**** Survived!!!! :eek:

[Harry Callahan]

Lee's totally alive! He gets saved by Carley, who's feeling much better after having a relaxing nap in the road and has been tracking him all this time. Not only that, but the zombie plague has been cured! The first chapter of Season 2 is all about Lee and Carley's wedding, and everybody comes, including a lot of other people who turned out to have survived, such as Kenny, Ben, Duck, Katjaa, Chuck, Doug, Larry (who had a change of heart and became nice), Mark (whose legs grew back) and Lee's parents and brother. Daryl even make a special guest appearance to give them a big wedding cake he made out of squirrels. Then the RV drives up, loaded with wedding presents, and Lilly gets out and apologizes to Carley and they become best friends. DJ Doug rigs up an awesome sound system and everyone has a huge dance party. Afterwards Lee and Carley adopt Clem, even though Clem's parents are still alive, too, and then they have seven more babies, which all become best friends with Omid and Christa's baby. Then Guybrush Threepwood shows up and reveals that he was the one who cured the plague by using La Esponja Grande.

Seriously, that's exactly how it's going to go down, just wait and see.

[englishnick]

Blind, false hope. I'm as cut up about it as anybody... but he's dead as. Clem has already proved she can shoot straight on several occasions now, so I doubt she'd miss from 3 feet away. And if Lee were alive, Clementine wouldn't leave his side (reference her somehow dragging his unconcious body to garage when they were surrounded with zombies)... so the mini-epilogue wouldn't happen. If Lee were there, why would she be alone? Why would she have the pistol? Why would she look so uncertain and scared at the sight of the two figures on the hill?

Like I said... I wish Lee survived as much as anyone... but it just isn't the case.

[AnTea]

Originally Posted by Doctanian

Never said "Lee's alive" supporters were any better. Both sides are pretty rude. I just find it hilarious how people who say Lee's dead come to forums expressing new theories on his survival. It's like saying a room's empty, but checking it everytime someone says something's in there.

Dude, that's the point with internet.

[anonymau5]

Reasons why Lee is dead
1. He was shot at point blank range.
2. If he wasn't shot, he was still bitten, there is no cure for that.
3. In a more meta bit, It would be bad writing for TellTale to keep him alive
4. Okay, let's say that he survived: It doesn't matter. There is no chance that he'll track down Clementine again. We might get to play as him in season 2, but no one would like that.
5. Almost everyone had Lee handcuffed, and, he wasn't able to move right before Clem either took the shot, or left him, so why should he after she's gone? If he survived he would be stuck in that one building until he died of blood loss, thirst, or walkers.

[Doctanian]

Originally Posted by AnTea

Dude, that's the point with internet.

I know, I know. Still silly to me, though.

[Saracenar]

I'd like people to address my previous post about the stages of grief, but in the meantime, here's a glint of hope.

It's very possible we could play as Lee again in season 2!











But I can't imagine playing as a walker or a corpse would be that fun.

[Crixus]

My reaction to this thread

[Nunyabiznes]

Originally Posted by anonymau5

Reasons why Lee is dead
1. He was shot at point blank range.
2. If he wasn't shot, he was still bitten, there is no cure for that.
3. In a more meta bit, It would be bad writing for TellTale to keep him alive
4. Okay, let's say that he survived: It doesn't matter. There is no chance that he'll track down Clementine again. We might get to play as him in season 2, but no one would like that.
5. Almost everyone had Lee handcuffed, and, he wasn't able to move right before Clem either took the shot, or left him, so why should he after she's gone? If he survived he would be stuck in that one building until he died of blood loss, thirst, or walkers.

Reasons Lee is alive
(actually just conjecture to your reasons for him to be dead)
1. With her eyes closed, Clem could have missed.
2. His arm and the bite was, or will be, amputated, prior to the infection doing the worst of its damage... that plus a possible blood transfusion could be enough to save Lee (only the next season will tell for sure)
3. It would be more bad writing for TellTale not to leave the season with nothing to talk about. And as bad writing goes... Killing of the only main character, is real bad writing... no book that has ever tried it, does well.
4. As already stated before... The writers can just as simply put Kenny, or someone else for that matter, in that room minutes after Clem walks out and see that Lee needs help. They could either cut the handcuffs or use the key since Clem no longer needs them, she might not have taken the keys with her.

