree with it being poor writing. And about Kenny's personality, the first thing you see is that there isn't a middle ground... for instance, when you try to reason with Larry, Kenny sees it as going against him. Thought that was pretty obvious. To Kenny, you're either with him, or against him.

[Christoaster]

Originally Posted by marcu5

it's not about kenny, it's TTG. they made the larry decision way too important. i could understand if he held a grudge about me trying to kick duck out, or not feeding his boy, but not agreeing with him to kill larry? pfft.

Not really. You have to side with him in EVERYTHING. He's a selfish character.

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by Christoaster

Not really. You have to side with him in EVERYTHING. He's a selfish character.

False. I refused to steal the food from the car in Episode 2 and shot the girl in Episode 3. By shooting the girl, I put him directly in danger and he STILL came back to save me from the door. I pretty much assaulted him through everything up until I talked him down on the train, and even kept saying how we needed to take care of Duck, and even through all that he STILL gave me the "You're my friend, I have your back no matter what" speech at the end of 4. It's just the really big things you ahve to side with him on apparently, and I think he was right on everything but killing Ben.