Chuck is Vernon's brother.

[george110]

I am completely surprised not one person mentioned this or how it is not mentioned in the wikia, but Chuck is a lot bigger of a character than it seems.

Play episode 3 again, and when you first enter the driver's room and see the dead body, remember how the guy was not killed by the walkers, nor turned into one, but was MURDERED? He didn't kill himself, someone shot him from the outside as evidenced by the glass. Now in this room, did anyone look at the photograph? It was a man with his wife and two kids. Guess who that was. Yes, Chuck.

Why would his picture be attached in the driver's room? Remember how Chuck just so happened to be living at the train? How the train somehow stopped on its own and was shut off? Remember how he strangely happened to be in the sewer with a gun that was never seen before, and how Vernon questioned Lee about the train? Is it weird that both Chuck and Vernon look alike? Lastly, did you notice how the picture disappeared after talking to Chuck for the first time and heading to the driver's room to find it missing? This cannot be a coincidence. Chuck used to work as a train driver, and Vernon knew about it.


So, what am I trying to get exactly? Well here is what I think. Chuck lied to Lee about not seeing his family in fourteen years. For all we know, he was probably on the train the day of the outbreak and after seeing what happened and the train stopping to possibly avoid hitting a car (seen next to the train where that zombie was inside still attached to the seat belt.) Chuck, who knew what was going on and was too afraid to take chances, shot the driver and shut off the train, using it as shelter. Possibly fearing death, he chose to stay indoors, going out only to find food and whatnot, drinking to keep him calm, assuming his family are dead.

Seeing how Kenny had the same drinking habits, this is very likely. Now here is where Vernon's story comes to mind:

Vernon and Chuck knew of their occupations and area of residence. When Chuck chose to fight off the walkers himself, he looked very confident. It appears that he still had his gun all along and used it to defend himself from the horde of zombies. Then, he went to go meet his brother and the cancer group on his own and possibly get them to help Lee. Realizing he was outnumbered and could not make it in time, he took his life with the last bullet of his gun.

Vernon, knowing of Chuck's occupation, went to the train, possibly to see if he was still there and also to see if they can use that as a method of transportation. As we don't know what happened to the group, this is probably the case.


Anyone want to say why you agree/disagree? Feel free to discuss.

[xXNinjaScoreXx]

I'm speechless right now, I want to disagree but...but...I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ANYMORE D:

[thestalkinghead]

he wasn't shot, his head hit the front window when the train crashed, and the picture going missing was a mistake

[TheNNerdGamer]

the dead guy in the train most likely crashed and died on impact while hitting the glass

[george110]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

he wasn't shot, his head hit the front window when the train crashed, and the picture going missing was a mistake

how can you guarantee that?

[Rock114]

The train driver's death was caused by blunt force trauma he recieved from slamming into the glass hard enough to break it. The train stopped suddenly because something collapsed on the rear of it during a spot of chaos (I think). The train wasn't stopped, it was STUCK. There's a reason Lee had to pry that boxcar loose from the rest. I'm fairly certain that Chuck dying so close to Vernon's group was pure coincidence, as the house, church, and riverfront are all within a few blocks of each other. He likely ran into the sewers, but was either pursied by the walkers or encountered even more once he reached the sewers. He tries to evade them, but in the close quarters he gets cornered, possibly bitten, then takes his own life with his last bullet. The proximity to Vernon's group was pure coincidence.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by george110

how can you guarantee that?

i heard one of the people that made it say the picture was a mistake (i think it was on twitch.tv King Foom destructoid lets play with the telltale developers) , it is actually a different scene altogether when it goes missing and they forgot to put it in, and the way he dies is just based on the evidence we saw which did not include a bullet hole in the head but did include a misshapen head, a crashed train and a broken train window (incredibly hard to break) but of course that isn't concrete proof, just enough for me

[Christoaster]

No... just no... You are thinking WAYY to much into this... Can't really blame you though, since the time between the release dates give us plenty of time to come up with possible theories, even some of the farfetched ones like this one.