You see, since the next season has yet to come... you guys don't see the chance, but it's there.

(additionally I wasn't one of the ones that thought Carley was alive when they showed her shot in the head)

[Crixus]

Originally Posted by Crixus

My reaction to this thread

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

Reasons Lee is alive
(actually just conjecture to your reasons for him to be dead)
1. With her eyes closed, Clem could have missed.
2. His arm and the bite was, or will be, amputated, prior to the infection doing the worst of its damage... that plus a possible blood transfusion could be enough to save Lee (only the next season will tell for sure)
3. It would be more bad writing for TellTale not to leave the season with nothing to talk about.
4. As already stated before... The writers can just as simply put Kenny in that room minutes after Clem walks out and see that Lee needs help. He could either cut the handcuffs or use the key since Clem no longer needs them, she might not have taken them with her.

You see, since the next season has yet to come... you guys don't see the chance, but it's there.

(additionally I wasn't one of the ones that thought Carley was alive when they showed her shot in the head)

I..I Just..I can't, I can't even.....

[Nunyabiznes]

Originally Posted by Crixus

I..I Just..I can't, I can't even.....

I thinks it's funny you have nothing productive to say....except to lie about being the writer of episode 5.... since that's the case, nothing you have to say even counts. Which is why you cant.... you just cant.

[FollowLilly]

Originally Posted by Crixus

My reaction to this thread

this

i dont understand how people can be so obtuse
why do people think Lee fainted in the first place?
what, he just got tired of opening the elevator and took a nap on the floor?
at that point you know its already too late
cutting his arm off may have slowed it down, but you already know its spread too far at that point

[Crixus]

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

I thinks it's funny you have nothing productive to say....except to lie about being the writer of episode 5.... since that's the case, nothing you have to say even counts. Which is why you cant.... you just cant.

I cant believe you actually checked to see if the writer was called crixus. I was kidding.



Seriously though i can't tell you what to believe,if you want to keep up the hope that he is still alive you can,im just trying to spare you the dissapointment you'll feel when he isnt in season 2,alive at least

[FlyingMouse]

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

Reasons Lee is alive
(actually just conjecture to your reasons for him to be dead)
1. With her eyes closed, Clem could have missed.
2. His arm and the bite was, or will be, amputated, prior to the infection doing the worst of its damage... that plus a possible blood transfusion could be enough to save Lee (only the next season will tell for sure)
3. It would be more bad writing for TellTale not to leave the season with nothing to talk about. And as bad writing goes... Killing of the only main character, is real bad writing... no book that has ever tried it, does well.
4. As already stated before... The writers can just as simply put Kenny, or someone else for that matter, in that room minutes after Clem walks out and see that Lee needs help. They could either cut the handcuffs or use the key since Clem no longer needs them, she might not have taken the keys with her.

You see, since the next season has yet to come... you guys don't see the chance, but it's there.

(additionally I wasn't one of the ones that thought Carley was alive when they showed her shot in the head)

1) Presumably, she would open her eyes after shooting Lee and see the damage she did. We don't see that because the screen goes dark.

2) I don't know how help could reach Lee. The city their in is pretty empty (zombies don't count as people with medical training), and I doubt a random van of trained medical professionals could just happen upon Lee in the building he is in and magically have the tools to save him. Lee would be too weak to shout for help anyways if he did somehow survive the gunshot, or if he was really just fainting due to lack of blood.

3) Shakespeare. Tragic heroes. Would tell you an example of a main character dying off in a certain recent Rockstar video game, but I suppose that'd spoil it for some people. Clem was Lee's redemption after the crimes he committed (his flaw). Tragic heroes have flaws...And they die at the end of their plays/storylines).

