F*** Kenny

[Kiel555]

The group was shattered because of what happened in the meat locker. Kenny alone is to blame for everthing bad that followed. I did all I could to help Lilly afterwards but even I could see that her father being murdered by Kenny caused severe trauma to her mental well being. What kenny did cannot be overlooked or explained away. Simply put, you cannot murder someone elses family member in front of them and expect to maintain group harmony. That's what Lilly believed Kenny did to her and as YamiRaziel detailed in his post the consequences are upon us.

Kenny went against me in the meat locker and caused the loss of my friends by his foolish actions. What upset me the most was when he wanted to be thanked for brutalizing Lilly in that meat locker. I was more that happy to tell Kenny to go fuck himself at the end of e4.

[dukeleto]

As it is said on another thread; to get "bros for life speech", you should perform these:

save duck instead of shawn
back at the drug store tell kenny to kick Larry's ass
episode 2
give at least one member of his family food (duck), DO NOT give it to either lilly or larry
kill larry
side with him when he says "there's gonna be fallout".
episode 3
agree with him when he asks:"have you made your mind yet about leaving the Hotel".
side with him when Lilly's paranoia starts
leave lilly on the road
calm kenny on the train
episode 4
side with kenny when looking for a boat
side with him when he wants to kill ben
DONT DROP BEN WHEN THAT PART COMES!

He always needs something. It's like you are not playing this game but Kenny does.
And he always have someone to die in his agenda.

Proud with him, you Kenny lovers.
Clap clap clap

[YamiRaziel]

Rock114, I cannot really agree with your post.
In the meat locker scene, everybody was in danger. However, Katjaa and Duck were not in the immediate danger of Larry turning. They needed Katja, and if they want her to cooperate, they needed Duck alive. We can even say the were the safest of all.

You say that Lilly cannot stand people disobeying her. I have a hard time believing that. Lilly not wanting Carley to risk their lives and save some dumb strangers that yell like idiots is actually super smart. In the world of TWD you never, ever rush to strangers like that. They can be bandits, they can be anything. Carley disobeys and saves our group. Lilly yells for a while, but doesn't do anything.
Now, what does Kenny do when you disobey his orders? My Lee decided to help Larry, but he didn't let us. He was the first to take law into his hands. He was the first executioner. He was the first to disrespect our choices.
You cannot expect that such actions won't effect us. It traumatized Lilly and it affected my Lee. I started hating the guy and Lilly slowly became unstable.

As for Carley, why is not taking sides a bad thing? It's simple, really, somebody has to make decisions. When to people argue as to what's best for the group, you got to speak your mind. You can't avoid making decisions just because they are hard or because they will make you look bad.
Lilly does them, Kenny does them, even Lee does them. Carley just stays in the middle, because it suits her to be the good girl. She doesn't have to ration food right? It won't be Larry, Mark or Kenny who are gonna hate her for not feeding them. They are gonna hate Lilly. It's very convenient to never make your hands dirty.
Why hasn't Carley ever been in a conflict? Because she never speaks her mind. She tells Lee afterwards, but she never really shows her position.

Lilly was never the bad guy. She was one of the people who did the most for this group, who were ready to make what others were afraid of. She was a great leader, until Kenny ruined her life.

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by dukeleto

As it is said on another thread; to get "bros for life speech", you should perform these:

save duck instead of shawn -Done
back at the drug store tell kenny to kick Larry's ass- Threatened Larry myself
episode 2
give at least one member of his family food (duck), DO NOT give it to either lilly or larry- I gave food to Lilly
kill larry- Done
side with him when he says "there's gonna be fallout".- Done
episode 3
agree with him when he asks:"have you made your mind yet about leaving the Hotel".- I sat on the fence in this one
side with him when Lilly's paranoia starts- Done
leave lilly on the road- Done (Duh!)
calm kenny on the train- Done
episode 4
side with kenny when looking for a boat- Done
side with him when he wants to kill ben- Not done
DONT DROP BEN WHEN THAT PART COMES!- NOT DONE

He always needs something. It's like you are not playing this game but Kenny does.
And he always have someone to die in his agenda.

Proud with him, you Kenny lovers.
Clap clap clap

I didnt do exactly what you said i have to do and even saved Ben and i got the bro speech. Alot of those choices are simply doing the smart (leaving Lilly) or good (dont let Larry kill Duck) thing.

You bet im proud with him, I was nearly crying when he gave the bro speech.

Also Kiel and Yami, good harmony comes second to group survival. Lilly killing one person and then stealing the RV if you are stupid enough to side with her, is a much better result than everyone in the meat locker getting eaten and Carely/Ben getting ambushed AND Duck and Kat still in hands of cannibals.

