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JackSchirmer · 11/27/2012, 03:13 pm

The ending to Episode 5 was a hopeless bungle.

Lee's great "sacrifice", chaining himself to the radiator, is a preposterous mistake completely at odd with The Walking Dead universe. Worse, it's no sacrifice at all. First, it's unimaginable that Clem, if she even survives the city (and recall that we forgot to, you know, actually tell her how to find Omid and Christa--oops!), won't be forever haunted by the image of zombie Lee chained to a radiator in a windowless room for all eternity. The big deal he makes, that she shouldn't shoot him, is horribly, horribly misguided. Putting down someone before they turn is extremely cathartic. It was a point of honor, pride, and closure for Carl to put down Lori in the tv series. They got it exactly right there. In the game it completely spoils the whole ending, since Clem doesn't get that closure.

Second, are you kidding me? We're left with no cutscene, no reunion with Omid and Christa where we see Clem finally escape? It's clear that TTG badly rushed the entire episode, from the incredibly brief playing time to the pointless recycling of locations, but this was the worst sort of failure--betraying a fundamental point of The Walking Dead universe. It played exactly as though the developer simply hit the wall of a deadline and had to quit without finishing.

Very, very disappointing.

DreadMagus · 11/27/2012, 03:15 pm

Let it out, you'll feel better.

CharmingBirch · 11/27/2012, 03:17 pm

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Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Let it out, you'll feel better.

LOL.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I think they did an amazing job. By far the best game I have played this year, possibly one of the best in the past few years.

Dildor · 11/27/2012, 03:19 pm

OP is mad that Clementine doesn't shoot Lee, and that there is no cutscene afterwards with Clem showing what happens.

............wut lol

magodesky · 11/27/2012, 03:24 pm

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Originally Posted by JackSchirmer

Putting down someone before they turn is extremely cathartic.

You know, I'm not sure "catharsis" is the best reason for shooting someone in the head.

DreadMagus · 11/27/2012, 03:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Dildor

OP is mad that Clementine doesn't shoot Lee, and that there is no cutscene afterwards with Clem showing what happens.

............wut lol

He probably didn't wait for the credits to end...

Anyday · 11/27/2012, 03:28 pm

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It was a point of honor, pride, and closure for Carl to put down Lori in the tv series.

Honor and Pride? Closure? Lori's death was completely pointless - there's no closure for something like that, just acceptance. Carl accepted Lori's death just as well as Clementine, although I'd actually argue that Clem accepted it far better because she had absolutely no-one to talk to or be with about it and still carried on.

I don't think Carl felt any type of honor, certainly not pride, in having to kill his own mother. He did it because he felt he had to because it was his mother, that it was his place to do so and he accepted it. Feeling acceptance of a circumstance is a lot different than feeling 'honor' or 'pride.'

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no reunion with Omid and Christa where we see Clem finally escape?

Did you watch past the credits?

Plan_R · 11/27/2012, 03:28 pm

Did you play the game? You had the option to have Clem put Lee down, and there was this whole clifhanger end scene with Clem. Its not Telltale's fault you picked decisions you did not want.

CarScar · 11/27/2012, 03:30 pm

I don't even think you're disappointed, you just sound sad and scared for Clem. It's kind of sweet you think that way, that Telltale made you feel that way.

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Originally Posted by Dildor

OP is mad that Clementine doesn't shoot Lee, and that there is no cutscene afterwards with Clem showing what happens.

............wut lol

What I was thinking, did he not see the option to let Clem shoot yourself / the ending where Clem sees (what is most likely) Omid and Christa in the distance?

Viser · 11/27/2012, 03:31 pm

Haters gonna hate

Snake Liquid · 11/27/2012, 03:31 pm

I like how the original poster doesn't realize that he made the choice to tell Clementine to leave him, when he could have made the choice to have her shoot him and put him out of his misery. Even if you did choose for her to not shoot him, it's not a terrible ending at all. The Lee's that don't want Clem to shoot him don't want her to have to experience taking a life. Especially not someone she clearly and obviously adored so much and right after having seen her parents as walkers.

