Is this racist?

[Panzer89]

Originally Posted by Doctanian

After that travesty that was T-Dog's character

Exactly what was wrong with T-Dog? He was the biggest fan favorite next to Darryl.

[lilTomTom]

Originally Posted by K0t0

Uh-huh, eric, aside from the fact that nothing you said there is right, it reveals the true reason to your bully problems. Oh nooooo I'm suuuure it was being white that got you picked on...not the fact that you display narrowmindedness, not knowing what fox is and how it irritates everyone, racism, bad taste in entertainment (no rly, fg lacks any of wit and professional directors have even exclaimed their eyerollyness at how poorly fg is written. Its VERY telling that you dont like 'british humour', the polar opposite of the hated family guy 'humour'. Family guy expects its audience to be unintelligent which is why it takes 5 mins just to tell a bland joke, british humour makes a joke and moves on quickly, relying on an intelligent audience to pick up subtlety, so yeah not for you =)) and that you get touchy when told otherwise.

You can't really turn a blind eye on racism. I'm an advocate for equal rights when it comes to discrimination against: age, sex, religion, sexual orientation and race. And it really grinds my gears when people who pretend like white people do not get driscriminated against as well.

IT DOES HAPPEN. What Eric experienced could have possibly been racism or it could have just been obnoxious individuals. We will never know because racism can easily be masked. One thing about the past before the civil rights movement... people actually had the balls to admit they were racist. Now a days people like to pretend they are not but really harbor animosity torwards individuals. By making comments or doing things subliminally. If you question their motives they will quickly deny being racism or turn it on to you... or worst (and the most common) pretend you are just 'imagining' things or paranoid.

I know it all, being born in raised in the south I've seen and lived it. So don't tell me other wise.

Now to those on this notion about having a female lead would be a bad idea. Why would it? So what if people will sexualize her? Maybe if people will stop writing them that way it wouldn't be so hard. Lara croft was a walking sexual stereotype (tight fitting short top that shows her middrift and short shorts?) Not a fair argument to throw her in.

If anything. If telltale decides to make a female lead character. Why not make her a mother with 2 kids she is looking after during the apocalypse? Its hard to sexualize her that way, and she'd be believable. Then again we have sickos here who still would. (Honestly those threads about Carley and Molly are pathetic. )

Anyways. Stopping now before someone makes a comment about me writing a novel or doing the TL;DR (the epitome of rudeness).

[Eric Northman]

Originally Posted by lilTomTom

If anything. If telltale decides to make a female lead character. Why not make her a mother with 2 kids she is looking after during the apocalypse?

Good point. Did you ever see the mini web episodes that were (or are, I'm not sure) on the AMC website? At the end a mother is trying to get her kids to a safe place, but she winds up getting bitten and so she sacrifices herself in the hopes that she can give her kids enough time to get away (she winds up as the half eaten zombie that Rick comes across in the first episode). She isn't a hero in the traditional sense, but it was very touching the way she sacrificied herself for the good of her kids. If done right, then having a female as the main character might actually work out well.

[Eric Northman]

Originally Posted by Panzer89

Exactly what was wrong with T-Dog? He was the biggest fan favorite next to Darryl.

He answered that earlier, he thinks that the travesty was that T-Dog's character didn't get to develop as much as other characters on the show.

[george1120]

Originally Posted by Doctanian

Is it racist to wish that the season 2 protagonist will be another minority?

I mean, with Lee, the game broke so many unfortunate traditions in gaming. And with the Walking Dead in general. After that travesty that was T-Dog's character, I was glad to have Lee. But now that he's gone, I fear TellTale will go the typical cut and paste brown-haired white male route.

I know it shouldn't matter, but on a certain level, it does. Especially when it comes to video games and the representation of diversity. I mean, majority of video game protagonists look like this:



We have enough Nathan Drakes. Your thoughts?

most of those pictured have black hair...

[Panzer89]

Originally Posted by Eric Northman

He answered that earlier, he thinks that the travesty was that T-Dog's character didn't get to develop as much as other characters on the show.

I think he had about as much as Carol did up until he died. They just aren't main characters.

[lilTomTom]

Originally Posted by Eric Northman

Good point. Did you ever see the mini web episodes that were (or are, I'm not sure) on the AMC website? At the end a mother is trying to get her kids to a safe place, but she winds up getting bitten and so she sacrifices herself in the hopes that she can give her kids enough time to get away (she winds up as the half eaten zombie that Rick comes across in the first episode). She isn't a hero in the traditional sense, but it was very touching the way she sacrificied herself for the good of her kids. If done right, then having a female as the main character might actually work out well.

I did see the first two mini-webisodes but never watched the whole thing. That sounds sad but thats a believable character.

[slough]

OP, it's never racist to want more minority representation in the media. Don't worry about these guys are saying.

