TTG really messed up the Kenny/Lee dynamic

[dubesor]

I think you are being irrational here. I too didn't help kill Larry. That's not the deciding factor. Kenny still said I always had his back when it mattered and comes freely. There are for SURE several other occasions where you disagreed with him. I disagreed with him like 3 or 4 times but still he comes with me. And yes even tho I refused to kill Larry.

[Christoaster]

Originally Posted by Rock114

False. I refused to steal the food from the car in Episode 2 and shot the girl in Episode 3. By shooting the girl, I put him directly in danger and he STILL came back to save me from the door. I pretty much assaulted him through everything up until I talked him down on the train, and even kept saying how we needed to take care of Duck, and even through all that he STILL gave me the "You're my friend, I have your back no matter what" speech at the end of 4. It's just the really big things you ahve to side with him on apparently, and I think he was right on everything but killing Ben.

I mean, not EVERYTHING. Most of the most noticeable ones.

[BlankCanvasDJ]

Originally Posted by dubesor

I think you are being irrational here. I too didn't help kill Larry. That's not the deciding factor. Kenny still said I always had his back when it mattered and comes freely. There are for SURE several other occasions where you disagreed with him. I disagreed with him like 3 or 4 times but still he comes with me. And yes even tho I refused to kill Larry.

Same here. I tried to revive Larry, I shot the girl in the street, I got into a fistfight with him on the train, I even told him off a few times. But I also always helped Duck (including putting him down), I helped Kenny face his fears in the attic and I dropped Ben. Apparently this was enough to get the "You've always had my back when it mattered" speech.

It's not Telltale's fault. Your relationship with Kenny is a lot more nuanced than you realize.

[marcu5]

Originally Posted by Viser

. for instance, when you try to reason with Larry, Kenny sees it as going against him. Thought that was pretty obvious. To Kenny, you're either with him, or against him.

so how much sense does it make that if i agree with larry, and go against kenny every time (except for the larry incident), kenny is still "my buddy"

however, if i agree with him on everything except the larry incident, he hates my guts. really, TTG? who behaves like this in the real world>

[marcu5]

Originally Posted by dubesor

I think you are being irrational here. I too didn't help kill Larry. That's not the deciding factor. Kenny still said I always had his back when it mattered and comes freely. There are for SURE several other occasions where you disagreed with him. I disagreed with him like 3 or 4 times but still he comes with me. And yes even tho I refused to kill Larry.

nope, i agreed with kenny on EVERYTHING except killing larry.

[BlankCanvasDJ]

Originally Posted by marcu5

nope, i agreed with kenny on EVERYTHING except killing larry.

Then you've probably got a glitch. Or you made some decisions that you didn't realize were decisions. It takes more than the Larry incident to make Kenny go against you.

[thestalkinghead]

maybe kenny looks at the Larry meat locker situation as a defining moment as to whether you (LEE) has what it takes to survive and then after that he either believes "you are going to die and its just matter of time" or you "have what it takes to survive" and if he believes you have what it takes you are a good person to help because it will be worth it, but otherwise you are just gonna get him killed

[Kae]

I actually think someone mentioned in here that due to the way Telltale decided to handle an early choice (i.e. the "Reason with him" one) that a lot of people thought that meant "Reason with (the bad guys)" and instead it came out as "Reason with Kenny" (about letting someone kill Duck). Don't get me wrong, I love this game, but that one misfire about the way they handled a choice has always had me wondering about my other choices involving Kenny. Is it really because of my poor choice that Kenny is berating me right now, or was it just phrased strangely, like that first one, and that's why Kenny is acting like a douchebro right now?

It's a little frustrating. Some of the things I think Kenny would appreciate me agreeing with him on, he acts upset by, and vice versa. It frequently feels like he doesn't make a lot of sense.

I actually agreed with Kenny on almost everything (I didn't kill Larry) and he complained about how I never had his back pretty much the entire rest of the game. Mind you, at the end there, I just told him Clem was my family, and he melted like butter and came with me. I like Kenny, for some strange reason. He seems like a high-strung, but nice guy. I just feel like I'm not "playing him" right, if that makes sense.

[marcu5]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

maybe kenny looks at the Larry meat locker situation as a defining moment as to whether you (LEE) has what it takes to survive and then after that he either believes "you are going to die and its just matter of time" or you "have what it takes to survive" and if he believes you have what it takes you are a good person to help because it will be worth it, but otherwise you are just gonna get him killed

more apologist bullcrap. it's just poor writing, acknowledge it so they will do better on season 2

keep pacifying TTG and they'll believe there's no reason to change their formula.

[Porr]

Kenny was a cool character up until Kat and Duck died. Understandable though, it'd be very traumatic.

I sided with him on most things before that, he was nice to me and I remember him saying a few things that thankful for things I'd done. But it's once he beats you up on the train, things turn sour after that. He tries to talk with you shortly after(whether or not he was going to bring up the fight or thank you for being his friend but was too pissed, I don't know) but before he speaks he cuts himself off.

