Episode 5 Disappointment (vent here) **SPOILERS**

[MaroubraDave]

Telltale,
Firstly i would like to say great game and a fantastic concept. However the ending i would say is not so great. While it is very well made and certainly tugs at your heart strings, I didn't play the game and wait for the ending only to find out i die anyway... Now i know people may argue that you didn't see lee actually turn so maybe he will be ok, but the fact you left it this way is really a let down to the series. I was really looking forward to the last episode but in all honesty it just brought me down and i kinda wish i stopped playing at episode 4. There should be an alternative ending where you can at least live... Just my opinion.

[rwnz]

It was pretty obvious he was gonna die dude, even before the bite. A lot of us saw it coming from the start -- sacrifice yourself for Clem. I know me and my partner thought that was how it would end at the end of the first chapter

Although I'd like there to be a secret ending where he does live... One possible outcome, by choosing the /exact/ right choices at EVERY part and it's the only way. So literally EVERY decision counts :P That would be awesome to try and figure out, and really add some replay value. For me, at least. I wanted him to live so badly And cutting off his hand was so real to me, I didn't want him to go through that but I wanted him to live even more.

[Saoralba131]

I made Clementine shoot him...it had to be done.

[aguyuno]

Originally Posted by MaroubraDave

Telltale,
Firstly i would like to say great game and a fantastic concept. However the ending i would say is not so great. While it is very well made and certainly tugs at your heart strings, I didn't play the game and wait for the ending only to find out i die anyway... Now i know people may argue that you didn't see lee actually turn so maybe he will be ok, but the fact you left it this way is really a let down to the series. I was really looking forward to the last episode but in all honesty it just brought me down and i kinda wish i stopped playing at episode 4. There should be an alternative ending where you can at least live... Just my opinion.

Walking dead tv show, comics, and this game... they've all been pretty depressing, think about it. It's reality based - Lee was effed, he just had one last thing.

No, I thought the ending was actually perfect. My only disappointment was the lack of seeing Molly at any point. Not even zombie Molly or something, which is REALLY annoying considering you do see zombie Andrea at one point.

[rwnz]

^ Not Andrea, surely? Do you mean that chick who won the contest...? I forget her name. Or do you actually mean Andrea from the comic? If so, WHERE?

[Dave of Canada]

The entire point of the season was Lee's redemption story, whether or not Lee was truly a bad man and the circumstances surrounding his survival and taking care of Clementine--his death was the only way it was going to go down.

You call it disappointing that you couldn't live but you're supposed to want to feel like you have an option of surviving, it's why I cut Lee's hand off and desperately acted in denial throughout the entire episode.

If you thought Lee was going to walk into the sunset with Clementine at the end of the episode, you're (un)dead wrong. This isn't Disney's The Walking Dead.

[Sodawasser]

I know that this is already in the Spoiler Forum but i repeat: don't read if you haven't finished the new episode!!
I let my Lee back for dying, so Clem didn't have to waste ammo :P
Does Kenny also die if there is no Ben in the group?
Do Omid and Krista survive all the time?
Was in your end Clementine also alone on a field?

[thebigbad]

The end of episode 4 made it pretty obvious that that was the direction things were heading. Now I'm not gonna lie, I had Lee chop off his arm and I hoped that it would be enough to save him, but alas it was not to be. Ever since the end of episode 4 I was pretty much of the mindset that Lee HAD to save Clementine before it was too late, and he did so. He died a hero in my book and while I would have loved for Lee to survive, I am perfectly content with the ending we got.

Also, this is the Walking Dead...chances of happy endings are never going to be great.

[MaroubraDave]

Originally Posted by Dave of Canada

The entire point of the season was Lee's redemption story, whether or not Lee was truly a bad man and the circumstances surrounding his survival and taking care of Clementine--his death was the only way it was going to go down.

You call it disappointing that you couldn't live but you're supposed to want to feel like you have an option of surviving, it's why I cut Lee's hand off and desperately acted in denial throughout the entire episode.

If you thought Lee was going to walk into the sunset with Clementine at the end of the episode, you're (un)dead wrong. This isn't Disney's The Walking Dead.

Yes i'm not debating the fact we saw it coming (lee dying) i'm saying it's shit that you play a whole game only to end up dying no matter what you do. And what "option"? He dies whether you cut it off or not... WTF is the point. All that for stupid clem...

[savi]

Stupid Clem!? >:l without Clem there'd be no Lee! He had a reason to really fight, something to protect and keep his mind sane until the very end ....T_T

[DarthVader1333]

It feels like I'm the only person who kept his arm, I knew in the end it wasn't going to help him. I wish he never got bitten to begin with but then it wouldn't have been such a huge driving force for him to find Clem.

I'm also kind of upset with the fact he got handcuffed at the end (which I know was to protect Clem) but it makes me feel that he ended his life how we all saw him begin his journey: a handcuffed prisoner. I felt after all his struggle & sacrifice he still ended up where he was going before it all started, I think he deserved better than that.

[ZombieGoBoom]

I'm okay with Lee's death. I went into this game prepared to do anything to keep Clem and the characters I care about safe. I just wish I had just a little more info on Clem's fate.

[Destmond]

I can see why a few people are disappointed by the way things went in episode 5. But all it really seems like to me is "This didn't end how I wanted it to and that annoys me". :3

From the very beginning I felt like the game's "true" focus was Clementine. Lee did have his own story, and playing as Lee, every player is going to explore his backstory and generally relate to him more.
But Lee was Clem's protector, from episode 3 onward it was made clear you could never be 100% sure that everything was going to be okay and that Lee was basically preparing Clementine for how difficult surviving was to be.