Plus there is a lot of things to speculate about for season 2. Main characters? Is Kenny alright? How's Molly? I could go on...

4) I doubt Kenny or anyone would know they were in the building. Considering it was hard to get into and surrounded by zombies.

I appreciate your enthusiasm trying to prove your point though. :P But I think Lee coming back to life and suddenly being okay for another season would be an example of bad writing.

[Nunyabiznes]

Originally Posted by Crixus

I cant believe you actually checked to see if the writer was called crixus. I was kidding.

No one has to check to know you are not the writer.

[Crixus]

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

No one has to check to know you are not the writer.

Except you then?

[Nunyabiznes]

Originally Posted by FlyingMouse

1) Presumably, she would open her eyes after shooting Lee and see the damage she did. We don't see that because the screen goes dark.

2) I don't know how help could reach Lee. The city their in is pretty empty (zombies don't count as people with medical training), and I doubt a random van of trained medical professionals could just happen upon Lee in the building he is in and magically have the tools to save him. Lee would be too weak to shout for help anyways if he did somehow survive the gunshot, or if he was really just fainting due to lack of blood.

3) Shakespeare. Tragic heroes. Would tell you an example of a main character dying off in a certain recent Rockstar video game, but I suppose that'd spoil it for some people. Clem was Lee's redemption after the crimes he committed (his flaw). Tragic heroes have flaws...And they die at the end of their plays/storylines).

4) I doubt Kenny or anyone would know they were in the building. Considering it was hard to get into and surrounded by zombies.

I appreciate your enthusiasm trying to prove your point though. :P But I think Lee coming back to life and suddenly being okay for another season would be an example of bad writing.

1) As you said the screen went black so we will never know if she looked back. So why you chose no number this one, I have to clue.

2) Help could just walk through the door in the form of Kenny who was also looking to hook back up with the group looking for Clem ... Or, even as slim as the possibility is, there 'could' be someone with medical training walking by as the gun shot is fired. (now you know how help could reach him) There was a gun shot to alert people outside the door to someone living being in the building. (now you know how they were alerted without Lee having to shout)

3) Tragedies are not continual series.... they end because they are tragedies.

4) As I said before, the gun shot could have been heard... And since Lee was trying to open the door in his weakened state with a little girl, it's possible that the door can be opened with more effort from someone else. Or they could come in through the now unlocked door that Clem just exited from. Which would play even better for that being where they find the keys for the handcuffs.

I'm sorry to tell you folks... but there is a ton of reasons and easy ways to write the story with Lee being alive in Season 2. And there is more reason for Lee to be left for dead but survive that there is for the writers to suddenly have to re-create a new character from which you would have to play.

[Araron]

Lee.is.dead.

[Saracenar]

Nunyabiznes, please address my previous post, from page 3. I clearly lay out all the reasons that Lee cannot survive this.

In case you're too lazy or stubborn to, I'll help you out:

-Bites are 100$ fatal unless immediate amputation occurs. Was Lee's amputation immediate? No. He was already feeling the effects of the bite before he cut off his arm.
-Even if Clementine missed him, she would open her eyes afterwards and see that she had missed. Then she'd shoot him again or leave him (in which case, the bite, which cannot be stopped, would kill him).

Additional arguments:

-Where would help come from? Everyone Lee knows is long gone.
-Even if someone found him, it'd probably be too late.
-Even if it wasn't too late, and he was still alive, what are the chances this person has something on them that they can amputate with (but as I mentioned above, it doesn't matter any more), or that they have medical supplies (let alone something capable of performing a blood transfusion)? Slim chances.

Putting someone in that room the minute Clem leaves would be bad writing. Terrible writing.

As mentioned by FlyingMouse, read Shakespeare. Ever heard of Romeo and Juliet? Hamlet? Macbeth? I'm guessing not.

[Crixus]

There just ain't no reasoning with some folk. You could tell them the sky is blue yet they would argue that its purple

[Nunyabiznes]

Originally Posted by Araron

Lee.is.dead.

Hmmm but he's not shown as dead. So how do you know he's dead?