The Case Against Kenny

[Ghositex]

I mean... Kenny can be both a dick and a bro depending on your choices. The point is that he is a little paranoid, no matter if you do or not like him. While he does have good ideas, he is just mentally unstable, and I'm not saying its just after the death of his family.

[xXNinjaScoreXx]

In my game Kenny helped me through out every episode (obviously there were some non-player controlled actions such as him starting the argument in Ep.2) so therefore I declare that Kenny is a good guy. Also, it was completely Ben's fault for Doug/Carley, Duck, Brie, Larry, and Katjaa's deaths.

[Malphaxis]

If you condem Kenny its because youre either A. not married with kids of your own or B. have no real life experience in truly life or death circumstances.
Larry was gonna kill Duck & tried to kill you.
In my experiences Kenny did what I would have expected and in my world Larry wouldnt have lived long enough to make it to the farm.
Not attacking anyone, just throwing it out there.

[Rock114]

Well, as far as I know, out of everyone at the end of Episode 4 Kenny is the only one who will go with you no matter what, as long as you've had his back. Christa and Omid will always come if you reveal that you are bitten, but if you've had Kenny's back the whole way he'll come with you even if you hide the bite and insist that you go alone. Of course, I could be wrong on that, but from what I've seen, even if you've backed up everyone else as much as you could, they'll still let you go alone, or at least take some convincing. As long as you've had Kenny's back, he'll have yours without question, so that's good (IMO). Almost all of the time, he'll always say that he'll wait with the boat for you to come back, even if you've been bitten so long as you don't pick the "fuck you" option with him. Hell, in my save where it's only me and Kenny, he basically gave the boat to Christa, Omid, and Ben. He said that if we weren't back by sun down, the three of them should just take the boat and head for open water. Given that that was the only thing keeping him going by the end of Episode 3, seeing him give it up to two strangers and the person who was responsible for his family's death really made me respect the guy. Especially since, the boat having been completed and ready to set sail, going after Clem is most likely to result in his death. Even though he has no moral obligation to go than because it's the "right thing" to do. What can I say? I can't help but respect, or at least feel for, the guy in my game given the choices I've made.

[Ninnuendo]

This is ridiculous.

I saved his son, 3 times (Farm, Larry, Dairy)
I saved his wife at the dairy
I saved him in Ep 4

His repayment is to not help with Clem. That's your "Good guy". Its dumb to say "Oh but he helped me" this isnt some Altenate Universe Kenny, its the same guy. He's fine until you go against him, then watch his true disloyal nature come out.

Id laugh my arse off if in Ep5, you take him with you & he betrays all you people who've taken his side. It is EXACTLY what he would do given the right circumstances.

[Wrighty]

Let me guess, you tried to save Larry? That right there says to him "Kenny, I care more about Larry, who punched me in the face and left me to die, than your family. I'm happy to risk them getting the worst kind of death to save an old douche who may be dead anyway." You also basically made him kill Larry by himself and this clearly makes Kenny extremely guilty which shows his conscience. He realises he looks like a monster now and probably feels like one to. All because you made the wrong choice

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Wrighty

Let me guess, you tried to save Larry? That right there says to him "Kenny, I care more about Larry, who punched me in the face and left me to die, than your family. I'm happy to risk them getting the worst kind of death to save an old douche who may be dead anyway." You also basically made him kill Larry by himself and this clearly makes Kenny extremely guilty which shows his conscience. He realises he looks like a monster now and probably feels like one to. All because you made the wrong choice

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[Ninnuendo]

No, he made the wrong choice. He has no excuse for turning on me after everything Ive done for him, before & after the meatlocker. He is the worst kind of person, a 2-faced prick that will stab you in the back with no remorse if its good for him.

[thestalkinghead]

what bad thing does kenny ever do (except larry which is debatable) to Lee or any of the others?

[Digestif]

Kenny is a total prick. He just leaves you hanging if you don't side with him all the fucking time. Well sorry Kenny, I just thought you're not always right, I'm so sorry.
Kenny is just the kind of guy that's gonna feed you to the zombies if he just can save his own ass with that. Wouldn't trust him a single inch.

[zfan330]

After the "leaving you trapped under the door" I was done with him. When we went back to the hotel I was officially on team Lilly. Her dad was dead (tried to help him, but he was gone so I didnt have to put up with him anymore), she was opening up more.
Yeah, but I was already mad at how he acted because I woulnt help him kill Larry. Then he followed it up with that crap with the door. Not to mention, he keeps crap started. He argues with everybody.
When he started talking that mess, after you ask him to help find clem. I just told him to go f himself. Cant stand that guy. Its worst because Im almost sure his going to live, and Im going to die.
Freakin telltale.

[zfan330]

Originally Posted by Ninnuendo

It's a boat, not a plane, I'll work it out. Chuck him overboard

Yah know!!

[zfan330]

Originally Posted by Viner16

Screw Kenny >

^^Thiss^^

[zfan330]

Originally Posted by Malphaxis

If you condem Kenny its because youre either A. not married with kids of your own or B. have no real life experience in truly life or death circumstances.
Larry was gonna kill Duck & tried to kill you.
In my experiences Kenny did what I would have expected and in my world Larry wouldnt have lived long enough to make it to the farm.
Not attacking anyone, just throwing it out there.

35 have an x wife, 2 kids and 2 step kids. )Not going to get into the internet tough guy thing with "life or death circumstances") And I condemn Kenny with venom. Family isnt an excuse for weak moral character.

[IndigoHawk]

How about looking at this another way?

