The ZA and pets [warning]

[CalDW19940]

Well would you do the same for a baby if it was crying? It is a tough choice to make.

As far as we know (going by TWD zombies) only humans are effected by the virus that causes zombification after death. The animals are immune to the bites and quite a lot of dogs should be able to escape a human or two if they need to with the cost of getting a few injuries. Some dogs are intellegent enough to know when it's time to fight or run and I think you could probably teach a dog or it will learn on it's own that barking or growling at the dead humans has no effect and will only cause more danger so will avoid doing so and most likely stay quiet if it's owner or whoever it's protecting is staying quiet.

I think it's possible you'd be able to have a dog with you in a ZA depending on it's breed, Chihauhuas would most likely not be all that much use even if it's trained to be quiet but a larger protective dog like a Retriever, Doberman, German Shepard or Rotweiller would not only have a more fighting chance and better odds of escaping but if it's got a close enough bond to it's group it would do just about anything to help by protecting young children or being able to alert it's owners of danger due to being able to smell or hear the dead much earlier than we'd be able to.

I am Legend is probably the closest thing we'd see to as an example to how helpful a dog would be in a ZA, I know the creatures in I am Legend were not exactly zombies but you have the remember that the main character managed to survive in a world with (FAST) zombie like creatures for 3 years by himself with only his dog companion until sadly the diseases that caused humans to be effected started crossing the species barrier and effected his dog. So long as the animals are still immune and were smart enough to know how to survive for the sake of your group and not to make noise then theyed be useful but if I found out a new strain started to effect animals then I'd treat it like I would any human who was bitten and just end it's suffering before it turns.

[RainbowSprinklz]

Originally Posted by CalDW19940

Well would you do the same for a baby if it was crying? It is a tough choice to make.

As far as we know (going by TWD zombies) only humans are effected by the virus that causes zombification after death. The animals are immune to the bites and quite a lot of dogs should be able to escape a human or two if they need to with the cost of getting a few injuries. Some dogs are intellegent enough to know when it's time to fight or run and I think you could probably teach a dog or it will learn on it's own that barking or growling at the dead humans has no effect and will only cause more danger so will avoid doing so and most likely stay quiet if it's owner or whoever it's protecting is staying quiet.

I think it's possible you'd be able to have a dog with you in a ZA depending on it's breed, Chihauhuas would most likely not be all that much use even if it's trained to be quiet but a larger protective dog like a Retriever, Doberman, German Shepard or Rotweiller would not only have a more fighting chance and better odds of escaping but if it's got a close enough bond to it's group it would do just about anything to help by protecting young children or being able to alert it's owners of danger due to being able to smell or hear the dead much earlier than we'd be able to.

Damn, I was just about to mention the baby crying and dogs not being able to be infected in TWD world

I personally don't think that being a human means that you are any better than a dog or cat. I would not kill another survivor just if they were a burden, and I would not kill any dogs or cats as I was raised to love them lol

[CalDW19940]

Originally Posted by RainbowSprinklz

Damn, I was just about to mention the baby crying and dogs not being able to be infected in TWD world

I personally don't think that being a human means that you are any better than a dog or cat. I would not kill another survivor just if they were a burden, and I would not kill any dogs or cats as I was raised to love them lol

Glad someone else at least thought about such things.

When society is all but gone and civilisation is in ruins then we really would be no different to the animals, we're just trying to survive all the same. If possible farm and domestic animals would still be pretty valuable with correct protection and training. If we're able to rely on one another for survival then we could help one another out a lot, the animals would have their natural instincts, loyalty and better overall senses (and possibly immunity to the bites) while the human members of the group would be able to function remaining technology and fire arms for protection aswell as being able to fortify areas for safety.

[demonteddybear]

Originally Posted by bdawgnit1785

If you have kids killing and eating your family pet isn't good for your (or kids) mental health. I would do it if we were starved but then eating the fucking dog will only help for about a day with food then what??? kids next? I mean I know it's a dog and not a person but I AM A PERSON and eating your dog IS just as bad as eating some survivor thats a stranger. Tell the military you killed and ate your dog...they will proly put you down with the walkers cuz it's not ok....NOT! whatever I'm dumb and would proly die but at least I would still have my humanity....jesus.

