**** Survived!!!! :eek:

[Crixus]

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

Hmmm but he's not shown as dead. So how do you know he's dead?

You can't see the wind yet its there. People seen carrley get shot in the head and they still tried to say she was alive

[Saracenar]

Originally Posted by Crixus

There just ain't no reasoning with some folk. You could tell them the sky is blue yet they would argue that its purple

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

Hmmm but he's not shown as dead. So how do you know he's dead?

Still in denial, still ignoring my posts.

[Nunyabiznes]

Originally Posted by Saracenar

Nunyabiznes, please address my previous post, from page 3. I clearly lay out all the reasons that Lee cannot survive this.

In case you're too lazy or stubborn to, I'll help you out:

-Bites are 100$ fatal unless immediate amputation occurs. Was Lee's amputation immediate? No. He was already feeling the effects of the bite before he cut off his arm.
-Even if Clementine missed him, she would open her eyes afterwards and see that she had missed. Then she'd shoot him again or leave him (in which case, the bite, which cannot be stopped, would kill him).

Additional arguments:

-Where would help come from? Everyone Lee knows is long gone.
-Even if someone found him, it'd probably be too late.
-Even if it wasn't too late, and he was still alive, what are the chances this person has something on them that they can amputate with (but as I mentioned above, it doesn't matter any more), or that they have medical supplies (let alone something capable of performing a blood transfusion)? Slim chances.

Putting someone in that room the minute Clem leaves would be bad writing. Terrible writing.

As mentioned by FlyingMouse, read Shakespeare. Ever heard of Romeo and Juliet? Hamlet? Macbeth? I'm guessing not.

K... I will try as Im not a writer, They can chose to go in whatever direction they want.

But
-Bites are 100$ fatal unless immediate amputation occurs. Was Lee's amputation immediate? No. He was already feeling the effects of the bite before he cut off his arm.

(Answer) There is no proof that bites are 100% fatal (not even in the comics) But there is proof that they can be fatal. So with this, we know that the bite should be amputated as soon as possible. What I mean is that even if you have a snake bite victim where the poison has begun to reach the heart, you can still give a blood flush to clean the blood to save the victim. Lee's Blood loss could be that blood flush he needs to survive.

-Even if Clementine missed him, she would open her eyes afterwards and see that she had missed. Then she'd shoot him again or leave him (in which case, the bite, which cannot be stopped, would kill him).

(Answer) They never showed her look after the shot. So you really don't know that... you are only putting it in to fit your perspective. And I already discussed the bite. He could just need fresh blood. The writers could place that blood in his veins in a million different ways between now and the next season. You will have to just wait and see how they do it.

[Nunyabiznes]

Originally Posted by Saracenar

Agreed.



Still in denial, still ignoring my posts.

Actually I must have missed your last post on page 3 as described.... and you should give time before resorting to labeling someone as lazy or stubborn. As You can see I answered your questions above.

[Crixus]

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

K... I will try as Im not a writer, They can chose to go in whatever direction they want.

But
-Bites are 100$ fatal unless immediate amputation occurs. Was Lee's amputation immediate? No. He was already feeling the effects of the bite before he cut off his arm.

(Answer) There is no proof that bites are 100% fatal (not even in the comics) But there is proof that they can be fatal. So with this, we know that the bite should be amputated as soon as possible. What I mean is that even if you have a snake bite victim where the poison has begun to reach the heart, you can still give a blood flush to clean the blood to save the victim. Lee's Blood loss could be that blood flush he needs to survive.

-Even if Clementine missed him, she would open her eyes afterwards and see that she had missed. Then she'd shoot him again or leave him (in which case, the bite, which cannot be stopped, would kill him).

(Answer) They never showed her look after the shot. So you really don't know that... you are only putting it in to fit your perspective. And I already discussed the bite. He could just need fresh blood. The writers could place that blood in his veins in a million different ways between now and the next season. You wil have to just way and see how they do it.

I take it you have never seriously read the comics or watched the TV Show then?

[FlyingMouse]

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

They never showed her look after the shot. So you really don't know that... you are only putting it in to fit your perspective. And I already discussed the bite. He could just need fresh blood. The writers could place that blood in his veins in a million different ways between now and the next season. You wil have to just way and see how they do it.

Wouldn't Lee be groaning or react in some way if the shot missed him? He wouldn't remain perfectly still while watching Clem run away. He was a man ready to be killed, he didn't want to be a zombie (in certain playthroughs) so it wouldn't make sense for him to just be quiet.