I'd like to see a scene where Kenny is dying and Lee and Kenny have a "bro" moment.

[corruptbiggins]

Originally Posted by marcu5

more apologist bullcrap. it's just poor writing, acknowledge it so they will do better on season 2

keep pacifying TTG and they'll believe there's no reason to change their formula.

Just because it's not how you would create a character doesn't mean that Telltale's writing isn't valid or realistic.

Kenny is a believable character and that's the main point.

[Foinikas]

Originally Posted by Icedhope

I agree with this to a point. I picked it out from the beginning Kenny was going to be a douche. He is selfish and will find any reason to hate you if you against his plan, and there have been quite a few examples.

*The fight with Larry in Episode 1.
*The How apprehensive he is during certain situations.

It makes sense Kenny doesn't want to help anyone unless it benefits him in someway.

Agreed.He is selfish!Always talking about leaving with his family,always not caring about anyone else.Always getting angry if you just don't agree with him on everything.Always nagging!

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by corruptbiggins

Just because it's not how you would create a character doesn't mean that Telltale's writing isn't valid or realistic.

Kenny is a believable character and that's the main point.

totally believable

Originally Posted by marcu5

more apologist bullcrap. it's just poor writing, acknowledge it so they will do better on season 2

keep pacifying TTG and they'll believe there's no reason to change their formula.

the meat locker scene was a defining moment in the game for me, why not for kenny?

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by Porr

Kenny was a cool character up until Kat and Duck died. Understandable though, it'd be very traumatic.

I sided with him on most things before that, he was nice to me and I remember him saying a few things that thankful for things I'd done. But it's once he beats you up on the train, things turn sour after that. He tries to talk with you shortly after(whether or not he was going to bring up the fight or thank you for being his friend but was too pissed, I don't know) but before he speaks he cuts himself off.

I'd like to see a scene where Kenny is dying and Lee and Kenny have a "bro" moment.

He beat you up? Aim for his fists dude and take him down like Bruce Lee. And if you talk him down (like I did) it just gets more emotional (for me, at least) when he says that he still beats himself up about letting Shawn die. That part, and then him losing his family really made me feel for him. He becomes an asshole no matter what in 4 (understandable, since 4 takes place only about a day after Kat and Duck die), but he still treatedee like a friend since in my game I sided with him up until then (mostly).

[marcu5]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

the meat locker scene was a defining moment in the game for me, why not for kenny?

defining moment for what? loyalty? so if you were kenny, what would piss you off more. threatening to throw your kids out to the zombies because i believe he's been bitten. or agreeing to try CPR on an unconscious man? because if it's the latter, you're a very fickle person.


i still can't believe TTG didn't give us an option to call kenny out on his hypocrisy with duck. if the game were truly tailored to my choices, i would have been able to suddenly kill duck w/o either of their permission. THEN kenny would have a reason to hold a damn grudge.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by marcu5

defining moment for what? loyalty? so if you were kenny, what would piss you off more. threatening to throw your kids out to the zombies because i believe he's been bitten. or agreeing to try CPR on an unconscious man? because if it's the latter, you're a very fickle person.


i still can't believe TTG didn't give us an option to call kenny out on his hypocrisy with duck. if the game were truly tailored to my choices, i would have been able to suddenly kill duck w/o either of their permission. THEN kenny would have a reason to hold a damn grudge.

a defining moment for your/Lee's relationship with kenny and lilly and also how lee treats a situation like that, and you cant really be all for throwing duck out, and larry could have killed all of the people in the meat locker.

you can tell kenny off and beat him up, and really the ability to kill anybody suddenly is a bit far fetched

[trd84]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

a defining moment for your/Lee's relationship with kenny and lilly and also how lee treats a situation like that.

you can tell kenny off and beat him up, and really the ability to kill anybody suddenly is a bit far fetched

You save his wife and kids immediately afterwards and even if you had his back the whole time he's still mad at you the next ep. Doesn't make since.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by trd84

You save his wife and kids immediately afterwards and even if you had his back the whole time he's still mad at you the next ep. Doesn't make since.

but you only did that because kenny saved your life in the meat locker, because he was the only one that would do anything about the situation (kenny point of view)

[BlankCanvasDJ]

I gotta be honest, man, if I was trapped in a meat locker with somebody and got into an argument over whether or not to crush the head of a man who may or may not turn into a zombie and eat us all ...yeah, that would be the kind of situation that would define my opinion of him forever. I hold grudges against people for things that happened years ago that were so small I barely remember what they are. The meat locker scene was an extreme situation. As extreme as you can get. Why wouldn't it define how Kenny feels about you?

[trd84]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

but you only did that because kenny saved your life in the meat locker, because he was the only one that would do anything about the situation (kenny point of view)

Saved his kid twice, saved his wife, stood up to Larry, Was on Kenny's side in all the arguments, fed him and his son, and not killing a guy made kenny mad at me for weeks. Even when I was still agreeing with him and being nice he would say sarcastic things back to me.