Team Lily to the end (appreciation thread)

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

When that creep guy was questioning me, he knew a lot about what happened. He blamed me for saving Carley, for killing both Andy and Danny and for stealing the food (which I did, yeah).
I do wonder however, if you helped kill Larry, would he blame you for that too?

Do you think that those are actually the things Clem blames Lee for?

P.S I was kinda mad when I heard Kenny mentioning Lilly and Larry.

Now that you mention it...the words he (the psycho bastard creep) used sounded like the way Clem would describe the situation as blaming Lee. The one I remember best was "saving the pretty girl with the gun and letting a boy be pulled into the darkness.."

You could be on to something here.

[KingOfTheDead]

Team Larry all the way lol. Nah thats why we smashed his head in with a saltlick

[YamiRaziel]

Well... at least Lilly is alive... unlike... hm... let's say Kenny

[KingOfTheDead]

hmmm but there might be "Two" Lily Cauls so "our" lily might be dead

[Doctanian]

Team Lilly. Lilly's boss in the game and the comics. Has anyone read the novel?

[YamiRaziel]

I've only read Rise of the Governor. I haven't had the time to pick the Road of Woodbury yet. As far as I know Kiel555 has read both of them

[CrazyandProud]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Well... at least Lilly is alive... unlike... hm... let's say Kenny

And she kills a women and a baby. Yay!

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by Doctanian

Team Lilly. Lilly's boss in the game and the comics. Has anyone read the novel?

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

I've only read Rise of the Governor. I haven't had the time to pick the Road of Woodbury yet. As far as I know Kiel555 has read both of them

I've read the novel and must admit that it was not that good. The rise of the governor was much better and a pretty good story. Road to Woodbury was not that good of a story and Lilly in the novel was not that same as Lilly in the video game (not even close). I'd say they were close to being opposites.

My two biggest issues with the novel are:

1) The character of Lilly introduced and described for 2/3 of the novel is not capable and totally unbelievable of doing the things in the last 1/3 of the novel. The characters who sided with Lilly also caused a "what??" reaction.

2) The Lilly in the last 1/3 of the novel had more in common with Lilly of the video game BUT the Governor was almost the opposite of the governor in the novel Rise of the Governor for the last 1/3 of the novel.

It was a weird read as characters flip-flopped and did things that were opposite of the background provided.

[Pickles312]

Lilly was my least favorite character.

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by Kiel555

I've read the novel and must admit that it was not that good. The rise of the governor was much better and a pretty good story. Road to Woodbury was not that good of a story and Lilly in the novel was not that same as Lilly in the video game (not even close). I'd say they were close to being opposites.

My two biggest issues with the novel are:

1) The character of Lilly introduced and described for 2/3 of the novel is not capable and totally unbelievable of doing the things in the last 1/3 of the novel. The characters who sided with Lilly also caused a "what??" reaction.

2) The Lilly in the last 1/3 of the novel had more in common with Lilly of the video game BUT the Governor was almost the opposite of the governor in the novel Rise of the Governor for the last 1/3 of the novel.

It was a weird read as characters flip-flopped and did things that were opposite of the background provided.

Wait, so they even messed up the Governor from Rise of the Governor? Not only do they screw up characters from the game, but now they can't even keep their own in line?

[YamiRaziel]

I really have no idea what Kirkman was thinking with that book...

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by Rock114

Wait, so they even messed up the Governor from Rise of the Governor? Not only do they screw up characters from the game, but now they can't even keep their own in line?

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

I really have no idea what Kirkman was thinking with that book...

I had just finished Rise of the Governor when Road to Woodbury arrived. When I read the Road to Woodbury, Lilly was nothing like Lilly (video game) and I kept on reading to see how Lilly becomes a badass or at least toughen up some but it never really happens. Then I turn the page and Lilly is leading a revolt, people like Martinez and Doc. Stevens join her along with Alice. Then the governor seems to soften his stance regarding the revolt which conflicted with the governor presented in Rise of the Governor and even part of Road to Woodbury.

I think if someone had only read Road to Woodbury and knew nothing else of the walking dead they would probably say two things:

1) When did Lilly of Ch1 become the Lilly of ch20 who organizes and leads a rebellion against the governor?
2) It's a good thing the governor is a kind, forgiving and understanding person or Lilly might be in real trouble.

[dukeleto]

@Kiel555- I really don't know if I should read those books. It seemed everything is more easy by not knowing the second Lilly

@YamiRaziel- Hey Yami, I %100 agree with you. Some of the things the stranger mentioned are the things Clem blamed Lee for in some way.
But bringing a little girl to Crawford seemed much more like stranger's bullshit rather than Clem's.

