**** committing suicide minutes after explicitly speaking out against it

[Chrizza]

Kenny commits suicide minutes after explicitly speaking out against it, when you're with Ben, at least. There was nothing heroic about it, if he did it for the right reasons he just could've put a bullet in Ben's head and left.

Now he just gave up.

[lucidity02]

Originally Posted by Chrizza

When you're with Ben, at least. There was nothing heroic about it, if he did it for the right reasons he just could've put a bullet in Ben's head and left.

Now he just gave up.

I didn't see it that way. Immediately before the Ben stuff went down, Kenny went on a long tirade to the group about how people need to step up and how he didn't do enough to save Katjaa. It wasn't as much about suicide as it was about him redeeming himself in his own eyes.

[Chrizza]

Originally Posted by lucidity02

I didn't see it that way. Immediately before the Ben stuff went down, Kenny went on a long tirade to the group about how people need to step up and how he didn't do enough to save Katjaa. It wasn't as much about suicide as it was about him redeeming himself in his own eyes.

How did he redeem himself? What's the point in getting eaten by walkers without accomplishing anything?

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by Chrizza

How did he redeem himself? What's the point in getting eaten by walkers without accomplishing anything?

He tried to save Ben. You see him try to fight off the walkers using the butt of the gun, and he even kills one or two. He just realized then that it was hopeless, so he elected to end Ben's suffering with his last bullet. If you tell him Kat wouldn't want this, he even says "Either I save the kid, or I get to see Kat again", which implys that he DID want to save Ben, but he was just prepared to fail.

[lucidity02]

Originally Posted by Chrizza

How did he redeem himself? What's the point in getting eaten by walkers without accomplishing anything?

I'm not Kenny, as he's not real, so all of this is speculative. But what I got out of it was that him fighting back against the walkers for his group (flashback to episode one, where he left Shawn to die under the tractor while Kenny just ran -- he's historically been a pretty selfish guy throughout) was a form of symbolic redemption in his OWN eyes. He may not have accomplished anything concrete, but to him -- the character -- it meant something. IMO.

[FraQ]

Hmm, there is a difference between committing suicide and sacrificing yourself to aid others. I feel like Kenny's death leaned more towards the latter even though as you mentioned, he could have just shot Ben in the head and went with Lee.

Seeing as he ended up shooting Ben anyways his sacrifice didn't count for much in the end. Unless you want to take the stance that because of what Kenny did, Ben didn't die alone.

He certainly could have been more useful if he'd stayed with Lee and tried to help find Clementine.

Then again we are talking about Kenny, who was really more of a burden than he was a helpful contributor throughout the series. Maybe it was more useful that he sacrificed himself when he did.

Why couldn't you just slide 6 inches to the left and let me grab that map KENNY!!

/conflicted

[Dildor]

He didn't commit suicide..

Kenny felt too much guilt for treating Ben like shit, despite his reasons. He realized that Ben was just a scared kid in the zombie apocalypse, kind of like his son and he wanted to protect him.

This time, he didn't abandon Ben. He stayed with him in his final moments, who knows what he said to Ben before taking the shot. And he didn't do it until Ben begged him, "Kenny Please!"

[Chrizza]

Originally Posted by Rock114

He tried to save Ben. You see him try to fight off the walkers using the butt of the gun, and he even kills one or two. He just realized then that it was hopeless, so he elected to end Ben's suffering with his last bullet. If you tell him Kat wouldn't want this, he even says "Either I save the kid, or I get to see Kat again", which implys that he DID want to save Ben, but he was just prepared to fail.

The guy was impaled, Kenny should know better than to try and save him. Putting him out of his misery is the only option from the second you see in what condition he is.

Having that said, the scene would've worked for me if Ben was trapped somewhere without being hurt and with walkers closing in on him.

[raptor]

Originally Posted by Chrizza

The guy was impaled, Kenny should know better than to try and save him. Putting him out of his misery is the only option from the second you see in what condition he is.

