Chuck is Vernon's brother.

[Fiddle Diddle]

I think that this is a bit of a stretch, I'm going to apply Occam's razor to this and just suggest that it's much more logical to assume the simpler conclusion; Chuck and Vernon didn't know each other, everything Chuck did and said was on the level (he kept no secrets), and the reason behind Vernon's ominous line "Y'all didn't come from the train tracks, did you?" is as of yet unknown and will possibly be further explained in Ep. 5.

[Panzer89]

Wow, there's grasping, and then there's this thread.

[Nathanial]

I'll have to replay Episode 3 I guess, but I could have sworn the broken window was to the side, not in front of the conductor of the train. And quite a distance away from where the driver was sitting. I always assumed, and still do, that the conductor killed himself. With a magnum. Hence the gigantic gaping hole/part of his head missing. It doesn't look like he crashed his head into glass... I've never heard of somebody crashing into glass, and half their head coming off in the process... oh, and then they get thrown back into the chair, seated perfectly.

I assumed it was suicide, with a magnum, which Chuck later grabs. Didn't Chuck have a magnum when you find him in the sewers?

I don't know if I would say that Chuck and Vernon are brothers and what not, but I would at least say that's where Chuck got the gun...

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Nathanial

I'll have to replay Episode 3 I guess, but I could have sworn the broken window was to the side, not in front of the conductor of the train. And quite a distance away from where the driver was sitting. I always assumed, and still do, that the conductor killed himself. With a magnum. Hence the gigantic gaping hole/part of his head missing. It doesn't look like he crashed his head into glass... I've never heard of somebody crashing into glass, and half their head coming off in the process... oh, and then they get thrown back into the chair, seated perfectly.

I assumed it was suicide, with a magnum, which Chuck later grabs. Didn't Chuck have a magnum when you find him in the sewers?

I don't know if I would say that Chuck and Vernon are brothers and what not, but I would at least say that's where Chuck got the gun...

his head looks flattened to me

[Panzer89]

Originally Posted by Nathanial

I'll have to replay Episode 3 I guess, but I could have sworn the broken window was to the side, not in front of the conductor of the train. And quite a distance away from where the driver was sitting.

Let me save you the trouble. It was the front viewing window. PIC 1 and PIC 2.

Originally Posted by Nathanial

With a magnum. Hence the gigantic gaping hole/part of his head missing.

I can't think of any conceivable shot angle that would cause that level of wound. It still makes more sense that his head was smashed on impact.

Originally Posted by Nathanial

It doesn't look like he crashed his head into glass... I've never heard of somebody crashing into glass, and half their head coming off in the process... oh, and then they get thrown back into the chair, seated perfectly.

I'd google train crash victims, but I don't feel like staring at real disfigured corpses. What your proposing is actually harder to believe and has zero set up to support it.


Speaking of set up, people need to read into the scene a little bit more and stop wildly guessing. They give a good long shot of the dead guys face and a good long shot of the smashed window. That's the game makers way of saying, "LOOK AT THIS! See? We're putting these two scenes together so you look at them and draw the conclusion that we was killed by slamming headfirst into the window."

Also magnum refers to when a bullet is a larger version of another bullet or uses more powder, it doesn't refer to any specific gun.

[george1120]

Originally Posted by Nathanial

I'll have to replay Episode 3 I guess, but I could have sworn the broken window was to the side, not in front of the conductor of the train. And quite a distance away from where the driver was sitting. I always assumed, and still do, that the conductor killed himself. With a magnum. Hence the gigantic gaping hole/part of his head missing. It doesn't look like he crashed his head into glass... I've never heard of somebody crashing into glass, and half their head coming off in the process... oh, and then they get thrown back into the chair, seated perfectly.

I assumed it was suicide, with a magnum, which Chuck later grabs. Didn't Chuck have a magnum when you find him in the sewers?

I don't know if I would say that Chuck and Vernon are brothers and what not, but I would at least say that's where Chuck got the gun...

I agree with you completely here on the head part. It didn't look like he could possibly have part of his head crushed by a train impact.

[george1120]

I also don't see anyone agreeing or denying that the man in the photo is Chuck. He could be Vernon, but that isn't likely considering the hair which looks just like Chuck's.

Besides, I doubt it is a coincidence that Chuck was in the train with another man looking like him in the photo. Seems like Chuck is the train driver after all honestly.

[Panzer89]

Originally Posted by george1120

I also don't see anyone agreeing or denying that the man in the photo is Chuck. He could be Vernon, but that isn't likely considering the hair which looks just like Chuck's.

Besides, I doubt it is a coincidence that Chuck was in the train with another man looking like him in the photo. Seems like Chuck is the train driver after all honestly.

You mean, this picture? I hate to break it to you, but I'm pretty sure this guy is wearing a hat.

Here's a nice up-close of the dead guy. Notice how the dark brows and well groomed beard match the photo?

