Aggressive TWD comments on TTG blog in entries for entirely different franchises

[Cheeseness]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

Now it's pre BTTF time and not walking dead? Wow. That's a drastic shift in position. Way to stick with your guns.

How is that a shift? I'd always said pre-Universal, and I called you out several times for ignoring that. Is there some way I can reiterate it that might actually be heard?

Originally Posted by Red Panda

The new fans can stay but have to behave? Are you serious? What are you going to do if they don't? You talk like you have actual power and control.

Communities are deeply interactive things, and are influenced and controlled by collective behaviours. So long as there is inappropriate behaviour, I will continue to highlight it so that it can be understood, and perhaps convince others to be outspoken against it.

Interestingly, you yourself said that the kind of behaviour discussed in this thread should stop, and is "not even debatle or up for discussion". Upon what authority did you make that determination?

Originally Posted by Red Panda

People are offended and hurt? Yeah, sorry. That's what you're choosing to believe, not what's there. I'm happy to say that offering a casual fictional insult that might be misinterpreted, which is not even remotely hateful (no matter which way you twist it), is totally more civilized than the kind of abhorrent behavior we're talking about.

lol, keep trying.

Originally Posted by Red Panda

What is your thinking? Posting about release dates is offensive and hurtful but saying people are "shitting up a fan base," calling them a "huge jackass," and saying they're "bitching" isn't? Wow. You have things so backwards.

It's very obvious that I'm not talking about general release date complaints. Your ability to misinterpret, misconstrue and misappropriate the words of others almost seems intentional.

Are you denying Vainamoinen's account of people being stalked? Are you denying lucidity02's account of being attacked on these forums? Are you denying that comments like "walk off and die," "It shows how pathetic and imapteint you are," "So shut your mouth and go play your stupid dog and rabbit kiddie game," are more hurtful than saying that people who say that sort of stuff are "huge jackasses" (as if being accused of being a large mule is particularly offensive anyway)? Are you denying that comments like "All these people saying they don't care about Sam and Max make me want to cry. " are evidence of people feeling offended and hurt?

In case you're not aware, you are coming across as unnecessarily aggressive, and I'd like to ask you to please consider your attitude when posting. You can refute my arguments without resorting to cheap inflamatory or snide remarks like "Wow. You have things so backwards," "Way to stick with your guns," or repeatedly attempting to use my own words against me.

I find your comments to be amusing, but I am know there are others who would find them offputting and chose to not participate in the discussion because of that - which wouldn't be a very nice outcome, and is (at least in part) the sort of thing that we would hope to prevent by discouraging the kind of behaviour that this thread is about.



Edit: Vainamoinen, were you going to adjust the thread title, or are you still waiting for more suggestions? It does seem to be something that people are fixating on rather than the real message of the first post.

[fusedmass]

Now Now. I'm new to this whole community. Not a ton of people are like that. I personally can wait as long as they want for another release. Would it i like it sooner? Yes. Am I going to yell at them if they don't? No

Not all of us are bad you can't judge an entire book by its cover. Plus this is a breakthrough to tell tayle games. This is what they wanted isn't it? high success rating. With this game being this good bringing in new fans which is great for business. Keeps them floating.

[Vainamoinen]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

The one thing I can say about the TWD fanbase compared to the old is they are a lot more enthusiastic about the game. They complain about dates but not the game.

It's not so much the case with other games.

There's a visible shift in complaint topics, I agree that much. But first of all, there's a reason release date complaints were on the rise this time, which is that Telltale could not keep the advertised monthly schedule, not even by the usual five to six week definition.

This has nothing to do with the TWD fanbase. The BTTF fans might have reacted in the same way had they been confronted with a one month delay right off the bat. The Sam & Max fanbase, well, they at least have a fighting chance to have escaped their slight mobification - as after three Seasons, they have the firm expectation that Telltale will eventually deliver; and a LOT of these people have already argued three to five years ago that Telltale shouldn't "rush things" and "take their time" to make a better episode. Experience isn't gathered with a single game, and trust isn't spilled easily if your first experience is a negative one.

And second, yes, there are of course complaints 'about the game'! About this character killed and that character killed; about choices without lasting consequences; about the psychological depth and believability of the characters; about comic/novel canon violations - and so on. And if these topics are addressed in a calm manner, well, that's exactly what most of the community is here to do, to not passively digest this story, but to voice opinion about it too, criticism included.

Originally Posted by Red Panda

[LIST=1]Now it's pre BTTF time and not walking dead? Wow. That's a drastic shift in position. Way to stick with your guns.

A shift in position? Whose position? Certainly not the original poster's, where I perceive VERY visible brackets around BTTF, JP, L&O and BoC:

Originally Posted by RAnthonyMahan

I love The Walking Dead so far. I think it's the best thing Telltale's done since The Devil's Playhouse

As I said, "the old community" is a diffuse identity. You'll maybe find people who came for Back to the Future and still have a "TWD fans are rioters" attitude, thus euphemizing the BTTF blog comments of the past.