Maybe I'm just a little biased because I expected a sad ending from having gotten used to The Walking Dead comics, but that's just how The Walking Dead stories go. It's the apocalypse, things are tragic, and unfair, and if every dramatic, messed up, terrifying moment in the game series existed only to lead to a one in a million chance that Lee lives and they both walk away, it would defeat the whole point.



Tl;dr version: It's a zombie apocalypse, Clementine survived. That's a happy enough ending for me.

[Xebioz]

Originally Posted by Destmond

I can see why a few people are disappointed by the way things went in episode 5. But all it really seems like to me is "This didn't end how I wanted it to and that annoys me". :3

From the very beginning I felt like the game's "true" focus was Clementine. Lee did have his own story, and playing as Lee, every player is going to explore his backstory and generally relate to him more.
But Lee was Clem's protector, from episode 3 onward it was made clear you could never be 100% sure that everything was going to be okay and that Lee was basically preparing Clementine for how difficult surviving was to be.

Maybe I'm just a little biased because I expected a sad ending from having gotten used to The Walking Dead comics, but that's just how The Walking Dead stories go. It's the apocalypse, things are tragic, and unfair, and if every dramatic, messed up, terrifying moment in the game series existed only to lead to a one in a million chance that Lee lives and they both walk away, it would defeat the whole point.



Tl;dr version: It's a zombie apocalypse, Clementine survived. That's a happy enough ending for me.

Actually, the only thing I don't like about the ending is the lack of impact of 'your story' on it. Ben dies no matter what just like Carley/Doug before, same with Kenny, Omid and Christa live no matter what (atleast what I've seen anyway) and the boat gets taken no matter what. And now I'll finally be able to say to all of those "The game isn't done yet, choice will come in episode 5" people, that no it didn't. And that is my main problem with it.

After episode one and two this was one of my favorite if not my favorite story adventure game, but now it's Heavy Rain again just because atleast there you feel like you make a noticable impact on the story.

[JamesM98]

The ending was both good and bad for me.

The way Lee died in that room, handcuffed to the radiator was very good. Just thinking about him lying there as the story continues if very 'The Walking Dead'.

I didn't like a few things, but the Stranger was the biggest disappointment. When he was telling Lee his sob story, I thought Lee was going to get up and slap him with his good hand then walk out with Clementine. He just didn't seem legit to me.

There was a lot of potential with that character. Maybe he could've been charged by her parents to save Clem, maybe he could've been part of some other group. He might have had a kid in Savannah he was looking after and genuinely thought he was more capable, or maybe he was just a murderous psychopath?

Instead he was the moron that abandoned his car. Right, ok.

Great game though, gutted we have to wait for Season 2. I feel like I'm always waiting for such small doses!

[BlankCanvasDJ]

Originally Posted by Xebioz

Actually, the only thing I don't like about the ending is the lack of impact of 'your story' on it. Ben dies no matter what just like Carley/Doug before, same with Kenny, Omid and Christa live no matter what (atleast what I've seen anyway) and the boat gets taken no matter what. And now I'll finally be able to say to all of those "The game isn't done yet, choice will come in episode 5" people, that no it didn't. And that is my main problem with it.

Sure it did. The story stayed the same but the reasons things happened, the circumstances, the nuances of the scenes, those changed. That's a lot more natural than "Click this for Branch A and this for Branch B".

And for those complaining about Lee dying at the end...Clementine lived! In The Walking Dead, that's considered a happy ending.

[Planeforger]

Originally Posted by Xebioz

Actually, the only thing I don't like about the ending is the lack of impact of 'your story' on it. Ben dies no matter what just like Carley/Doug before, same with Kenny, Omid and Christa live no matter what (atleast what I've seen anyway) and the boat gets taken no matter what. And now I'll finally be able to say to all of those "The game isn't done yet, choice will come in episode 5" people, that no it didn't. And that is my main problem with it.

Personally, I can't say that this ever bothered me. I only played through the game once, so all of my choices felt important at the time.

I guess that you'd only really notice the lack of impact if you reloaded after every decision, or replayed each chapter to get different results. But for a first playthrough...well, it worked.

[Xebioz]

Originally Posted by Planeforger

Personally, I can't say that this ever bothered me. I only played through the game once, so all of my choices felt important at the time.

I guess that you'd only really notice the lack of impact if you reloaded after every decision, or replayed each chapter to get different results. But for a first playthrough...well, it worked.

Yeah, but the point of having a "Your choices matter" game, is for replayability. For Heavy Rain I have no clue how long I've spent on that game. Everytime I play it something is different than last time I played it. And before haters attack me I know that this has a fraction of the money that Heavy Rain had behind it, but then don't sell it as a "Your choices matter" game.

Again, as an adventure game it's great. As an interactive story it isn't.

[Xebioz]

Originally Posted by BlankCanvasDJ

Sure it did. The story stayed the same but the reasons things happened, the circumstances, the nuances of the scenes, those changed. That's a lot more natural than "Click this for Branch A and this for Branch B".

And for those complaining about Lee dying at the end...Clementine lived! In The Walking Dead, that's considered a happy ending.

Ehm... Again it's not about Lee dying (some of my favorite Heavy Rain endings are where it partly goes to shit). And it isn't about 'click this get branch A' either. If you've played heavy rain you would know that for instance a scene is about you disposing of fingerprints you've left behind in a store. Either you manage it on time, or you are called in by the police changing the next segment of the game for this one character. It's not about having a concrete choice about where the game is going, but that your choices end up CHANGING the story (even if the completely opposite of what you think is going to happen does).

So I think you're misunderstanding what I'm looking for here. Because what I'm looking for is what was advertised as their major selling point.

[BenIsKindaCool]

I just...I just stopped the game where you find Ben in this....God
I was crying SO much when he said that he never saw his family and..
I'm...Fuck..So sad