Star Trek... the Next Thread

[DAISHI]

Star Trek fans have little right to protest the direction of the new movie. There weren't enough fans watching the show, thus canceled. There were enough fans watching the movies. Bloody hell the movies were still living off the TNG series and it was getting sad. Ratings had been in decline over three series. The new Stat Trek made people excited about Star Trek. Yeah, it wasn't written specifically for the fans, and it was a better movie for it.

[Darth Marsden]

If you came at the movie as a die-hard Star Trek fan, it came across as too generic.
If you came at the movie as a newcomer, it came across as too nerdy.
If you came at the movie wanting two hours of space-themed fun, YOU WON.

[Chyron8472]

Originally Posted by Darth Marsden

If you came at the movie as a die-hard Star Trek fan, it came across as too generic.

But I am a die-hard Trek fan. I'm a fan of the shows (all but TOS), and all the even numbered movies (plus Star Trek 3) and the reboot. In fact, I'd seen the reboot at least 4 times while it was still in the theater; and if any episode (besides TOS or the ENT finale) were on TV when I was surfing channels, I'd stop and watch it.

When I watch the reboot, I watch it as a fan who feels he knows these characters. As a result, the story is made all the more fun when we get to see how the characters play off each other in their own characteristic ways, and especially, as I noted earlier, when aspects of these characters are explored more in depth in ways that totally make sense, and yet give me the feeling of "I hadn't thought about it that way before."


In fact, now that you mention it, I find The Original Series to be too generic, which is mainly why I don't like it. Sure, it was good for its time, but many of the episodes' plots are loose copies of each other.


I don't bring my fandom into real life (ie. Trekkie), but I love Trek for the stories and most of all for the characters and their relationships with each other.

This is why I don't understand the hate for Enterprise. To watch Malcolm Reed and how his need for military order clashes with the other crew members; T'Pol dealing with emotion (others' and her own) and her growing relationship with Trip; Hoshi's fears that come from exploring the unknown; and Phlox's crazy alien medical ideas. The character relationships gets you invested in what happens to them and further interested in the overall story.


I'm thinking that the reason why many people complain about Trek is because people like to complain; not because there's actually anything wrong with the shows or the reboot.

[corruptbiggins]

That's weird, that last post has everything that I would have said in it. I have to admit though I doubt I could have said it that well.

[Shadowknight1]

I am a die-hard Trekkie, as are a few of my friends, and we all loved the movie. In fact, the only people I know that didn't like the reboot are all on the internet.

[Secret Fawful]

I just started watching The Cage/The Menagerie for the first time.



I really really like it. I like Pike, I like his crew, and I like the story. I think it gets too much criticism. Sure, Spock is different, and Pike's crew is a prototype for Kirk's, but I still like it. It has some really good dialogue.

I wish Obsidian would do a ST RPG.

[Chyron8472]

The problem with The Cage doesn't have to do with the episode itself, but more that, if you watch it first, before The Menagerie, then the latter feels artificially made into a 2-parter.

Granted, that's basically what it really is, but it's more obvious what's been done.

[Secret Fawful]

I watched the version narrated before and after by Gene Roddenberry that switches randomly from black and white to color. Dunno if that's the only version or not.

[Darth Marsden]

I seem to recall there was a version that had the whole episode in colour. Might be on the Blu-Ray.

[Chyron8472]

Originally Posted by Darth Marsden

I seem to recall there was a version [of The Cage] that had the whole episode in colour. Might be on the Blu-Ray.

[Shadowknight1]

It's also on the last disk of the third season of the remastered original series.

Why the third season? Beats me.

[Darth Marsden]

Originally Posted by Shadowknight1

It's also on the last disk of the third season of the remastered original series.

THAT'S where I got it from. I just downloaded a rip of it. [/SlappedWrist]

[Chyron8472]

Why do people complain that the reboot's bridge looks like an Apple Store?

TOS's bridge has stark colors with hard lines and sharp corners; TNG's bridge is open, slopes up in the back with a wooden wing-like shape in the middle and makes liberal use of neutral earth-tone colors; Enterprise-C's and B's bridges are near carbon copies of the Excelsior's; and the NX-01's bridge is covered in sheet metal with stairs, blue flooring and modern day flat screen monitors (albeit touch-screen).

Seriously, people do complain way too fricken much.

[MusicallyInspired]

It's the number one multinational human pastime.

[Shadowknight1]

My favorite is people griping about how the Enterprise shouldn't look different. Yes, it should. The Kelvin might not have been the state-of-Starfleet-art, but it wasn't incapable of defending itself, and the Narada smashed it to pieces easily. That would make the Starfleet Corps of Engineers scrap the current plans for the Constitution-class starship and make her bigger and more powerful. Make the saucer, arguably the least vulnerable part of the ship, a bigger target, slim down the engineering section, beef up the dorsal neck, reduce the ship's over-all profile in many directions to present less of a target, and outfit her with more weapons. Not that hard to imagine.

I also didn't have a problem with "Bud-gineering" until I saw what they could've done if they'd had the budget for a set. I think and hope that they at least disguise the place a little more in the sequel.

[Shadowknight1]

Bumping this. Good news everyone! If you're going to see The Hobbit on December 14th, you'll be getting a first look at Star Trek Into Darkness! Now, this first look depends. If you see it in a regular theater, you'll be seeing the first theatrical trailer(not teaser). If you go see it in IMAX 3D, odds are in your favor you'll be seeing the FIRST NINE MINUTES of the movie. SPECULATION COMMENCE!

[FitzoliverJ]

Originally Posted by Shadowknight1

My favorite is people griping about how the Enterprise shouldn't look different. Yes, it should. The Kelvin might not have been the state-of-Starfleet-art, but it wasn't incapable of defending itself, and the Narada smashed it to pieces easily. That would make the Starfleet Corps of Engineers scrap the current plans for the Constitution-class starship and make her bigger and more powerful.

It was also launched later than the original, I think. I seem to recall reading a novel where Jim Kirk is aboard the maiden voyage or shakedown flight of the Enterprise with his father and Robert April, and he's somewhat younger.

(Poor old Robert April, no place for him in the new timeline).

[Shadowknight1]

Originally Posted by FitzoliverJ

It was also launched later than the original, I think. I seem to recall reading a novel where Jim Kirk is aboard the maiden voyage or shakedown flight of the Enterprise with his father and Robert April, and he's somewhat younger.

(Poor old Robert April, no place for him in the new timeline).

According to computer screens created for Star Trek Enterprise's episode "In a Mirror Darkly", the Enterprise originally launched in 2245, while the new movie Enterprise launched in 2258, a difference of 13 years. This also would explain Pike's age and the fact that Spock was still hanging around Starfleet Academy berating Jim Kirk for beating the Kobayashi Maru. Given the threat that the Narada posed, Starfleet probably scrapped the initial trials of the Constitution-class and had the designers take it back to the drawing board. Because of this, the ship was bigger and far better equipped to deal with the dangers that awaited, though not equipped quite enough. Considering it can take quite some time for something to go from blueprints to actual construction, I'm sure the redesign of the entire ship was a major setback to the launch cycle of the Constitution-class.

As for Robert April, there's plenty of place for him in the new timeline. Just not as captain of the Enterprise.