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Freeze · 11/23/2012, 08:29 pm

What really intrigued me about the character is that she's not the same Lilly from the comics. There are two Lillys. There's Telltales Lilly where she's this ex pilot / hardened lady who's father is Larry but then there's Kirkman's Lilly who has a completely different father and traits etc. So I do think she may make a reappearance in Season 2.

quietthinker · 11/23/2012, 08:59 pm

Freeze is right. I think they started out with the Lillie's being the same, but that's not the case anymore. If you read the Walking Dead novel Road to Woodury, you see that that Lilly is completely different. And the Lilly from teh novel is the one from the comics, I believe.

Tienak · 11/24/2012, 02:16 am

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Originally Posted by Pickles312

Doug out of cold blood.
...

1) Why do people still like her?

2) Why do people think she will come bak even though that isn't cannon to the comics?

I wouldn't say she kills Doug out of cold blood, she goes to kill Ben but Doug takes the bullet for him so it was more of an accident.

I liked her because she was a strong woman, I agreed with both Kenny and Lilly but Kenny went to far with murdering her father.

She did come back, there is a book based on her but in the book she's a feeble woman with a diffrent father who died in a diffrent way so...yeah, not worth the read, really.

TylrChynnSchlr · 11/24/2012, 05:17 am

Ugh, yeah, no Lilly is a bitch. Sorry, but it's true. When you first meet her, she's a bitch to you and Kenny and his family. I know she thinks we're dangerous or whatever, but does it look like we have weapons? We're just people trying to survive and she wants to kick us out and leave us for the walkers.

Then when Larry needs his pills, she tries to act all nice and asks you to get the pills but she never apologizes. Then, in Episode 2, even if you don't side against Kenny and just try to remain neutral she's a bitch to you about handing out the rations. And if you don't give her or Larry any, she's a bitch to you. She's also a bitch to Lee, Mark, and Kenny when they bring Ben and Travis or Mr. Parker. Where, again, she doesn't care that these people are trying to survive.

In the meat locker, if you kill Larry just for the sole purpose of trying to protect Clementine, she won't save you with Andy St. John. But if you don't help Kenny kill Larry, that's really the only time she has your back.

In Episode 3, she's probably the biggest bitch. I know she's grieving and has gone a bit over the edge, but still. She's a bitch to you when you bring back the supplies from the pharmacy and she's, for some reason, dead set on not leaving the motor inn, even though the bandits threaten their safety. She's kinda bitchy about that, and then she's also just being a bitch when she asks Lee to start a witch hunt over the missing supplies.

But then the moment where Lily really crosses the line, is when she shoots Doug/Carley. She definitely shot Carley in cold blood. Didn't even hesitate. Same thing with Doug. While she didn't mean to shoot him, she was trying to shoot Ben, which is just as awful.

And finally, if you let her on the RV, and you've sided with her all the time, since day one, she tells you she's taking the RV and leaving, and she asks you if you want to come with her. If you say yes, and go to get Clementine, she takes off without you. And if you say no, she pushes you off the RV and then leaves.

Anyway, all I'm trying to say is Lilly is a bitch. I don't know why people think she's likable and I've kinda forgotten the point of this reply, but yeah. I agree with you. I don't know why people still care about Lilly.

Doctanian · 11/24/2012, 05:18 am

Because she brought tension to the group. The best moments I had besides Clem was arguing with her. She and Kenny's power struggle was a fucking fantastic element that got cut short because the writers wanted to push that lame "Campman" storyline.

Lilly could've been a major character to the end, yes, she's from the comics, but the TV show obviously doesn't give two fucks considering she hasn't showed up yet, so why should the game?

Pickles312 · 11/24/2012, 06:03 am

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Originally Posted by Freeze

What really intrigued me about the character is that she's not the same Lilly from the comics. There are two Lillys. There's Telltales Lilly where she's this ex pilot / hardened lady who's father is Larry but then there's Kirkman's Lilly who has a completely different father and traits etc. So I do think she may make a reappearance in Season 2.

Both with the same last name?

thespanner · 11/24/2012, 06:06 am

I hated Lily from the start, mainly because I read the comics and KNOW.

Pickles312 · 11/24/2012, 06:07 am

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Originally Posted by Doctanian

Because she brought tension to the group. The best moments I had besides Clem was arguing with her. She and Kenny's power struggle was a fucking fantastic element that got cut short because the writers wanted to push that lame "Campman" storyline.

Lilly could've been a major character to the end, yes, she's from the comics, but the TV show obviously doesn't give two fucks considering she hasn't showed up yet, so why should the game?

The Tv show isn't cannon to the comics, the game is.

Doctanian · 11/24/2012, 07:24 am

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Originally Posted by Pickles312

The Tv show isn't cannon to the comics, the game is.

