Team Lily to the end (appreciation thread)

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

i was talking about lilly in all kinds of playthroughs she never does anything i would consider to have any value to the group and she never demonstrates any leadership qualities , i have seen the best and worst of lilly and kenny, and kenny's best is better than lilly's and lilly's worst is worse than kennys

Yeah, I don't know if it's a benfit or not to see every possible outcome through multiple playthroughs. I think it detatches a person from "their" story. But hey, that's just me. You're looking at Lilly from a comparitive perspective of knowing everything that could happen based on different dialogue choices. I just know the one Lilly and the one Kenny.

BTW, that secret dukeleto told you...feel free to tell others because it is so true!

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Kiel555

Yeah, I don't know if it's a benfit or not to see every possible outcome through multiple playthroughs. I think it detatches a person from "their" story. But hey, that's just me. You're looking at Lilly from a comparitive perspective of knowing everything that could happen based on different dialogue choices. I just know the one Lilly and the one Kenny.

BTW, that secret dukeleto told you...feel free to tell others because it is so true!

i am pretty stubborn so once i make my mind up i don't like to change it, so even though lilly is nicer in my pro lilly play through, i still keep my initial opinion of her and its hard to shake off so i have to role play it as a guy that liked lilly when we first met

and what are you talking about? our secret conversation was secret, nobody can know about it

[dukeleto]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

Secret:
i don't really like lilly

Uh-oh! You just broke the very first rule of this thread.
Nobody can mention unliking Lilly and turns back and goes! BANG! (now THIS was a Lilly-kinda thing)

I don't know what the secret is or is not but I know that Telltale has a big secret which reasons people like us to discuss two imaginary protagonists' different characteristics in their possible alternate zombie-filled virtualities :P

[YamiRaziel]

Dude, among all the stupid things you said that I'm not even gonna bother discussing, can you please answer me how was Lilly bad at rationing food and how was Kenny better in that?
You know when you discussing something, you are supposed to back your opinion with some explanation. She's like this, she's like that, isn't a valid argument even in a forum environment.

[dukeleto]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Dude, among all the stupid things you said that I'm not even gonna bother discussing, can you please answer me how was Lilly bad at rationing food and how was Kenny better in that?
You know when you discussing something, you are supposed to back your opinion with some explanation. She's like this, she's like that, isn't a valid argument even in a forum environment.

Yami, I think we are talking uselessly.
I guess, these opposite opinions are because we are all playing different games. All these different ideas are because of this.
Maybe, this game is creating heroes and heroines according to our choices? Which means "Kiel555", "YamiRaziel" and "I" have similar game choices hence "thestalkinghead", "Wrighty" and "Rock114" are on their own same scenario. Telltale Games is so clever ; they created a very charming story with many scandals among players' playthroughs.

I'm saying this because I'm reading many things about Kenny who is not even close to "my" Kenny, and Lilly who is completely someone else than "my" Lilly.
Tricky game it is

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Dude, among all the stupid things you said that I'm not even gonna bother discussing, can you please answer me how was Lilly bad at rationing food and how was Kenny better in that?
You know when you discussing something, you are supposed to back your opinion with some explanation. She's like this, she's like that, isn't a valid argument even in a forum environment.

i didn't say kenny was better at rationing food (he doesn't do that) Lilly was bad at rationing food because we ended up with just a few bites of food before she told everybody we had ran out of food and when it came down to the last of the food she couldn't handle the responsibility of not feeding everybody (because of her bad rationing technique) and gave the responsibility to lee when it was brought up that she isn't good at handling the food

[YamiRaziel]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

i didn't say kenny was better at rationing food (he doesn't do that) Lilly was bad at rationing food because we ended up with just a few bites of food before she told everybody we had ran out of food and when it came down to the last of the food she couldn't handle the responsibility of not feeding everybody (because of her bad rationing technique) and gave the responsibility to lee when it was brought up that she isn't good at handling the food

That is so not true. Have you even paid attention to the dialogue?
First of all, everybody knew they've been running out of food. She didn't told them the last day, they knew from the very beginning.
Secondly, her technique was perfect and much much better than yours. She had a lottery and the winners received food. It's chance and it's fair. Had she fed only the people she liked, some would have definitely died out of starvation. She let Lee do it the last dauy, so he can understand how hard it is. She didn't want to see people starve too but there was nothing she can do.
Seriously, you are speaking nonsense. Replay the episode, you clearly misunderstood most of it.