Originally Posted by fusedmass

Not all of us are bad you can't judge an entire book by its cover.

It's not the cover. It's just a very small chapter which has shoved itself in the front page direction which is rather unfortunately printed in excrement ink.

Originally Posted by Cheeseness

Edit: Vainamoinen, were you going to adjust the thread title, or are you still waiting for more suggestions? It does seem to be something that people are fixating on rather than the real message of the first post.

I was hoping that someone would make a better suggestion... than that monstrosity I put up there just now.

[Cheeseness]

Originally Posted by Vainamoinen

I was hoping that someone would make a better suggestion... than that monstrosity I put up there just now.

It's not too bad. Not so graceful, but it's succinct, accurate, and potentially less likely to offend.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by Cheeseness

It's not too bad. Not so graceful, but it's succinct, accurate, and potentially less likely to offend.

So you finally admit it's offensive. Good for you.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by Cheeseness

How is that a shift? I'd always said pre-Universal, and I called you out several times for ignoring that.

Lie.

I will continue to highlight it so that it can be understood, and perhaps convince others to be outspoken against it.

Nobel cause. Maybe you can cure cancer next.

Interestingly, you yourself said that the kind of behaviour discussed in this thread should stop, and is "not even debatle or up for discussion". Upon what authority did you make that determination?

You don't need authority to give an opinion.

lol, keep trying.

Keep denying.

It's very obvious that I'm not talking about general release date complaints.

No it isn't.

Your ability to misinterpret, misconstrue and misappropriate the words of others almost seems intentional.

Passive aggressive much?

In case you're not aware, you are coming across as unnecessarily aggressive, and I'd like to ask you to please consider your attitude when posting.

Back at you. See above.

I find your comments to be amusing

Thank you.

[Alex1939]

Originally Posted by Cheeseness

Are you denying Vainamoinen's account of people being stalked? Are you denying lucidity02's account of being attacked on these forums? Are you denying that comments like "walk off and die," "It shows how pathetic and imapteint you are," "So shut your mouth and go play your stupid dog and rabbit kiddie game," are more hurtful than saying that people who say that sort of stuff are "huge jackasses" (as if being accused of being a large mule is particularly offensive anyway)? Are you denying that comments like "All these people saying they don't care about Sam and Max make me want to cry. " are evidence of people feeling offended and hurt?

Is this like when the fantastic better-than-the-average-gamer old school TTG community said they wanted to kill me in this very thread?

[Cheeseness]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

Lie.

Look, I don't know what your problem is, but your attempts to label me as a liar are ridiculous. All they show is that you don't read what others say. Here's where I started to talk about it.

Originally Posted by Cheeseness

As somebody who's been vaguely present member of the Telltale community over the past 5 years, I feel that it's up to me to correct you in your false belief that things weren't any better before. The kind of behaviour that the OP is talking about is uncivilised, and we had none of it (certainly not of the voracity that we've seen recently) before the Universal deal started to bear fruit.

Originally Posted by Red Panda

Nobel cause. Maybe you can cure cancer next.

If cancer were a social trend, then I'm sure it would have been cured by now. How are you even drawing parallels between those?

Originally Posted by Red Panda

You don't need authority to give an opinion.

Yet you say that I need an authority to hold my opinion that this needs to stop?

Originally Posted by Red Panda

No it isn't.

Again, you've ignored what's been said. I specifically mention the incidents of stalking, and you tell me that I'm talking about release date complaints? Seriously.

Originally Posted by Red Panda

Passive aggressive much?

That's not passive aggressive. That's a sincere statement.

I am starting to believe that you are being intentionally abrasive and putting words in others mouths (like when you just accused me of lying). Based on your attempted manouvering in trying to get me into a position where you could tell me "Yeah, sorry. That's what you're choosing to believe, not what's there," I imagine that you are trying to incite some aggressive behaviour so that you can claim that those who disagree with you are exhibiting the same behaviour highlighted in the first post.

Originally Posted by Red Panda

Back at you. See above.

I have been very polite towards you, much more polite than I believe you deserve, and certainly far more polite than you've been to me. I don't expect you to acknowledge that, but I hope that others will.

Even if I haven't, that's no reason for you to not reconsider how you present your arguments if you are not intentionally being inflammatory.

Originally Posted by Alex1939

Is this like when the fantastic better-than-the-average-gamer old school TTG community said they wanted to kill me in this very thread?

Sure, definitely. This isn't about old or new, it's about people behaving like "huge jackasses". Whilst that behaviour is new, I don't deny that it's coming from both sides (if there are indeed sides). Some of the quotes I included there have come from fans of older games.

Originally Posted by Red Panda

So you finally admit it's offensive. Good for you.

I never denied that people were offended by it (please stop putting words in my mouth). I denied (and still do) that it was the OP's intent to offend (so, people were are offended by it didn't need to be), which was clear from what I had said previously.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by Cheeseness

we had none of it (certainly not of the voracity that we've seen recently) before the Universal deal started to bear fruit.