That scene was more about what makes sense to Kenny rather than what makes sense to us. Kenny had realized how selfish he acted throughout the ZA, and did what he thought he had to do to redeem his integrity. Sure, from our point of view he could have ended Ben's misery right away and left with Lee. But from his point of view, trying to save Ben regardless of how little sense it made was the only right thing he could have done.

[Chrizza]

Originally Posted by raptor

That scene was more about what makes sense to Kenny rather than what makes sense to us. Kenny had realized how selfish he acted throughout the ZA, and did what he thought he had to do to redeem his integrity. Sure, from our point of view he could have ended Ben's misery right away and left with Lee. But from his point of view, trying to save Ben regardless of how little sense it made was the only right thing he could have done.

Yeah, I guess that's it.

Still a shame, he deserved a better ending. I'm also not a fan of his death without Ben around, but at least that one makes sense.

[CrazyandProud]

If you listen to his speech, he was against dieing without fighting. In the end, he died fight, although it might have been a unwinnable fight, he still did so. I get the feeling that he did want to die, but he couldn't just shoot himself in the head.

[thestalkinghead]

i was in total disbelief i would have gone for the larry solution but kenny went for the never leave a good man behind solution, it felt pointless to me (the kenny saving christa death was better) but you cant stop kenny from doing anything he wants to do and he didnt want to leave ben behind so that is it.

i wouldn't say it was suicide but it was something that would very highly likely end in his death, you can actually leave kenny with 5 more bullets so in that scenario it is the least suicidal, personally i think kenny made the wrong decision to try and save ben, but it wasn't inconsistent with kennys character or a suicide

[TheNNerdGamer]

well if I remember how it played out for me:
Kenny: get the fuck outta here lee
Lee: what?!?!?
Kenny: go back! she needs you lee!
Lee: KENNY!
Kenny: THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION!
(choices come up)
Lee: HELL NO MAN!, I'm not leaving!
Kenny: WHAT DID I JUST SAY!?
Lee: Let's get ben and get out of here!
(kenny pushes Lee to side and closes gate)
Lee: what the fuck kenny!?
Kenny: Lee. Lee it's okay
(choices come up)
Lee: NO KEN! no it's not!
Kenny: its just somethin' I gotta do, you know that... now go get that girl.
Kenny: BACK YOU SONS OF BITCHES!
(lee tries to pull gate).
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that's pretty heroic to me
(those were my choices of dialogue)

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by TheNNerdGamer

well if I remember how it played out for me:
Kenny: get the fuck outta here lee
Lee: what?!?!?
Kenny: go back! she needs you lee!
Lee: KENNY!
Kenny: THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION!
(choices come up)
Lee: HELL NO MAN!, I'm not leaving!
Kenny: WHAT DID I JUST SAY!?
Lee: Let's get ben and get out of here!
(kenny pushes Lee to side and closes gate)
Lee: what the fuck kenny!?
Kenny: Lee. Lee it's okay
(choices come up)
Lee: NO KEN! no it's not!
Kenny: its just somethin' I gotta do, you know that... now go get that girl.
Kenny: BACK YOU SONS OF BITCHES!
(lee tries to pull gate).
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that's pretty heroic to me
(those where my choices of dialogue)

that's pretty similar to my choices, but it think he would have been more help with lee than ben, it may have heroic to try and save ben but so would have running into the hoard of zombies in episode 3 to save the girl that got bitten (Beatrice) and just as pointless

[CarScar]

I keep hearing this from people, I do believe Kenny said:

"You shouldn't kill yourself, you should go out helping out those you care about."

Kenny died a hero, he thought, even if there was only a sliver of a chance to save Ben he'd take it.