This is my last post on these forums. what the fuck. Not having fun talking about killing my dog...gave me fucking nightmares. Hope you all enjoy the 5th episode and have a happy thanksgiving. Peace out

Ok wait, its the ZA right? So uh your worried about your kids mental health over killing the family dog to keep them alive? Not the walking dead people trying to eat them alive. I am sure at that point killing the family pet is going to effect them a whole lot less then grandma eatting their face because fido started barking at her.

[Kannibal]

It's much easier to survive a Zombie Apocalipse if you live in apartments. Zombies can't use elevators and there would be no real motive for a horde to invade and use the stairs of your building unless they were chasing you. But if you stay inside your apartment they will never find you. You will just have to leave now and then to grab supplies.

[bdawgnit1785]

Originally Posted by bdawgnit1785

My point wasn't that killing the dog was bad but if you read the original poster it then goes on to say eating the meat. If my dog was a danger then some poison and a burial. My disgust wasn't that people would kill their dog but at the start of ZA if you still got gas/electricity and such and you decide to kill cook and eat your dog then you aren't human. I mean zombies eat people not food, go to a store before you resort to killing things in home for food.

This is my 2yr old labrador who is my 7yr olds first dog, we got him at 9 weeks old and his name Christian(but if you look at the pic you will see his true identity)Attachment 3514

Wasn't trying to be so harsh but turning cannibal to survive zombies is hardly surviving at all IMO

Sorry if I offended anyone but I took offense to people eating their pups

repost. not horrible to kill a animal that threatens your safety but EAT IT??? wtf people...wtf

[Kannibal]

Originally Posted by bdawgnit1785

repost. not horrible to kill a animal that threatens your safety but EAT IT??? wtf people...wtf

If it was for my survival I would eat your puppy labrator. The flesh is probably soft and tender.

[Noble]

Originally Posted by Masta23

Why should pets be treated any differently to humans? It's a bit disgraceful that anybody would think a dogs life isn't worth as much as a human being's.
Tbh I am shocked that so many people would slaughter their own pet.

Dogs don't talk, they don't think, it's an animal -- not a person.

[CharmingBirch]

I guess it depends on your prior relationship with animals, if you have pets, etc.

I didn't grow up with pets, nor do I have any, so I don't have much of an attachment to them. It would be a no-brainer for me.

It's much easier to survive a Zombie Apocalipse if you live in apartments. Zombies can't use elevators and there would be no real motive for a horde to invade and use the stairs of your building unless they were chasing you. But if you stay inside your apartment they will never find you. You will just have to leave now and then to grab supplies.

Slippery slope if they manage to get in. I live in a community, apartment-like setting and it would be near impossible to get out. Ugh... don't want to think about it.

[ThePaSch]

Originally Posted by Noble

Dogs don't talk, they don't think, it's an animal -- not a person.

They do talk and they do think. Just not how you'd expect.
They talk with their body language. Also, dogs can have fun, be bored, be sad, be happy, even love to some extent. Did you know that there is a variety of psychological issues a dog can have?

I'd keep my dog. She never barks anyway, but she's very vigilant - she could warn us of any impending dangers, using her far superior senses of hearing and smelling. Feeding her won't be much of a problem, as dogs could probably stomach a dead walker much better than a human could.

When you get yourself a pet, you agree to care for it as much as you possibly could. For me, that would also extend into a ZA scenario.

[RainbowSprinklz]

Originally Posted by Noble

Dogs don't talk, they don't think, it's an animal -- not a person.

They do think.

[demonteddybear]

Originally Posted by ThePaSch

They do talk and they do think. Just not how you'd expect.
They talk with their body language. Also, dogs can have fun, be bored, be sad, be happy, even love to some extent. Did you know that there is a variety of psychological issues a dog can have?