[dukeleto]

Originally Posted by Wrighty

I didnt do exactly what you said i have to do and even saved Ben and i got the bro speech. Alot of those choices are simply doing the smart (leaving Lilly) or good (dont let Larry kill Duck) thing.

You bet im proud with him, I was nearly crying when he gave the bro speech.

Also Kiel and Yami, good harmony comes second to group survival. Lilly killing one person and then stealing the RV if you are stupid enough to side with her, is a much better result than everyone in the meat locker getting eaten and Carely/Ben getting ambushed AND Duck and Kat still in hands of cannibals.

You are talking like there may be NO way to get out of that meatlocker except busting Larry's head ?

I don't know man, even if I know this will cost everybody's life, I don't think that I may understand such selfishness and such despotic approach.
I think Kenny killed Larry because he afraid of being eaten. I can't believe that he did that for his family. He is such a jerk to get out of that RV and to help his own son and wife.

And I'm saying this again and again; please don't name these two together in same sentence: Kenny and Lilly.
They both killed someone with no matter what reason for,
+++BUT PLUS+++,
Kenny made many many many MANY and many stupid things including his false babbling ( I even don't mention of him leaving Lee SUDDENLY right inside an ambush unnecessarly even though he could have been helpful when you go in some store for supplies ), he even couldn't capable of protecting his own family. And his desire for killing a teenager, Ben ? God knows, I myself wish him dead for how many times because of his stupidity but when it comes to real life? Man, it is just a poor boy.

His desire for killing a teenager- Ben ? What was that, huh?
Mentioning to kill a teenager? ? ?
He does not only want him driven away but he wants him dead?
Don't you see? Are you guys drinking while playing or am I too partial of Kenny?
I don't know.

Etc etc... This list lasts forever...

I don't know man, I may be the most angry player who find Kenny irritating all around the world.
In NO TIME LEFT, his true self will be revealed I think.
And I'm sure you'll remember that bro speech of him

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by dukeleto

You are talking like there may be NO way to get out of that meatlocker except busting Larry's head ?

I don't know man, even if I know this will cost everybody's life, I don't think that I may understand such selfishness and such despotic approach.
I think Kenny killed Larry because he afraid of being eaten. I can't believe that he did that for his family. He is such a jerk to get out of that RV and to help his own son and wife.

And I'm saying this again and again; please don't name these two together in same sentence: Kenny and Lilly.
They both killed someone with no matter what reason for,
+++BUT PLUS+++,
Kenny made many many many MANY and many stupid things including his false babbling ( I even don't mention of him leaving Lee SUDDENLY right inside an ambush unnecessarly even though he could have been helpful when you go in some store for supplies ), he even couldn't capable of protecting his own family. And his desire for killing a teenager, Ben ? God knows, I myself wish him dead for how many times because of his stupidity but when it comes to real life? Man, it is just a poor boy.

His desire for killing a teenager- Ben ? What was that, huh?
Mentioning to kill a teenager? ? ?
He does not only want him driven away but he wants him dead?
Don't you see? Are you guys drinking while playing or am I too partial of Kenny?
I don't know.

Etc etc... This list lasts forever...

I don't know man, I may be the most angry player who find Kenny irritating all around the world.
In NO TIME LEFT, his true self will be revealed I think.
And I'm sure you'll remember that bro speech of him

If Larry turns while in the meatlocker, he will eat them all and no one escapes. Its as simple as that

How is it selfish? He obviously cares more about his family than himself, he rushed a guy with a gun to save his son.

False babbling? Give me an example. And shit happens, you cant blame him for not being able to protect Kat and Duck 100% of the time. He was a little busy getting the RV started so people could actually escape. Besides its not like we did such a good job with Clem, did we? :P

And of course he wants Ben dead, the guy is responsible for his entire family getting killed. And it happened two days ago, if i was in Kenny's position i would want the kid dead.

[dukeleto]

Originally Posted by Wrighty

If Larry turns while in the meatlocker, he will eat them all and no one escapes. Its as simple as that

How is it selfish? He obviously cares more about his family than himself, he rushed a guy with a gun to save his son.

False babbling? Give me an example. And shit happens, you cant blame him for not being able to protect Kat and Duck 100% of the time. He was a little busy getting the RV started so people could actually escape. Besides its not like we did such a good job with Clem, did we? :P

And of course he wants Ben dead, the guy is responsible for his entire family getting killed. And it happened two days ago, if i was in Kenny's position i would want the kid dead.

Larry was NOT dead, Lee was doing a heartmassage but then, guess what?
Even if he was dead, Kenny, man please have some respect to the family issues, it is not duty to handle the situation.
And if Larry would have turned, come on, they would easily take good care of that fat zombie Larry.