[YamiRaziel]

You know who there was a chance of saving? Clementine...
He would've been more of a hero if he tries to save her but well, in my playthrough at least, he didn't want to come at all so why would I assume that he would actually do something worthy. Silly me.
In my eyes he died a selfish bastard who thought more about his own problems than other peoples'. Typical Kenny

[CarScar]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

You know who there was a chance of saving? Clementine...
He would've been more of a hero if he tries to save her but well, in my playthrough at least, he didn't want to come at all so why would I assume that he would actually do something worthy. Silly me.
In my eyes he died a selfish bastard who thought more about his own problems than other peoples'. Typical Kenny

Well Kenny did die trying to save Ben, someone he had every right to hate and even kill...

Trust me, I hated Kenny as much as the next guy. Between Kenny and Lilly, I was mostly on Lilly's side... But this last episode he actually started to change. He realized his mistakes, he wanted to redeem himself. What really changed Kenny to me was what he said about Katjaa:

"Do you know how many nights Katjaa would spend telling me I need to be more considerate of others? Every night..."

I hated Kenny because of how unreasonable he was. I saved Katjaa and Duck maybe five times during the course of this season and yet he says I was barely there for him. But in this last episode he started to realize his mistakes, started to realize how much of a dick / unreasonable he was.

Maybe the worst thing about Kenny was how he thought he was being the good guy, but now finally he accepts that he was the one being an unreasonable dick.

[Saracenar]

If Kenny had lived, here's what I think would happen:

When they get to the sign, you have a choice on who goes across first. The sign breaks after Omid and Christa have gone across, or breaks if just Lee goes. I reckon Kenny weighs about the same as Lee, so the sign would break after he goes first. All other times, he is stranded on the other side with Lee or Omid and Christa.

If he's with Lee, then he has the option of going back the way they came, or climbing down to face the horde. Facing the horde would probably have resulted in his death, seeing as they would be able to pick him out easily (as opposed to Lee, whose blood is already tainted).

If he's with Omid and Christa, I suppose he could choose to follow you down, if he likes you enough. But then its the same as above.

If he went across the sign, then yeah, he could probably get to the Marsh House.

So what would happen if Lee and Kenny went in together?

Campman would probably just get the drop on them like he does with Lee and shoot Kenny in the head, then things progress as usual.

The alternative is that he'd be with Omid and Christa. Would he force them to go with him to find a new boat? Or would he go with them to the country side? Or would he leave them, if they won't help find a boat? Maybe he'd have them wait to see if Lee emerges from the Marsh House.

I was sad to see him go out the way he did, but I understood his reasons. He was probably just acting tough, but he wanted a way out without committing suicide like Katjaa did. When Ben/Christa got in trouble, he found that way.

[AnnaSan]

Kenny should've just shot Ben and left with Lee.. He knows Lee didn't have any more time, he could've been Clementine's new guardian. He's a good father, but I think him just giving up like that is absurd... Now, we have no freaking idea where Omid and Christa are... =.=

[YamiRaziel]

Originally Posted by CarScar

Well Kenny did die trying to save Ben, someone he had every right to hate and even kill...

Trust me, I hated Kenny as much as the next guy. Between Kenny and Lilly, I was mostly on Lilly's side... But this last episode he actually started to change. He realized his mistakes, he wanted to redeem himself. What really changed Kenny to me was what he said about Katjaa:

"Do you know how many nights Katjaa would spend telling me I need to be more considerate of others? Every night..."

I hated Kenny because of how unreasonable he was. I saved Katjaa and Duck maybe five times during the course of this season and yet he says I was barely there for him. But in this last episode he started to realize his mistakes, started to realize how much of a dick / unreasonable he was.

Maybe the worst thing about Kenny was how he thought he was being the good guy, but now finally he accepts that he was the one being an unreasonable dick.

In my game, after I told him to fuck himself in ep.4 he was more than happy to leave us. Then after he got beaten, all of a sudden he was our best friend again. Somehow Clementine became HIS priority. Then in the attic, he wanted to drop something heavy on my Lee's head. Right after that he dared to talk about Lilly (bastard).
Then he gave us his "don't give up, Katjaa shouldn't given up speech."
And finally he kills himself for nothing, forgetting about Clementine and that my Lee might actually use his help.

Your story sounds good, but that's not what happened in mine at all.