No, the game isn't. In the game, Lilly's dad is named Larry. In the comics, he's named Everett. In the game, Kenny kills him. In the comics, he sacrifices himself to save Lilly.

Pickles312 · 11/24/2012, 07:26 am

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Originally Posted by Doctanian

No, the game isn't. In the game, Lilly's dad is named Larry. In the comics, he's named Everett. In the game, Kenny kills him. In the comics, he sacrifices himself to save Lilly.

That doesn't happen in any comic, it happens in a novel based on the comics.

Doctanian · 11/24/2012, 07:46 am

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Originally Posted by Pickles312

That doesn't happen in any comic, it happens in a novel based on the comics.

Isn't the novel canon to the comics? It's supposed to explain Lilly's back story which isn't explained in the comics or the games.

So either the game, written by TellTale is canon or the novels, written by the series creator is canon.

Ugh, I hate it when series become cash cow franchises. It wrecks continuity.

Pickles312 · 11/24/2012, 07:54 am

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Originally Posted by Doctanian

Isn't the novel canon to the comics? It's supposed to explain Lilly's back story which isn't explained in the comics or the games.

So either the game, written by TellTale is canon or the novels, written by the series creator is canon.

Ugh, I hate it when series become cash cow franchises. It wrecks continuity.

As far as I know it's just based on the novel, not cannon but I don't know.

Harry Callahan · 11/24/2012, 08:59 am

I just felt bad for her. She was under a massive amount of stress, trying to make the right decisions and being second-guessed at every turn. There was the added complication of having her only remaining family being a constant irritant on everyone else, so she's forever in the middle trying to referee between Larry and the others. A lot of her decisions on big things were wrong, in my opinion (holing up in the motel over the winter with no supplies?) but she also had to organize things like the rationing which would have people hating her no matter what she did. Eventually she saw everyone just start flat-out ignoring her, or openly defying her leadership, and made a desperate stab at regaining control by escalating way over the line. It was a horrible thing to do, but (just as with Lee, who also killed someone in a moment of pain and anger) it doesn't make her irrevocably evil.

Pickles312 · 11/24/2012, 09:05 am

Okay...

"People don't like me." *Shoots face of Carley/Doug*

StreetsAhead24 · 11/24/2012, 09:16 am

well lilly is definitely not a popular character and her fans are definitely in the minority. I was definitely pissed when she shot Carley but she was losing it and if she was more sane at the time it would never have happened.

I don't like her but it doesn't mean that she can't bring an interesting dynamic or interactions with the new cast in season 2. It could be interesting and bring some tense drama in the game.

One thing's for sure, there's no way i'm letting the protagonist I play trust her lol

quietthinker · 11/24/2012, 09:18 am

The novel and game are both canon to the comics. It's just that there are two different woman named Lilly. The Lilly in the game, and the Lilly in the comic/novel.

Pickles312 · 11/24/2012, 09:39 am

Both with the same last name and occupation? That's awfully strange.

quietthinker · 11/24/2012, 09:44 am

They don't have the same occupation. They do have the same last name, but everything else is very different about them. I agree it's strange to have them have teh same exact name, but nothing else about them is the same.

Pickles312 · 11/24/2012, 09:46 am

Sorry, the walking dead wiki screwed me up.

Edit: But once again none of this is said in the actual comics.

ZacTB · 11/24/2012, 10:06 am

I hope they leave whether she is comic Lilly ambiguous. I like to think she is, and to me 'Road to Woodbury' doesn't exist. I really liked her character and was interesting seeing how she dealt with the fact my Lee and Kenny killed Larry. Really weird/cool to think that my actions could have caused her to do what she did in the comics. I hope she doesn't return, but not because she killed Carley (I do love to hate her about that though). Plus I don't think Clementine would accept her coming back after what she did.

11/24/2012, 09:44 am	#38
quietthinker Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9	They don't have the same occupation. They do have the same last name, but everything else is very different about them. I agree it's strange to have them have teh same exact name, but nothing else about them is the same. Last edited by quietthinker; 11/24/2012 at 09:46 am. Reason: Sorry, I was wrong.

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11/23/2012, 08:29 pm	#21
Freeze Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 103	What really intrigued me about the character is that she's not the same Lilly from the comics. There are two Lillys. There's Telltales Lilly where she's this ex pilot / hardened lady who's father is Larry but then there's Kirkman's Lilly who has a completely different father and traits etc. So I do think she may make a reappearance in Season 2.

11/23/2012, 08:59 pm	#22
quietthinker Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9	Freeze is right. I think they started out with the Lillie's being the same, but that's not the case anymore. If you read the Walking Dead novel Road to Woodury, you see that that Lilly is completely different. And the Lilly from teh novel is the one from the comics, I believe.