Plus, if I was going through what he was going through. I'd be moaning in pain a lot.

[Nunyabiznes]

Originally Posted by FlyingMouse

Wouldn't Lee be groaning or react in some way if the shot missed him? He wouldn't remain perfectly still while watching Clem run away. He was a man ready to be killed, he didn't want to be a zombie (in certain playthroughs) so it wouldn't make sense for him to just be quiet.

Plus, if I was going through what he was going through. I'd be moaning in pain a lot.

Not really he was passing out.... people don't wake up due to pain in surgery because they are unconscious. It's the same if someone passes out due to extreme pain or loss of blood as in this situation.

[Crixus]

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

Not really he was passing out.... people don't wake up due to pain in surgery because they are unconscious. It's the same if someone passes out due to extreme pain or loss of blood as in this situation.

[Nunyabiznes]

Originally Posted by Crixus

I take it you have never seriously read the comics or watched the TV Show then?

Obviously you don't know anything about me Crixus so unless you have something constructive to say to the commentary or discussion, of which you have not so far...... move on or understand why there will no longer be a banter with your trolling.

[SabreNation]

LOL, don't bother guys. Denial is a POWERFUL thing and I guarantee you these "ZOMG! KENNY SURVIVED!!" and "ZOMG! NO WAY IS LEE DEAD!!!" are the exact same folks who were arguing tooth and nail after Episode 4 that Lee WASN'T really bit and if you play the video in super duper mega slow-mo and tilt your head and just the right angle at just the right moment you see the walker didn't actually bite down so CLEARLY Lee didn't get bit, he just got scratched and he's going to be fine.

You could bring out the very writers and designers who are creating season 2 right now to tell these folks, face-to-face, that Lee is absolutely, unequivocally dead and will not be returning and they would look at it as proof that they are correct ("SEE!! THEY'RE TRYING TO TRICK US!!! THEY WOULDN'T SAY THAT UNLESS HE WAS ACTUALLY ALIVE AND THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO SAY IT!!!")

This is The Walking Dead. Characters come and go like the seasons. Nobody is safe and major, important characters die often, usually in terrible ways. It's the way it is and it is part of what makes the world so special - that feeling that nobody is ever really safe and anyone could go at any given time in any given issue/episode.

[Crixus]

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

Obviously you don't know anything about me Crixus so unless you have something constructive to say to the commentary...... move on or understand why there will no longer be a banter with your trolling.

But i love the banter!

Seriously about lee though he was dead and....

[Crixus]

Originally Posted by SabreNation

LOL, don't bother guys. Denial is a POWERFUL thing and I guarantee you these "ZOMG! KENNY SURVIVED!!" and "ZOMG! NO WAY IS LEE DEAD!!!" are the exact same folks who were arguing tooth and nail after Episode 4 that Lee WASN'T really bit and if you play the video in super duper mega slow-mo and tilt your head and just the right angle at just the right moment you see the walker didn't actually bite down so CLEARLY Lee didn't get bit, he just got scratched and he's going to be fine.

You could bring out the very writers and designers who are creating season 2 right now to tell these folks, face-to-face, that Lee is absolutely, unequivocally dead and will not be returning and they would look at it as proof that they are correct ("SEE!! THEY'RE TRYING TO TRICK US!!! THEY WOULDN'T SAY THAT UNLESS HE WAS ACTUALLY ALIVE AND THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO SAY IT!!!")

This is The Walking Dead. Characters come and go like the seasons. Nobody is safe and major, important characters die often, usually in terrible ways. It's the way it is and it is part of what makes the world so special - that feeling that nobody is ever really safe and anyone could go at any given time in any given issue/episode.

I can accept the kenny theory's coz quiet frankly i am 50/50 on him but lee is 100% gone

[Nunyabiznes]

Originally Posted by SabreNation

LOL, don't bother guys. Denial is a POWERFUL thing and I guarantee you these "ZOMG! KENNY SURVIVED!!" and "ZOMG! NO WAY IS LEE DEAD!!!" are the exact same folks who were arguing tooth and nail after Episode 4 that Lee WASN'T really bit and if you play the video in super duper mega slow-mo and tilt your head and just the right angle at just the right moment you see the walker didn't actually bite down so CLEARLY Lee didn't get bit, he just got scratched and he's going to be fine.