[Pellet]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Dude, among all the stupid things you said that I'm not even gonna bother discussing, can you please answer me how was Lilly bad at rationing food and how was Kenny better in that?
You know when you discussing something, you are supposed to back your opinion with some explanation. She's like this, she's like that, isn't a valid argument even in a forum environment.

sheesh its the internet, who cares

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

That is so not true. Have you even paid attention to the dialogue?
First of all, everybody knew they've been running out of food. She didn't told them the last day, they knew from the very beginning.
Secondly, her technique was perfect and much much better than yours. She had a lottery and the winners received food. It's chance and it's fair. Had she fed only the people she liked, some would have definitely died out of starvation. She let Lee do it the last dauy, so he can understand how hard it is. She didn't want to see people starve too but there was nothing she can do.
Seriously, you are speaking nonsense. Replay the episode, you clearly misunderstood most of it.

no you misunderstood, it was the last of the food else everybody would have some (a bite to eat isn't enough anyway), and mark thought her rationing technique was bad and if everybody knew it was the last of the food everybody would have wanted to move to get more food, they only knew food was short not totally gone, also a lottery is idiotic that would mean that you could not get any food ever because you lost every time = not fair at all, are you saying she didn't feed everybody each time and that some got none each rationing, that is stupid

[dukeleto]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

no you misunderstood, it was the last of the food else everybody would have some (a bite to eat isn't enough anyway), and mark thought her rationing technique was bad and if everybody knew it was the last of the food everybody would have wanted to move to get more food, they only knew food was short not totally gone, also a lottery is idiotic that would mean that you could not get any food ever because you lost every time = not fair at all, are you saying she didn't feed everybody each time and that some got none each rationing, that is stupid

That's not unfair, that is life itself. This is not about luck factor but about randomizing.

So, please share your own solution with us. If you ever been in such condition, what would you do my dear friend? I'm dying to hear.

You guys are just only not seeing that your Kenny's sins&faults ARE three times more than our Lilly.
You can only claim her for not doing that "rationing thing right" or for killing
Carley, or stealing the RV. And what then? ? ?

But I can claim Kenny for not helping Shawn (when he took his own boy he can drop him down and obey him to wind up to his mother and come back to help instead of getting away), I can claim him for killing Larry or stealing from car or leaving me behind with zombies in that drugstore(Ep.03) or pushing me to the edge with his terrible ideas about leaving- killing somebody or something else he wants...
Or I can claim him for wanting a teenager to die or drinking in a serious situation instead of cooperating with me or for not looking after Clementine, or his desire of not taking everybody on boat, or for yelling at me any single chance he had and criticizing all my decisions...
And lastly, I didn't experience it but I heard that if you don't choose "Kenny, I need you" or "Clem is like a family" dialogs in the end, he is turning around and leaving Lee be. WHAT A LIFETIME BRO!

These are the first things I could remember. And I'm not eager to sort any more, but I'm sure there are much more if I could remember properly.

And pretty please, at least realize it that whichever Kenny you were dealing with was false&shifty&selfish&despotic&useless scumbag. It was you who installed the meaning on him.

[PatPlaysTWD]

>_> This thread pisses me off. I'm sorry, but Lilly fans are becoming the New Carley fans.

*sees thread with Kenny related* OMFG KENNY'S AN ASSHUUL FUCK HIM

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by dukeleto

That's not unfair, that is life itself. This is not about luck factor but about randomizing.

So, please share your own solution to us. If you ever been in such condition, what would you do my dear friend? I'm dying to hear.

You guys are just only not seeing that your Kenny's sins&faults ARE three times more than our Lilly.
You can only claim her for not doing that rationing thing right or for killing
Carley, or stealing the RV. And what then? ? ?

But I can claim Kenny for not helping Shawn (when he took his own boy he can drop him down and obey him to wind up to his mother instead of getting away.), I can claim him for killing Larry or stealing from car or leaving me behing with zombies in that drugstore or pushing me to the edge with his terrible ideas about leaving- killing somebody or something else he wants...
Or I can claim him for wanting a teenager to die or drinking in a serious situation instead of cooperating or for not looking after Clementine, or his desire of not taking everybody on boat, or for yelling at me and criticizing my all decisions...
And lastly, I didn't experience it but I heard that if you don't choose "Kenny, I need you" or "Clem is like a family" dialogs in the end, he is turning around and leaving Lee be. WHAT A LIFETIME BRO!

These are the first things I could remember. And I'm not eager to sort any more, but I'm sure there are much more if I could remember properly.

And pretty please, at least realize it that whichever Kenny you were dealing with was false&shifty&selfish&despotic&useless scumbag. It was you who installed the meaning on him.

i would feed everyone and if we were running out of food i would tell everyone exactly the situation and we would move to get more food.

and actually if you are kenny's friend he is always there for you.

and to match your list of bad things kenny does

lilly doesn't want you in her group and tries to make you leave, she either agrees with larry or doesn't stand up to him when he wants to throw out Duck, she is bad at rationing food, she screams at you for saving ben's life, she leaves you to die when andrew is trying to kill you, she clings onto her leadership role even when she is clearly incapable of performing her role, she kills carley in cold blood and doug by accident after trying to kill ben (extremely bad), she abandons all of the group by the side of the road leaving them with no transport, and then that is it she is gone and no more chances to be crazy.