11/24/2012, 05:17 am	#24
TylrChynnSchlr Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 15	Ugh, yeah, no Lilly is a bitch. Sorry, but it's true. When you first meet her, she's a bitch to you and Kenny and his family. I know she thinks we're dangerous or whatever, but does it look like we have weapons? We're just people trying to survive and she wants to kick us out and leave us for the walkers. Then when Larry needs his pills, she tries to act all nice and asks you to get the pills but she never apologizes. Then, in Episode 2, even if you don't side against Kenny and just try to remain neutral she's a bitch to you about handing out the rations. And if you don't give her or Larry any, she's a bitch to you. She's also a bitch to Lee, Mark, and Kenny when they bring Ben and Travis or Mr. Parker. Where, again, she doesn't care that these people are trying to survive. In the meat locker, if you kill Larry just for the sole purpose of trying to protect Clementine, she won't save you with Andy St. John. But if you don't help Kenny kill Larry, that's really the only time she has your back. In Episode 3, she's probably the biggest bitch. I know she's grieving and has gone a bit over the edge, but still. She's a bitch to you when you bring back the supplies from the pharmacy and she's, for some reason, dead set on not leaving the motor inn, even though the bandits threaten their safety. She's kinda bitchy about that, and then she's also just being a bitch when she asks Lee to start a witch hunt over the missing supplies. But then the moment where Lily really crosses the line, is when she shoots Doug/Carley. She definitely shot Carley in cold blood. Didn't even hesitate. Same thing with Doug. While she didn't mean to shoot him, she was trying to shoot Ben, which is just as awful. And finally, if you let her on the RV, and you've sided with her all the time, since day one, she tells you she's taking the RV and leaving, and she asks you if you want to come with her. If you say yes, and go to get Clementine, she takes off without you. And if you say no, she pushes you off the RV and then leaves. Anyway, all I'm trying to say is Lilly is a bitch. I don't know why people think she's likable and I've kinda forgotten the point of this reply, but yeah. I agree with you. I don't know why people still care about Lilly.

11/24/2012, 05:18 am	#25
Doctanian Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 271	Because she brought tension to the group. The best moments I had besides Clem was arguing with her. She and Kenny's power struggle was a fucking fantastic element that got cut short because the writers wanted to push that lame "Campman" storyline. Lilly could've been a major character to the end, yes, she's from the comics, but the TV show obviously doesn't give two fucks considering she hasn't showed up yet, so why should the game?

11/24/2012, 06:06 am	#27
thespanner Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 26	I hated Lily from the start, mainly because I read the comics and KNOW.

11/24/2012, 08:59 am	#33
Harry Callahan Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 18	I just felt bad for her. She was under a massive amount of stress, trying to make the right decisions and being second-guessed at every turn. There was the added complication of having her only remaining family being a constant irritant on everyone else, so she's forever in the middle trying to referee between Larry and the others. A lot of her decisions on big things were wrong, in my opinion (holing up in the motel over the winter with no supplies?) but she also had to organize things like the rationing which would have people hating her no matter what she did. Eventually she saw everyone just start flat-out ignoring her, or openly defying her leadership, and made a desperate stab at regaining control by escalating way over the line. It was a horrible thing to do, but (just as with Lee, who also killed someone in a moment of pain and anger) it doesn't make her irrevocably evil.

11/24/2012, 09:05 am	#34
Pickles312 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 120	Okay... "People don't like me." Shoots face of Carley/Doug

11/24/2012, 09:16 am	#35
StreetsAhead24 Salt lick of justice Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 99	well lilly is definitely not a popular character and her fans are definitely in the minority. I was definitely pissed when she shot Carley but she was losing it and if she was more sane at the time it would never have happened. I don't like her but it doesn't mean that she can't bring an interesting dynamic or interactions with the new cast in season 2. It could be interesting and bring some tense drama in the game. One thing's for sure, there's no way i'm letting the protagonist I play trust her lol

11/24/2012, 09:18 am	#36
quietthinker Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9	The novel and game are both canon to the comics. It's just that there are two different woman named Lilly. The Lilly in the game, and the Lilly in the comic/novel.

11/24/2012, 09:39 am	#37
Pickles312 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 120	Both with the same last name and occupation? That's awfully strange.

11/24/2012, 09:46 am	#39
Pickles312 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 120	Sorry, the walking dead wiki screwed me up. Edit: But once again none of this is said in the actual comics.

11/24/2012, 10:06 am	#40
ZacTB Woodbury Bound Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 234	I hope they leave whether she is comic Lilly ambiguous. I like to think she is, and to me 'Road to Woodbury' doesn't exist. I really liked her character and was interesting seeing how she dealt with the fact my Lee and Kenny killed Larry. Really weird/cool to think that my actions could have caused her to do what she did in the comics. I hope she doesn't return, but not because she killed Carley (I do love to hate her about that though). Plus I don't think Clementine would accept her coming back after what she did.