Oh and by the way, my Lee told Clementine to make her way out of the city and back to the train where Christa and Omid are waiting. He even asked her if she remembered the way back and she said yes. Then, he asked her to shoot him.

The ending was fantastic in my opinion. And it was ALWAYS going to end with Clem in a field alone. That was the picture we were presented with for the locked Episode 5 way back when Episode 1 was first released.

DreadMagus · 11/27/2012, 03:32 pm

He's probably in shock, and the first stage of grief.

TheNNerdGamer · 11/27/2012, 03:35 pm

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Originally Posted by JackSchirmer

The ending to Episode 5 was a hopeless bungle.

Lee's great "sacrifice", chaining himself to the radiator, is a preposterous mistake completely at odd with The Walking Dead universe. Worse, it's no sacrifice at all. First, it's unimaginable that Clem, if she even survives the city (and recall that we forgot to, you know, actually tell her how to find Omid and Christa--oops!), won't be forever haunted by the image of zombie Lee chained to a radiator in a windowless room for all eternity. The big deal he makes, that she shouldn't shoot him, is horribly, horribly misguided. Putting down someone before they turn is extremely cathartic. It was a point of honor, pride, and closure for Carl to put down Lori in the tv series. They got it exactly right there. In the game it completely spoils the whole ending, since Clem doesn't get that closure.

Second, are you kidding me? We're left with no cutscene, no reunion with Omid and Christa where we see Clem finally escape? It's clear that TTG badly rushed the entire episode, from the incredibly brief playing time to the pointless recycling of locations, but this was the worst sort of failure--betraying a fundamental point of The Walking Dead universe. It played exactly as though the developer simply hit the wall of a deadline and had to quit without finishing.

Very, very disappointing.

watch after the credits and you'll see a short teaser epilogue that will lead to season 2

K0t0 · 11/27/2012, 03:37 pm

It could have been executed better, but the handcuffing was obviously meant to be poetic.

Lee starts the game handcuffed, next to the corpse of a law enforcer, who e then had to kill
He ends the game handcuffed, next to the corpse of a law enforcer, who his protege had to kill

regardless of the scenario its clear they were keeping this part in.

Zeruis · 11/27/2012, 03:38 pm

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Originally Posted by JackSchirmer

First, it's unimaginable that Clem, if she even survives the city (and recall that we forgot to, you know, actually tell her how to find Omid and Christa--oops!), won't be forever haunted by the image of zombie Lee chained to a radiator in a windowless room for all eternity.

You do realize that people have gone through much worse with their loved ones in the comics, yeah? Traumatic things happen in this series.

short_stack · 11/27/2012, 03:42 pm

the ending was amazing and very emotional.

where are these trolls coming from? quantic dream i bet.

JackSchirmer · 11/27/2012, 03:44 pm

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Originally Posted by CharmingBirch

LOL.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I think they did an amazing job. By far the best game I have played this year, possibly one of the best in the past few years.

Play more games, then. Play two.

JackSchirmer · 11/27/2012, 03:45 pm

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Originally Posted by Snake Liquid

I like how the original poster doesn't realize that he made the choice to tell Clementine to leave him, when he could have made the choice to have her shoot him and put him out of his misery. Even if you did choose for her to not shoot him, it's not a terrible ending at all. The Lee's that don't want Clem to shoot him don't want her to have to experience taking a life. Especially not someone she clearly and obviously adored so much and right after having seen her parents as walkers.

Oh and by the way, my Lee told Clementine to make her way out of the city and back to the train where Christa and Omid are waiting. He even asked her if she remembered the way back and she said yes. Then, he asked her to shoot him.

The ending was fantastic in my opinion. And it was ALWAYS going to end with Clem in a field alone. That was the picture we were presented with for the locked Episode 5 way back when Episode 1 was first released.

Er, not in the PC version you didn't. Sorry, I'm not taking the heat for TTG's inability to cross platforms.

anonymau5 · 11/27/2012, 03:46 pm

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Originally Posted by JackSchirmer

Er, not in the PC version you didn't. Sorry, I'm not taking the heat for TTG's inability to cross platforms.

Uh.. I have the PC version. It seems that you're just wrong. Get over it.