Some people are bros with Kenny, and some aren't. Some feel Kenny has accepted Lee and Clem into his family. I agree that if Kenny has accepted you as family, he'll back you up and even sacrifice for you.

However, look at how Kenny interacts with people who aren't in his circle. What if Christa/Omid are in trouble? What if they needed medicine but Kenny didn't need to go to Crawford because he had everything he needed for the boat?

Do you think Kenny would help Christa and Omid? No. Kenny is loyal to his own, and if you're outside that group, you're on your own, and you should probably watch your back.

In fact, with regards to the boat, Kenny made it clear that he's using everyone. They can all travel with him, but when they reach the boat, he sees it as his boat (even though everyone worked to get there), and everyone else will have to fight over spots. So, he uses the group to stay alive, but he's not loyal to them. He's not going to say "We can't go on the boat because not everyone will fit." He'll say "You have to stay behind because you don't fit on my boat."

If Kenny didn't have his family, he would be a bandit by now. He doesn't care about hurting people who are outside of his group or using people. He doesn't even care about hurting people who are inside the group, if they aren't in his inner circle.

So ... Kenny can be loyal but he's also a bad man who will do anything for his group, no matter what it does to others. He's only going to get worse now that he doesn't have a family to keep him in balance.

However ... for the people who have taken Kenny in as part of their family, they have provided some moral stability for Kenny. Kenny is willing to give up the boat to instead go for Clem, not because she's a little girl in trouble, but because she and Lee are part of his family. What little is left of Kenny's morality does not come from within, but from being part of a group and being watched by his group. When he's on his own, he leaves women to be eaten alive by zombies, and murders people he hates. If you're not part of Kenny's inner circle, he's a danger to you, because he has no sense of right or wrong beyond protecting his group.

Kenny is basically a gangster, loyal to his gang and a threat to others.

[Rock114]

Let's all look on the bright side. In Episode 5, Kenny will: A) Die, or B) not be there at all. As someone from Team Kenny, I must say I wasn't happy about him coming with me to save Clem, so much as I was happy I'd get to see him die as a result of it. He said we were friends to the end, so I'm going to take that literally and have him die with me. After saving Clem of course.

[Malphaxis]

Originally Posted by zfan330

Family isnt an excuse for weak moral character.

says the guy with the x wife.
I find that ironically funny.

So tell me, you wouldnt have gone for your kid first?
You wouldnt have moved him to a safe place or tried to pass him off to his mom before heading back to the danger?
Really?
And where was Hershal while his son was in danger?
The event is scripted as it is, but if he would have run with the pitchfork in his hands to his son instead of going for a gun, well..

Originally Posted by zfan330

..Not going to get into the internet tough guy thing with "life or death circumstances" And I condemn Kenny with venom.

PC chair arbiters are a funny bunch.
Im referring to my time in combat where if its zombies or Op-For, it doesnt matter when your life and the lives of those depending on you are on the line.
I make the reference and I stand behind the statement because if you haven't ever been in a life or death situation, then you dont know how you'd really react.
Its easy to judge when you've no idea.

/done

[Ghositex]

[Zylinderknopf]

Originally Posted by Ninnuendo

Ep 1 - He abandons Shawn, literally runs off, even though his child is safe

Ep 2 - He suggests you might be useful at lockpicking because you're "urban"

Ep 2 - He kills Larry as you're trying to save him

Ep 2 - He tells you he'll back you up handling Danny St John, instead he leaves you to die

Ep 3 - He causes a massive argument at the motel over leaving and is the root cause of the paranoia that leads to Carley, Duck and Katjaa dying.

Ep 3 - He once again leaves you to die as you're trapped under a door

Ep 3 - He drops you while trying to get on the truck

Ep 3 - He fucks you over by blabbing about the girl you kill/leave to die infront of Clem

Ep 3 - He tells you your criminal past will be a factor in getting a place on his boat

Ep 3 - He tells you to leave Lilly behind to die, both at the motel and on the road

Ep 4 - He drops you again when trying to escape up the fire escape.

Ep 4 - He wills you to let Ben die

Ep 4 - He refuses to help save Clem

He stands accused of hypocrisy, selfishness, racism, murder, alcoholism, cowardice, carelessness, trouble making, disloyalty and of being judgemental and uncaring.
Kenny defenders, make your case for the accused because I'd gladly use him as a zombie bait given his charge sheet.

Ep 1 - Well, you are right. That was one of Kenny's bad moments. But he was scared (I am pretty sure you would try to run away, too). Furthermore he tried to bring his son to a safe place.

Ep 2 - I helped Kenny, because I was scared of Larry. He would have killed us if he turned.

Ep 2 - He helped me with Danny, because I helped him with Larry. You probably tried to save Larry. That may be the reason why he did not help you.

Ep 3 - Hm, when was Lee trapped under a door? I cannot really remember.

Ep 3 - He did not drop me on purpose. That is not a reason to hate Kenny.

Ep 3 - Clem did not hear Kenny, did not see?

Ep 3 - It actually makes sense. Lee's criminal past makes him dangerous for his family. I would rather save an innocent person than a murderer.

Ep 3 - Yeah, you are right. There was no reason to leave Lily at the motel, but he had a reason to leave her at the reason.

Ep 4 - It was an accident. He did try to save me, you know.

Ep 4 - He helps me with Clem, because I was pro-Kenny.

[Ninnuendo]

Originally Posted by Zylinderknopf

Ep 2 - He helped me with Danny, because I helped him with Larry. You probably tried to save Larry. That may be the reason why he did not help you.

That'd be fine except for one thing.

He tells you to go check on Danny and that he'll help if you run into trouble. He blatantly lies to your face and then leaves you to die.