I'd keep my dog. She never barks anyway, but she's very vigilant - she could warn us of any impending dangers, using her far superior senses of hearing and smelling. Feeding her won't be much of a problem, as dogs could probably stomach a dead walker much better than a human could.

When you get yourself a pet, you agree to care for it as much as you possibly could. For me, that would also extend into a ZA scenario.

Way I understand it the Zombie Virus is passed through body fluid transfer. When they bite you its the saliva and blood that gets in your wound that will kill you not so much the rotten teeth. Same if they scratch you or when you are fighting one getting a bunch of dead ozzing flesh in your mouth. So if you feed your pet the zombie meat they have a high chance of becoming zombie pets. Which can be cute until they eat you in your sleep or that 100 lbs dog you keep for protection tackles you and rips your throat out.

Best bet is to hide in a old folks home for a few days until the main body of the zombies have moved on. Then get out of the citys with as much food and water as you can. I say old folks home because they have a butt load of meds at most of them in case they get hurt or fall down. Food to last a good bit until the power goes out and maybe alittle longer. There is alot of rooms that can be shared, which also gives alot of dressers, tables, and other things to break up to block windows and doors. Other note is alot of the retired men are WW2 and vietnam vets and they will take a zombie in a heart beat. Real danger is those who are not doing well health and mentaly before all this happened. Oh and there is sure to be one person who keeps calling you their grandchild.

[bdawgnit1785]

Originally Posted by Kannibal

If it was for my survival I would eat your puppy labrator. The flesh is probably soft and tender.

If it was for my family's survival (dog included) I'd shoot out both your knees and then feed you to my dog St. John style. You wanted to eat him....enjoy while I cook you up for his soft and tender ass.


BTW proly not but I'd fucking headshot you in a sec and claim walker by the door also you would be in a one person group considering your thoughts feeling so You would never get out of your neighbor hood anyhow.

Cannibals should become live bait. strung up around the city so they attract the zombies and other people/decent people can walk safely.

[JakeSt123]

I'd release my cat into the wild, where he's in his element. He can hide up trees from zombies and would probably find a cat-group.
My dog is getting old anyway, so she probably wouldn't last long. I'd muzzle her to stop her barking, and try to keep her safe as long as possible.

[cormoran]

Originally Posted by bdawgnit1785

If it was for my family's survival (dog included) I'd shoot out both your knees and then feed you to my dog St. John style. You wanted to eat him....enjoy while I cook you up for his soft and tender ass.


BTW proly not but I'd fucking headshot you in a sec and claim walker by the door also you would be in a one person group considering your thoughts feeling so You would never get out of your neighbor hood anyhow.

Cannibals should become live bait. strung up around the city so they attract the zombies and other people/decent people can walk safely.

Human eating Dog =/= Cannibal. No matter your feelings the word 'Cannibal' has a very specific meaning.

[Moonbaby]

Originally Posted by Noble

Dogs don't talk, they don't think, it's an animal -- not a person.

That is seriously the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You think only humans think and communicate? I am afraid to ask what school system produced you.

[bdawgnit1785]

Originally Posted by cormoran

Human eating Dog =/= Cannibal. No matter your feelings the word 'Cannibal' has a very specific meaning.

Well if someone is willing to eat a dog at the start of the ZA where does it go from there. only so many dogs before you look elsewhere. I'm thinking these dog eaters are on a stepping stone to becoming cannibals. It starts somewhere and I think thats the jumping off point. Once you kill and eat something like that you would rationalize it and anything else you had to do to survive

My question is at what point should a person go I shouldn't do this, this is too far?

Seems like many on here would rather survive than actually live. I would rather live for a few months and be killed, the eating dogs and whatever else (see the would you kill a baby thread) is surviving but it is very far from living.
YOU ARE THE WALKING DEAD!(not to the person i commented on but to whoever this goes to...you know who you are) out

[WD40]

Would I eat dog meat if it meant not starving to death? Probably. Would I kill my dog and eat its flesh, even if I were starving to death? No.