How long is a RV needed to get started?

Ben already said that he had been threaten by bandits. And he would have been never admitted his crime.
If I were Kenny, I'd blame myself for doing NOTHING when Lee mentioned about those bandits. It'd be much harder than blaming a poor guy, right?

Kenny babbling... Well, you will have to remember the boat issue, or the part he was drinking which I remember firstly.

This guy may be me. Please just look at that guy's face around 09:45 . Just priceless ----->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdrVfLuKO4g

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by dukeleto

Larry was NOT dead, Lee was doing a heartmassage but then, guess what?
Even if he was dead, Kenny, man please have some respect to the family issues, it is not duty to handle the situation.
And if Larry would have turned, come on, they would easily take good care of that fat zombie Larry.

How long is a RV needed to get started?

Ben already said that he had been threaten by bandits. And he would have been never admitted his crime.
If I were Kenny, I'd blame myself for doing NOTHING when Lee mentioned about those bandits. It'd be much harder than blaming a poor guy, right?

Kenny babbling... Well, you will have to remember the boat issue, or the part he was drinking which I remember firstly.

This guy may be me. Please just look at that guy's face around 09:45 . Just priceless ----->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdrVfLuKO4g

kenny did try to do something (leave in the RV) but lilly would scream until he stopped going on about it, what boat issue are you talking about? the only plan anybody had to survive more than a few weeks? and kenny was drinking because he lost the family he loved less than 2 days ago

that guy in the video was obviously anti kenny and the part he was playing Lee didn't die or get hurt, he was fine and if you help kenny he will help you, that is fair enough considering we aren't playing a game/character where we are the hero of the galaxy we are a normal guy that is either friends or just acquaintances with kenny

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by dukeleto

This guy may be me. Please just look at that guy's face around 09:45 . Just priceless ----->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdrVfLuKO4g

Love the reaction! That bastard Kenny....I knew he was going to leave Lee to die, again, but it was still shocking!

[Ninnuendo]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

kenny did try to do something (leave in the RV) but lilly would scream until he stopped going on about it

I must have missed the bit where he stopped bitching and tried to leave. In my game he was a complete coward who refused to leave unless everyone else went with him.

[dukeleto]

I guess, these opposite opinions are because we are all playing different games. All these different ideas are because of this.
Maybe, this game is creating heroes and heroines according to our choices? Which means "Kiel555", "YamiRaziel" and "I" have similar game choices hence "thestalkinghead", "Wrighty" and "Rock114" are on their own same scenario. Telltale Games is so clever ; they created a very charming story with many scandals among players' playthroughs.

I'm saying this because I'm reading many things about Kenny who is not even close to "my" Kenny, and Lilly who is completely someone else than "my" Lilly.
Tricky game it is

[deadk1ng]

Super awesome game though....and after many playthroughs i still say " f*** kenny"

[dukeleto]

Originally Posted by deadk1ng

Super awesome game though....and after many playthroughs i still say " f*** kenny"

You must be proud to have the thread where the maximum replies are.
But no surprise with that enormous title. Lets say it again;
" f*** kenny" !

[TheNNerdGamer]

Originally Posted by dukeleto

As it is said on another thread; to get "bros for life speech", you should perform these:

save duck instead of shawn
back at the drug store tell kenny to kick Larry's ass
episode 2
give at least one member of his family food (duck), DO NOT give it to either lilly or larry
kill larry
side with him when he says "there's gonna be fallout".
episode 3
agree with him when he asks:"have you made your mind yet about leaving the Hotel".
side with him when Lilly's paranoia starts
leave lilly on the road
calm kenny on the train
episode 4
side with kenny when looking for a boat
side with him when he wants to kill ben
DONT DROP BEN WHEN THAT PART COMES!

He always needs something. It's like you are not playing this game but Kenny does.
And he always have someone to die in his agenda.

Proud with him, you Kenny lovers.
Clap clap clap

choices by: TheNNerdGamer
lol

[HiggsBoson2142]

I saved Shawn. I seriously felt like the guy needed much more help than Duck. He was stuck under a tractor for God's sake, and I knew Kenny would rescue Duck, so my gut feeling was Shawn, and I still regret not helping the both of them to this day. As for when we first met Larry, I went badass mode on him. "Because it's me, before anybody else!" And I can blame Kenny for what happened at Hershel's, but I won't. The guy was scared. I probably would've done the same thing in this new world.

Then there was Episode 2, where things didn't go so well. When the feeding came up, I started off with my usual Clementine, then I went over to Larry, to get on his good side. I had two left. And I went over to.......Ben. I'm sorry! He just looked so helpless! Anyway, I offered the last piece to Kenny (Doug wouldn't take it). And he told me to feed Duck, so I did. Then he got mad, but realized I was feeding the kids, so, meh. As the Episode progressed, he left me for dead after the meat locker scene. I helped Lilly, which I actually regret doing...