Now contrast that with a picture of Chuck. Grey, almost completely white, brows and a poorly maintained beard to match.

The guy in the photo is just plain younger and much less weathered looking than Chuck.

[george1120]

hmm you have a good point, but I'm not sure.

[8Bit_System]

I always used to think he was shot from behind, but after some discussions on here and some rethinking I'm pretty sure the crash theory is the one to go with. The conductor's chair is very close to the window, so it would have been possibly to crash into the glass and back into the seat. Also, the force produced by a body being flung with 30 or so mph into a solid object is tremendous and could well crash a head open.

I also have to disagree on the photo showing Chuck. I don't think there is a lot of resemblance and it is not taken away after Chuck appears either.





The pic disappears after Duck has died, so my guess would be that Kenny takes it off.

[Moneymich383]

vernon says "I had a brother in macon"
chuck?
not sure if someone already said that?

[Panzer89]

Originally Posted by Moneymich383

vernon says "I had a brother in macon"
chuck?
not sure if someone already said that?

If the wiki is to be trusted on the subject he's from Clayton, and that's quite a ways away from Macon. Although I've never heard him make mention of this in game.

[trd84]

Doesn't look like Chuck to me.

[Pellet]

the picture is of the guy that smashed his head on the window.
Not hard to figure out.
People just want things to be more complicated than they already are

[Matrox Yang]

I continue to be surprised by the people who can't see that the train driver died by hitting his head on the glass in front of him. Seriously guys- sometimes the simplest solution really is the correct one. I know it's the walking dead but not every death is a murder.

[Fiddle Diddle]

Guys... come on now, I don't mean to rain on people's parades, aw who am I kidding, yes I do.

Chuck freakin' died right outside the doorstep of Vernon's cancer group. Lee and Vernon probably had to step over his dead body when navigating their way back to the house. And NO, I'm not going to budge on that, and here's why: When Lee goes back to the cancer group hideout (keep in mind that he left FROM THE HOUSE), he uses the same path to get there, which is through the hole in the wall. Vernon specifically mentions that he's using the sewers to navigate around the town.

Just face the simple truth. Chuck was a simple, honest man and had no choice but to go with the group. He got surrounded in a panic and tried to escape into the sewers, where he unfortunately died. His story is over, guys.

That said, we're all over-thinking this. I bid you all adieu and retire myself permanently from this thread.

[george1120]

lol k

[Corcline27]

Originally Posted by george110

I am completely surprised not one person mentioned this or how it is not mentioned in the wikia, but Chuck is a lot bigger of a character than it seems.

Play episode 3 again, and when you first enter the driver's room and see the dead body, remember how the guy was not killed by the walkers, nor turned into one, but was MURDERED? He didn't kill himself, someone shot him from the outside as evidenced by the glass. Now in this room, did anyone look at the photograph? It was a man with his wife and two kids. Guess who that was. Yes, Chuck.

Why would his picture be attached in the driver's room? Remember how Chuck just so happened to be living at the train? How the train somehow stopped on its own and was shut off? Remember how he strangely happened to be in the sewer with a gun that was never seen before, and how Vernon questioned Lee about the train? Is it weird that both Chuck and Vernon look alike? Lastly, did you notice how the picture disappeared after talking to Chuck for the first time and heading to the driver's room to find it missing? This cannot be a coincidence. Chuck used to work as a train driver, and Vernon knew about it.


So, what am I trying to get exactly? Well here is what I think. Chuck lied to Lee about not seeing his family in fourteen years. For all we know, he was probably on the train the day of the outbreak and after seeing what happened and the train stopping to possibly avoid hitting a car (seen next to the train where that zombie was inside still attached to the seat belt.) Chuck, who knew what was going on and was too afraid to take chances, shot the driver and shut off the train, using it as shelter. Possibly fearing death, he chose to stay indoors, going out only to find food and whatnot, drinking to keep him calm, assuming his family are dead.

Seeing how Kenny had the same drinking habits, this is very likely. Now here is where Vernon's story comes to mind:

Vernon and Chuck knew of their occupations and area of residence. When Chuck chose to fight off the walkers himself, he looked very confident. It appears that he still had his gun all along and used it to defend himself from the horde of zombies. Then, he went to go meet his brother and the cancer group on his own and possibly get them to help Lee. Realizing he was outnumbered and could not make it in time, he took his life with the last bullet of his gun.

Vernon, knowing of Chuck's occupation, went to the train, possibly to see if he was still there and also to see if they can use that as a method of transportation. As we don't know what happened to the group, this is probably the case.


Anyone want to say why you agree/disagree? Feel free to discuss.

Other than the train conductor theory this post is awesome!

[Hudomonkey]

It was a good theory but after the Vernon betrayal it gets rid of the idea about the train

I think the man could have been murdered by some using a blunt instrument but if that were the case it would probably be putting him out of his misery and I think a train accident is more likely

I don't think Vernon and Chuck have anything to do with each other

[Corcline27]

It would be too cool if they were bros