You could bring out the very writers and designers who are creating season 2 right now to tell these folks, face-to-face, that Lee is absolutely, unequivocally dead and will not be returning and they would look at it as proof that they are correct ("SEE!! THEY'RE TRYING TO TRICK US!!! THEY WOULDN'T SAY THAT UNLESS HE WAS ACTUALLY ALIVE AND THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO SAY IT!!!")

This is The Walking Dead. Characters come and go like the seasons. Nobody is safe and major, important characters die often, usually in terrible ways. It's the way it is and it is part of what makes the world so special - that feeling that nobody is ever really safe and anyone could go at any given time in any given issue/episode.

If the writers were here saying that.......

But they are not. And so far there is no proof that Lee or Kenny are Dead.

[Crixus]

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

If the writers were here saying that.......

But they are not. And so far there is no proof that Lee or Kenny are Dead.

[Nunyabiznes]

Originally Posted by Crixus

What proof do you have that either Lee or Kenny is dead? Please post your screen shot. Otherwise move on Troll.

[Crixus]

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

What proof do you have that either Lee or Kenny is dead? Please post your screen shot. Otherwise move on Troll.

I never said Kenny is dead, i said i was 50/50 on it because you never see him die, Lee was bitten which is fatal, so he was always going to die, thankfully Clem killed him first by putting him out of his misery. Seriously your like the only person on this whole thread who doesnt think Lee is dead, i think you might be trolling. If so well played because you really made us all think that you actually thought lee was still alive

[Saracenar]

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

Actually I must have missed your last post on page 3 as described.... and you should give time before resorting to labeling someone as lazy or stubborn. As You can see I answered your questions above.

Sorry. I was a bit too quick to judge.

Originally Posted by Nunyabiznes

K... I will try as Im not a writer, They can chose to go in whatever direction they want.

But
-Bites are 100$ fatal unless immediate amputation occurs. Was Lee's amputation immediate? No. He was already feeling the effects of the bite before he cut off his arm.

(Answer) There is no proof that bites are 100% fatal (not even in the comics) But there is proof that they can be fatal. So with this, we know that the bite should be amputated as soon as possible. What I mean is that even if you have a snake bite victim where the poison has begun to reach the heart, you can still give a blood flush to clean the blood to save the victim. Lee's Blood loss could be that blood flush he needs to survive.

Robert Kirkman, creator of the Walking Dead, has said that bites are 100% fatal. He is god in this universe.

-Even if Clementine missed him, she would open her eyes afterwards and see that she had missed. Then she'd shoot him again or leave him (in which case, the bite, which cannot be stopped, would kill him).

(Answer) They never showed her look after the shot. So you really don't know that... you are only putting it in to fit your perspective. And I already discussed the bite. He could just need fresh blood. The writers could place that blood in his veins in a million different ways between now and the next season. You will have to just wait and see how they do it.

But why would it be like that? Why wouldn't she look at him? Are you saying she'd just turn around and run away, with her eyes closed the whole time? That doesn't seem right at all.

Obviously you aren't going to give up on this. I love Lee as much as the next person, and I was really sad about the ending. But he is dead. He isn't coming back. It'd just be plain bad writing for Telltale to pull something like that.

[WD40]

To quote a good song 'No safety or surprise, the end. I'll never look into your eyes...again'

Sometimes something is as thus presented. No surprise, no sudden safety from his fate, it is the end.

I took it as his end when the screen didn't transition screens, it didn't fade out, it simply dropped to black upon a silent screen. It was a clear sign to me that Lee had met his fate, seeing as he was the eyes of the player and that eye into the world was now gone.

[Crixus]

Originally Posted by WD40

To quote a good song 'No safety or surprise, the end. I'll never look into your eyes...again'

Sometimes something is as thus presented. No surprise, no sudden safety from his fate, it is the end.

I took it as his end when the screen didn't transition screens, it didn't fade out, it simply dropped to black upon a silent screen. It was a clear sign to me that Lee had met his fate, seeing as he was the eyes of the player and that eye into the world was now gone.

^ This

[Nunyabiznes]

Originally Posted by Saracenar

But why would it be like that? Why wouldn't she look at him? Are you saying she'd just turn around and run away, with her eyes closed the whole time? That doesn't seem right at all.

Obviously you aren't going to give up on this. I love Lee as much as the next person, and I was really sad about the ending. But he is dead. He isn't coming back. It'd just be plain bad writing for Telltale to pull something like that.

I 'am' saying that after she shot, she simply turned and ran... wanting to get out of there as fast as possible.

And sorry but I have no interest in playing the next season as a little girl. I'm sure the writers see that from most of the fans playing the game.