See how you qualified that? Recently, meaning TWD? See? Lie. You were obviously mainly referring to TWD or purposely putting out vague positions so you can shit easily.

If cancer were a social trend, then I'm sure it would have been cured by now. How are you even drawing parallels between those?

The parallels between the two is it's hard to stop them; practically impossible. The difference between the two is one isn't even worth trying to stop. Guess which one.

Yet you say that I need an authority to hold my opinion that this needs to stop?

No, but you didn't give an opinion. You issued a proclamation. Big difference.

Again, you've ignored what's been said. I specifically mention the incidents of stalking, and you tell me that I'm talking about release date complaints? Seriously.

No. Plus I was being stalked on the forums by old school users. Shame, really.

That's not passive aggressive.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I have been very polite towards you, much more polite than I believe you deserve, and certainly far more polite than you've been to me. I don't expect you to acknowledge that, but I hope that others will.

Me too.

Even if I haven't, that's no reason for you to not reconsider how you present your arguments if you are not intentionally being inflammatory.

Are you saying I'm flaming? Wow. All this talk about insults and you say that, just because I'm in San Francisco. You need to drop the stereotypes. I'll forgive though because I'm a nice person.

Sure, definitely. This isn't about old or new, it's about people behaving like "huge jackasses". Whilst that behaviour is new, I don't deny that it's coming from both sides (if there are indeed sides). Some of the quotes I included there have come from fans of older games.

Shifting positions again. Now it's new behavior and not new people. I guess you can do that when being vague in the first place.

I never denied that people were offended by it (please stop putting words in my mouth). I denied (and still do) that it was the OP's intent to offend (so, people were are offended by it didn't need to be), which was clear from what I had said previously.

That's the same thing as denying it. In fact, it's even more offensive way of denying it. You're implying people are only offended b/c they're too stupid to understand what they're reading. And what does the writers intent matter to how other people are offended? It doesn't work that way. Ever.

You talk all this shit about I don't respect you blah blah blah but I never intended to disrespect you. Still, did my intent matter then? No. I guess intent in relation to respect only matters when you're trying to prove a point.

[Cheeseness]

So many cool stories, most of which are getting beyond rational discussion (I notice that we're getting a bit more inappropriate language, and I'd like to see that stop). You have some interesting outlooks on life and social interaction that I don't share and am glad aren't practiced anywhere I've lived/visited, but if they work for you and aren't unpleasant for those around you, then that's great.

I will highlight this though, as I think it is very revealing about the dissonant nature of our discussion.

Originally Posted by Red Panda

Are you saying I'm flaming? Wow. All this talk about insults and you say that, just because I'm in San Francisco. You need to drop the stereotypes. I'll forgive though because I'm a nice person.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by Cheeseness

You have some interesting outlooks on life and social interaction that I don't share and am glad aren't practiced anywhere I've lived/visited, but if they work for you and aren't unpleasant for those around you, then that's great.

Passive aggressive. It's such a thinly veiled insult I don't see why you just don't come right out and say it.

Originally Posted by Cheeseness

I will highlight this though, as I think it is very revealing about the dissonant nature of our discussion.

lmao! You would point that out.

But yeah, I'm done for real this time. Nothing left to add.

[Cheeseness]

Originally Posted by Red Panda

lmao! You would point that out.

Of course I would point that out. I never once employed a sterotype against you, and I did not know (or care) that you are in San Francisco. There is obviously some disconnect at work that is letting you see these things

At any rate, I hope that discussion of (other?) inappropriate aggreesive behaviour can continue.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by Cheeseness

Of course I would point that out. I never once employed a sterotype against you, and I did not know (or care) that you are in San Francisco. There is obviously some disconnect at work that is letting you see these things

At any rate, I hope that discussion of (other?) inappropriate aggreesive behaviour can continue.

It was a joke. It was a play on words. I don't always joke, and I haven't been, but that time I was.

I hope the discussion can continue also. But I'm done.

[jweir]

As near as I can tell, Red Panda as a whole was a joke who has been flaming you the whole time in this thread. Why it has been allowed to continue is beyond me as the "confused" nature in their postings has been very deliberate. All they've done is convolute and twist others words, and it needs to stop whether they are truly done with this thread (which I highly doubt, as I fully expect a response from them for my posting here) or not.

[Red Panda]

Originally Posted by jweir

As near as I can tell, Red Panda as a whole was a joke who has been flaming you the whole time in this thread. Why it has been allowed to continue is beyond me as the "confused" nature in their postings has been very deliberate. All they've done is convolute and twist others words, and it needs to stop whether they are truly done with this thread (which I highly doubt, as I fully expect a response from them for my posting here) or not.

This is super off-topic. Since you wrote all these nasty, untrue accusations and "fully expect a response" (yeah, who wouldn't?) I'm assuming you're trying to flame me.

Nothing you say is true and I don't appreciate it, this isn't the place to air your frustrations, and I would appreciate if you would send me a private message or find a more constructive way to deal with your frustrations. Thank you.

[Vainamoinen]

Enough.