When Episode 3 starts, I can automatically tell he doesn't like me. So when he asks me about staying or leaving, I panic and say we should go. But when we get back to the motel, I tell him the place is fine. Another horrible decision. When the time comes, I finish off Duck for him, and had to end up fighting him on the train.

Then Episode 4 comes in, and I notice that he treats everyone the same throughout the episode. Depressed and wrecked. But then Lee gets bit, and I turn to Kenny, getting the neutral speech, and I tell him I need him, when he says I've only been looking out for myself. I still feel sorry for the guy, and still care for him.

Basically for me, I wanted to help him, but everything that I thought was right was turning him against me. Eventually to the point where he decides I don't care what he thinks. That's why I have my Pro-Kenny second playthrough, but it just doesn't feel right...

[KCohere]

Did the writers really intend to make Kenny this unlikable? I guess its realistic. Sometimes people you think you can trust betray you and they are not who they seem. He's the Shane of the Walking Dead game for me.

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by dukeleto

Larry was NOT dead, Lee was doing a heartmassage but then, guess what?
Even if he was dead, Kenny, man please have some respect to the family issues, it is not duty to handle the situation.
And if Larry would have turned, come on, they would easily take good care of that fat zombie Larry.

How long is a RV needed to get started?

Ben already said that he had been threaten by bandits. And he would have been never admitted his crime.
If I were Kenny, I'd blame myself for doing NOTHING when Lee mentioned about those bandits. It'd be much harder than blaming a poor guy, right?

Kenny babbling... Well, you will have to remember the boat issue, or the part he was drinking which I remember firstly.

This guy may be me. Please just look at that guy's face around 09:45 . Just priceless ----->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdrVfLuKO4g

Larry's heart had stopped. Not to mention, last time he had a heart attack we had to get him medicine and im pretty sure CPR doesnt magically repair the heart anyway. You just dont know if he was dead. Also "respect to the family issues" shouldnt risk everyone getting devoured. Larry possibly turning into a zombie and killing everyone is not a simple "family issue". And Larry isnt fat, he is buff and huge. Not to mention no one in the meatlocker had any weapons.

The RV engine wasnt starting, the thing was old and needed repair. Not to mention, Kenny hadnt finished those repairs when the bandits attacked.

And why didnt Ben admit his crime? If Ben hadnt been stupid and actually told the group, Kenny's family would still be alive. I agree that Ben doesnt deserve to die, but i would feel different if the guy was responsible for my family getting wiped out a few days ago. How would you feel if Ben's stupidity got Clem and Carely killed? (if they were your family).

And what was the boat issue? Part where he was drinking?

[YamiRaziel]

You can keep your "Larry was dead" speech, but I won't make it true. Not two months ago, not now, not ever. Larry wasn't dead yet, he might have died, but he could've survived also.
The way Kenny approached the situation was beyond horrible, not to mention it wasn't his place to approach it at all.
You tell us to imagine stuff, now you imagine that Clem is in danger and she needs your and Kenny's help, and he just refuses to help you.
Oh, wait, you don't have to imagine it! It happens in episode 4. Congratulations!
Kenny needed my Lee many times, and I helped him in most of them. Lilly needed me only this once, I helped her and he not only backstabbed us both, but he also had the insolence so blame me for it? Fuck Kenny!

In my playthrough I gave him the chance to leave with his family in the RV. His asnwer was "yeah so Lilly and Carley will stay with you, and who do I got? Ben?".
He wants to control people more than he cares about his family. Deny it as much as you want, but he actually enjoys giving orders.
For God's sake he wanted us to pack into that broken RV when he hadn't even repaired it. It was just that he had to complain, whine and do it his way.

The motel was a great place to be. Macon was close for supplies and had Ben told us about his deal with the bandits, we could've been prepared and taken them out.
There are bandits and evil people everywhere - Crowford, Woodbury, Atlanta... the St. John's farm... There are worse places to be than that Motor Inn. At least there we know the surrounding area and we know who we are dealing with.

[TheNNerdGamer]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

You can keep your "Larry was dead" speech, but I won't make it true. Not two months ago, not now, not ever. Larry wasn't dead yet, he might have died, but he could've survived also.

correction:

No one knows if he was alive or dead

[dukeleto]

Originally Posted by TheNNerdGamer

correction:

No one knows if he was alive or dead

I think Yami meant with his comment that:

No one in that meatlocker has sounded this quote before Kenny went with that salt thing:

"Oh gosh.. OK, he is dead..."

I think this is fair enough here to guess if he was NO DOUBT dead or not.