[dukeleto]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

i would feed everyone and if we were running out of food i would tell everyone exactly the situation and we would move to get more food.

and actually if you are kenny's friend he is always there for you.

and to match your list of bad things kenny does

lilly doesn't want you in her group and tries to make you leave, she either agrees with larry or doesn't stand up to him when he wants to throw out Duck, she is bad at rationing food, she leaves you to die when andrew is trying to kill you, she clings onto her leadership role even when she is clearly incapable of performing her role, she kills carley in cold blood and doug by accident after trying to kill ben (extremely bad), she abandons all of the group by the side of the road leaving them with no transport, and then that is it she is gone and no more chances to be crazy.

At LEAST she DID NOT leave you behind with zombies when you need a hand.
Never mind, I'm not trying to change your ideas. But your list is kinda look "if you side with Kenny" thing to me(except killing Carley/Doug and stealing the RV). But I don't think my list is as depending to choices as yours, hence he was not offering to steal from a car or wasn't leaving you behind to zombies or if he wasn't drinking, with your playthrough?

My examples were not variable according to players' choices, I think. It is Kenny by all means.
But yours kinda seems to me a bit changeable by choices made from person to person.
What do you say?

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by dukeleto

At LEAST she DID NOT leave you behind with zombies when you need a hand.
Never mind, I'm not trying to change your ideas. But your list is kinda look "if you side with Kenny" thing to me(except killing Carley/Doug and stealing the RV). But I don't think my list is as depending to choices as yours, hence he was not offering to steal from a car or wasn't leaving you behind to zombies or if he wasn't drinking, with your playthrough?

My examples were not variable according to players' choices, I think. It is Kenny by all means.
But yours kinda seems to me a bit changeable by choices made from person to person.
What do you say?

kenny helps you with the zombies if you help him with larry, and there is nothing wrong with saving you own child or having a drink when you had lost your family less than 2 days ago and its not stealing from a car if nobody owns the car

[dukeleto]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

kenny helps you with the zombies if you help him with larry, and there is nothing wrong with saving you own child or having a drink when you had lost your family less than 2 days ago

I'm not arguing saving his child, I'm arguing his behaviour after it.
He saved him but just after it, he got away instead coming back to help!

It is ridicilous to drink if you are sticking with a group. If you are willing to drink, then go somewhere else or leave the group be as Lilly did, then drink how much you like.

What a bro! Ready to help you if you have helped him to kill someone.

"its not stealing from a car if nobody owns the car "...
This theory is correct when you are on sea (about boats)

Nah, never mind. It was a cool chitchat, let's finish this here, I think people got bored.
All the best with the final episode (and with that d.ckhead :P)

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by dukeleto

I'm not arguing saving his child, I'm arguing his behaviour after it.
He saved him but just after it, he got away instead coming back to help!

It is ridicilous to drink if you are sticking with a group. If you are willing to drink, then go somewhere else or leave the group be as Lilly did, then drink how much you like.

What a bro! Ready to help you if you have helped him to kill someone.

Nah, never mind. It was a cool chitchat, let's finish this here, think people got bored
All the best with the final episode (and with that d.ckhead :P)

well i would say drinking is not as bad as murder and checking your child is ok is normal, but i guess that's just my opinion

[dukeleto]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

well i would say drinking is not as bad as murder and checking your child is ok is normal, but i guess that's just my opinion

Talking about murders, please check that guy's reaction at around 13:50. Look at the disappointment.------>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJIky...feature=relmfu

Hahahah, it is marvellous!

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by dukeleto

Talking about murders, please check that guy's reaction at around 13:50. Look at the disappointment.------>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJIky...feature=relmfu

Hahahah, it is marvellous!

is that you again i didn't even like lilly before that and i let her back in the RV (i saved doug though) so she threw me out of the RV and stole it

[dukeleto]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

is that you again i didn't even like lilly before that and i let her back in the RV (i saved doug though) so she threw me out of the RV and stole it

If you were good to her, she suggests you to leave together and then she wants you to go and get Clem, then she steals it.

I mean leaves you to your chance with that train :P

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by dukeleto

If you were good to her, she suggests you to leave together and then she wants you to go and get Clem, then she steals it.

I mean leaves you to your chance with that train :P

that was just a lie to get you to leave the RV and she lies about knowing your past, so that's a couple of things i left off the list