And yeah, guys, skin color/gender/ability might not matter to YOU, when YOU see people who look like you all the time, but it does matter to lots of other people. I'll admit that I probably can't understand even close to entirely because I'm white what it's like to try to find positive media as a person of color, but I am a minority in at least two other ways that impact my life on a daily basis... and for one of them, I can honestly say I have never seen a positive representation in gaming. It's not shallow or racist or sexist at all to want to see more positive representation of people who look like you or face similar challenges, especially when representation that isn't stereotyped/troped/negative is really hard to find. Visibility does not necessarily mean acceptance.

[eblocksonian]

Originally Posted by george1120

most of those pictured have black hair...

Brown and black is dependent on user settings (seriously).

[Eric Northman]

Originally Posted by slough

OP, it's never racist to want more minority It's not shallow or racist or sexist at all to want to see more positive representation of people who look like you or face similar challenges, especially when representation that isn't stereotyped/troped/negative is really hard to find. Visibility does not necessarily mean acceptance.

Lee starts out in the back of a cop car after murdering his wife's lover, and a lot of the options you have as you play Lee don't cast him in a positive light. I get wanting to see more minorities, what I don't like is hearing "I don't want any more white people." That is racist and insulting, and I think that a person can make their point without resorting to that kind of talk. Either way, it's just my opinion.

[Tyrant]

People want more diversity. That means, yes. Less white men. The world is changing and becoming more diverse, people are just tired of seeing the same kind of faces over and over again.

It's starting to get repetitive, and I'm glad Kirkman and Telltale have taken a few steps to address it.

[HiggsBoson2142]

Originally Posted by John W.

A black Scotsman.

My God it would break so many molds.

"Oh they're gonna have to glue you back together. In hell!"

[slough]

Originally Posted by Eric Northman

Lee starts out in the back of a cop car after murdering his wife's lover, and a lot of the options you have as you play Lee don't cast him in a positive light. I get wanting to see more minorities, what I don't like is hearing "I don't want any more white people." That is racist and insulting, and I think that a person can make their point without resorting to that kind of talk. Either way, it's just my opinion.

You totally missed the point of my post.

1) It's impossible to be racist against white people. I'm not going to argue with you about this so let's agree to disagree.
2) I'm white, as I said before, lol. I don't have an issue playing white people but I think that we have had plenty of positive representation and it's time to let other people have a turn every once in a while. And not every white person is a grizzled guy in their 30s, either. I'd like to see more characters like me, as OP would. To me personally, skin color doesn't matter so much, but I totally understand where they are coming from.
3) Lee is extremely nuanced and that's what's great about his character, but I feel uncomfortable saying more because, again, I'm white and I don't think it's really my place to say if his representation was negative or not.

[Cerrano]

Originally Posted by Doctanian

Funny thing is that you could easily make a zombie fiction meme where the majority of heroes are african american males. Just look at the Romero movies and their remakes alone. Lee fits right in with them. I'm reading Road to Woodbury right now and one of the main characters Josh is another that comes to mind. I don't think there is anything wrong with the OP hoping for a character he could relate to. Personally, I don't really care who stars in the next game as long as they are someone sympathetic.

[Panzer89]

Originally Posted by slough

1) It's impossible to be racist against white people.

This is wrong on so many levels.

[Cerrano]

you could add delusional and retarded to that too.

[Eric Northman]

Originally Posted by slough

You totally missed the point of my post.

1) It's impossible to be racist against white people. I'm not going to argue with you about this so let's agree to disagree.
2) I'm white, as I said before, lol. I don't have an issue playing white people but I think that we have had plenty of positive representation and it's time to let other people have a turn every once in a while. And not every white person is a grizzled guy in their 30s, either. I'd like to see more characters like me, as OP would. To me personally, skin color doesn't matter so much, but I totally understand where they are coming from.
3) Lee is extremely nuanced and that's what's great about his character, but I feel uncomfortable saying more because, again, I'm white and I don't think it's really my place to say if his representation was negative or not.

1) That arguement comes from a lack of understanding about what racisim is and is most oflten spouted by racists that don't want to take responsibility for their hateful thoughts and deeds. I couldn't disagree with you more, but as long as you are willing to leave it alone, then I will agree to disagree with you.

2) Most games in this country are made by whites, and played by people that also happen to be white. It is understandable that the characters are also frequently white as well. To be frank, I don't care about my characters skin color all that much.

3) You have the right to your opinion, no matter what your skin color is. Lee can be seen as both negative and positive. You shouldn't need to have black skin in order to say that.

[Eric Northman]

Originally Posted by Cerrano

you could add delusional and retarded to that too.

I don't know what happened to all of the gifts and advantages that I was supposed to receive for being born white (maybe they mixed up my address and sent them to somebody else), but someone sure owes me one hell of an explanation.

[Jennifer]

I'm closing this because this has degraded too much. Please don't insult other users in the future. It's alright to argue, but it's not OK insult people's posts or to insult people's beliefs, style, or tastes. Please be considerate to people in the future.