[george1120]

made a new account due to name typo... xD


Anyway, I can agree with the train driver's possible head trauma, but still, Chuck was the guy on the picture. There's no denying it.

Also, the train was indeed shut off, that's why there was that whole objective that took several minutes which required us to find out how to get it up and running.

[Zeruis]

It seems possible that Chuck is Vernon's brother, but I actually thought that the police officer in episode 1 had more of a physical similarity to Vernon. I used to think that they were brothers.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by george1120

made a new account due to name typo... xD


Anyway, I can agree with the train driver's possible head trauma, but still, he was the guy on the picture. There's no denying it.

Also, the train was indeed shut off, that's why there was that whole objective that took several minutes which required us to find out how to get it up and running.

i don't know exactly how a train works but i would asume there are certain safety measures built into the train to stop catastrophic failures, so my assumption would be that a safety kill switch stopped the engine (when it crashed) and that the start up procedure was just how that train is always started
but i did find it suspicious that the start up steps had been cut off the notebook but that could have happened anytime

[Viser]

I thought Kenny took the picture down, because well, he was the train's... conductor? Driver? Anyhow, his family had just died, and it was the picture of a happy family (as far as I can remember, I could be wrong), so it makes sense he would take it down so he could try to get the death of his family out of his mind. It's what made sense to me when I noticed it wasn't on the wall anymore.

[Rock114]

I would assume that the train shut off on its own, or Chuck turned it off after the accident so it wouldn't attract walkers. If Chuck was going to do something to the picture, he had three months to do it. I find it entirely more likely that Kenny took the picture and threw it away. Notice how we see the picture there while trying to get the train started up, but the next time we have the chance to see it is after Duck and Kat's deaths, where it has suddenly vanished. Kenny probably didn't want to see a happy, smiling family after his own had been taken away from him so he got rid of the photo.

Vernon mentioned the train because that was where the herd was coming into town. The herd followed the train, and thus would have hit Savannah from the railroad tracks. As a doctor, Vernon would have had little to nothing to do with trains before the apocalypse. He might be trying to get his group to the train and get them away from Savannah, but it isn;t because of some unknown link to Chuck.

[george1120]

Originally Posted by Rock114

I would assume that the train shut off on its own, or Chuck turned it off after the accident so it wouldn't attract walkers. If Chuck was going to do something to the picture, he had three months to do it. I find it entirely more likely that Kenny took the picture and threw it away. Notice how we see the picture there while trying to get the train started up, but the next time we have the chance to see it is after Duck and Kat's deaths, where it has suddenly vanished. Kenny probably didn't want to see a happy, smiling family after his own had been taken away from him so he got rid of the photo.

Vernon mentioned the train because that was where the herd was coming into town. The herd followed the train, and thus would have hit Savannah from the railroad tracks. As a doctor, Vernon would have had little to nothing to do with trains before the apocalypse. He might be trying to get his group to the train and get them away from Savannah, but it isn;t because of some unknown link to Chuck.

i believe the photo was missing from after chuck's appearance, and that was before kat and duck died.

[george1120]

and think about it, that train driver's head was blown off, didn't seem like a head injury.

[Rock114]

I always thought it got smushed into the glass, which was the reason for the bloody hole in it. Plus, the smushed side is on the driver's left if I recall, which would be where the wound was if he slammed into the glass while looking at the picture.

[TheNNerdGamer]

Originally Posted by george1120

and think about it, that train driver's head was blown off, didn't seem like a head injury.

imagine it like this:

you are the train conductor, then the train cart wheels go loose, your head goes flying to the window then BAM! half your head is gone

[Viner16]

2 Words.

Conspiracy. Theory.

[Dildor]

I think it's a brilliant theory, minus the train conductor part but who knows.

[LGThomas]

Love this theory. It makes you think twice how and why Chuck ended-up in the sewers so close to the entrance of Vernon's bunker. At first, I just took if for granted he went down there to hideout; now I'm thinking: he tried to get back to the group in the morgue or more sinisterly he did get back to the group and they murdered him and left him to the walkers.

This may be meant as a big revelation in the last episode, who knows...