When I think about my actions I would take in a ZA (or anything that would bring civilization to its knees, really), I consider what my actions would do to my mental state. I'm not going to do something that would greatly upset me if at all possible, because then I'd be of little use until I get over it, or worse yet I could just go batshit crazy. In both of those scenarios I'm not very well going to be much help to anyone or myself, so why would I put myself in such a scenario?

If I were starving to death, but still had my dog (whom would obviously also be starving to death), I'd rather risk my life and go try to find food (even if it would be a poor decision) than eat my own dog, lest risking my mental health.

[Moonbaby]

Originally Posted by Maggard

Humans developed penicillin, landed on the moon, invented every device you use through your day, and generally can eat any other creature on the planet.

When your box of puppies cures cancer, then your argument will be valid.

Until then, I'm not "pretty" sure I'm superior to animals, I know I am.

...man, when the ZA hits, there's going to be a LOT of hippie zombies...

Edit: Oh, and fact: if you were to die in a contained space, your cat would start eating you within twelve hours. Fact.

Beat the cat to the punch...

This response cracks me up. All those wasted words typed and you totally miss the point. You dont seem to understand that Technology and Progress are NOT the same thing and never have been.

Everything you mention is superficial, materialistic in nature, and honestly, quite ignorant.

Penicillin is a naturally occurring extract of bread mold which humans discovered totally by accident by Alexander Fleming, not "developed" as you so mistakenly put it.

Landing on the moon...BIG DEAL! Wow, we sure helped the universe out by landing on the moon. What good has it done to benefit the planet? The people? NONE. Only benefactors are big corporations hellbent on weapons production and profit margins. Do you think there might be a reason why they have never gone back?

Then Mr. genius calls on the "devices" we use everyday as if these cheap chinese slave goods are somehow a measure in the improvement of the human condition! Wowee! We cant balance budgets, can't live one day without constant warfare, have crooked politicians and banksters destroying the planet, have fukushima radiation spilling into the pacific, yet somehow in your world ,the fact that humans can produce cheap plastic goods filled with chinese electronics makes them superior to all other life on earth! Take a good look at hurricane sandy, those new yorkers were ready to kill each other over a gallon of gasoline.

And for the final insult, you point to the fact that humans can eat all other species as something to hang your hat on. Good job buddy, you can eat all other species and that makes you so special! OMG somebody get this kid some help. Take away the ammo and you are nothing but prey.

A superior species would see that all life is precious. A superior species would understand they exist as only a small part of a larger whole, living synergistically in unison with the resources given to us. A superior species would refuse to be defined by the things they produce but rather whether those devices positively affected the world they live in A superior species would understand that devices and cheap trinkets do not do anything but satiate the materialistic needs of the braindead masses who need these devices to maintain their fancy digital lifestyles inside the matrix.

If anything, your response proves your sector of the human species is dumbed down to the point of being zombies themselves. I can only assume you are a card carrying member. Were you one of the braindead sheeple on black friday? I suppose my video link pissed u off then.

And btw, if you didnt already know this, humans haven't found a cure for cancer either! But then again, dogs would never think of making medicine in the name of profit margins like big pharma.

Way to go dude, good luck with your materialistic existence. I hope your gadgets and devices keep you warm at night. You better hope the electricity stays on so you can keep your dreamworld alive.

Do you see all the hype regarding zombies these days? They are talking about you. YOU are the zombie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAeMe...0&feature=plcp

BOX OF PUPPIES FTW!

[WD40]

@Moonbaby: I'm not going to exactly say that I'm on either side right now, but both of your arguments are a tad flawed. Yes, some of the things mentioned by Maggard are a tad off for the sake of this discussion, but saying that all achievements humans have ever made doesn't at all show that humans are quite a superior being among those on this planet is a little ignorant.

We humans have our moral flaws (more than enough), but even though I love animals and would never hurt one I'm going to go ahead and say that I'm better than animals. They don't have superior morals, because hell, they don't have morals. Sure they can have emotion, but that is different.

A human life is of more value to me than an animal.

/rant