JackSchirmer · 11/27/2012, 03:46 pm

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Originally Posted by K0t0

It could have been executed better, but the handcuffing was obviously meant to be poetic.

Lee starts the game handcuffed, next to the corpse of a law enforcer, who e then had to kill
He ends the game handcuffed, next to the corpse of a law enforcer, who his protege had to kill

regardless of the scenario its clear they were keeping this part in.

Repeating an extremely minor theme is not 'poetic'. Sorry.

11/27/2012, 03:13 pm	#1
JackSchirmer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 150	The Ending is Absurd, and Very Poorly Done The ending to Episode 5 was a hopeless bungle. Lee's great "sacrifice", chaining himself to the radiator, is a preposterous mistake completely at odd with The Walking Dead universe. Worse, it's no sacrifice at all. First, it's unimaginable that Clem, if she even survives the city (and recall that we forgot to, you know, actually tell her how to find Omid and Christa--oops!), won't be forever haunted by the image of zombie Lee chained to a radiator in a windowless room for all eternity. The big deal he makes, that she shouldn't shoot him, is horribly, horribly misguided. Putting down someone before they turn is extremely cathartic. It was a point of honor, pride, and closure for Carl to put down Lori in the tv series. They got it exactly right there. In the game it completely spoils the whole ending, since Clem doesn't get that closure. Second, are you kidding me? We're left with no cutscene, no reunion with Omid and Christa where we see Clem finally escape? It's clear that TTG badly rushed the entire episode, from the incredibly brief playing time to the pointless recycling of locations, but this was the worst sort of failure--betraying a fundamental point of The Walking Dead universe. It played exactly as though the developer simply hit the wall of a deadline and had to quit without finishing. Very, very disappointing.

11/27/2012, 03:15 pm	#2
DreadMagus Arrgh! Thar Be Zombies! Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: The space between worlds. Posts: 2,095	Let it out, you'll feel better. __________________ WITCH! Oh sorry, got confused by all your crying. ~ Francis

11/27/2012, 03:32 pm	#12
DreadMagus Arrgh! Thar Be Zombies! Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: The space between worlds. Posts: 2,095	He's probably in shock, and the first stage of grief. __________________ WITCH! Oh sorry, got confused by all your crying. ~ Francis

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11/27/2012, 03:19 pm	#4
Dildor Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Macon Posts: 622	OP is mad that Clementine doesn't shoot Lee, and that there is no cutscene afterwards with Clem showing what happens. ............wut lol

11/27/2012, 03:28 pm	#8
Plan_R Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 88	Did you play the game? You had the option to have Clem put Lee down, and there was this whole clifhanger end scene with Clem. Its not Telltale's fault you picked decisions you did not want.

11/27/2012, 03:31 pm	#10
Viser Ben is a cool guy Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Brazil Posts: 423	Haters gonna hate

11/27/2012, 03:31 pm	#11
Snake Liquid Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 152	I like how the original poster doesn't realize that he made the choice to tell Clementine to leave him, when he could have made the choice to have her shoot him and put him out of his misery. Even if you did choose for her to not shoot him, it's not a terrible ending at all. The Lee's that don't want Clem to shoot him don't want her to have to experience taking a life. Especially not someone she clearly and obviously adored so much and right after having seen her parents as walkers. Oh and by the way, my Lee told Clementine to make her way out of the city and back to the train where Christa and Omid are waiting. He even asked her if she remembered the way back and she said yes. Then, he asked her to shoot him. The ending was fantastic in my opinion. And it was ALWAYS going to end with Clem in a field alone. That was the picture we were presented with for the locked Episode 5 way back when Episode 1 was first released.

11/27/2012, 03:37 pm	#14
K0t0 Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 73	It could have been executed better, but the handcuffing was obviously meant to be poetic. Lee starts the game handcuffed, next to the corpse of a law enforcer, who e then had to kill He ends the game handcuffed, next to the corpse of a law enforcer, who his protege had to kill regardless of the scenario its clear they were keeping this part in.

11/27/2012, 03:42 pm	#16
short_stack Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 151	the ending was amazing and very emotional. where are these trolls coming from? quantic dream i bet.