Anyway, neighter I killed psycho brothers nor I stole food from abondoned car; he still found something to blame Lee. "saving the pretty girl with the gun and letting a boy be pulled into the darkness.." , "walking a little girl into a dairy full of sick people and let them get their hands on her" and "bringing her to Crawford" were my sins.

Maybe those Kennylovers may think about it; making their decisions by siding Kenny caused the whole group to be doomed. And by behaving in Kenny's way, they committed the worst sins which some of them were fatal.
I'd gladly prefer my sins (which were not real sins to me) rather than busting Larry's face, leaving Lilly on the road, stealing from others, killing sick people or letting Clem to eat human meat. The radioman's reasons were so weak and bullshit to me according to my playthrough. Game has proven me that I made the right choices by siding with Lilly, whereat myself.

So, team Lilly to the end ))

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by dukeleto

@Kiel555- I really don't know if I should read those books. It seemed everything is more easy by not knowing the second Lilly

@YamiRaziel- Hey Yami, I %100 agree with you. Some of the things the stranger mentioned are the things Clem blamed Lee for in some way.
But bringing a little girl to Crawford seemed much more like stranger's bullshit rather than Clem's.

Anyway, neighter I killed psycho brothers nor I stole food from abondoned car; he still found something to blame Lee. "saving the pretty girl with the gun and letting a boy be pulled into the darkness.." , "walking a little girl into a dairy full of sick people and let them get their hands on her" and "bringing her to Crawford" were my sins.

Maybe those Kennylovers may think about it; making their decisions by siding Kenny caused the whole group to be doomed. And by behaving in Kenny's way, they committed the worst sins which some of them were fatal.
I'd gladly prefer my sins (which were not real sins to me) rather than busting Larry's face, leaving Lilly on the road, stealing from others, killing sick people or letting Clem to eat human meat. The radioman's reasons were so weak and bullshit to me according to my playthrough. Game has proven me that I made the right choices by siding with Lilly, whereat myself.

So, team Lilly to the end ))

you know lilly or kenny had nothing to do with any of the "sins" he listed for you

[dukeleto]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

you know lilly or kenny had nothing to do with any of the "sins" he listed for you

Who was so ambitious about stealing from the lone car?
Busting Larry's head was also one of the other suggestions of an "invisible" man.
I think there is no need to remind Kenny's feelings when LeeME let Lilly to come with us after she killed Carley?

No offence, but even better than Ben, Kenny is the one ultimate guy who ruined this story. If you don't count Larry, no surprise he lost his own family at first hand, though.
Poor Katja, she also sided with LeeME rather than her own husband on many situations. It is so sad she and her son suffered by an unfortunate fate. They deserved much better.

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by dukeleto

@Kiel555- I really don't know if I should read those books. It seemed everything is more easy by not knowing the second Lilly

@YamiRaziel- Hey Yami, I %100 agree with you. Some of the things the stranger mentioned are the things Clem blamed Lee for in some way.
But bringing a little girl to Crawford seemed much more like stranger's bullshit rather than Clem's.

Anyway, neighter I killed psycho brothers nor I stole food from abondoned car; he still found something to blame Lee. "saving the pretty girl with the gun and letting a boy be pulled into the darkness.." , "walking a little girl into a dairy full of sick people and let them get their hands on her" and "bringing her to Crawford" were my sins.

Maybe those Kennylovers may think about it; making their decisions by siding Kenny caused the whole group to be doomed. And by behaving in Kenny's way, they committed the worst sins which some of them were fatal.
I'd gladly prefer my sins (which were not real sins to me) rather than busting Larry's face, leaving Lilly on the road, stealing from others, killing sick people or letting Clem to eat human meat. The radioman's reasons were so weak and bullshit to me according to my playthrough. Game has proven me that I made the right choices by siding with Lilly, whereat myself.

So, team Lilly to the end ))

The rise of the governor is definitely worth reading. It really is a good story about surviving in the ZA long before those characters get to Woodbury. The road to woodbury, on the other hand, is a good read if you like everything walking dead like I do . As characters and story goes, Lilly of the video game is far superior to Lilly of the novel so that part is disappointing.

I agree completely with you that the root cause of all the group woes was Kenny. But since this is not the fuck Kenny thread, I'll just say that now that season 1 is complete, my appreciation for Lilly and all she did is greater and I sure wish I could have gone with her in the RV.

[YamiRaziel]

Okay, fellas, we have a brand new Lilly (not only) appreciation group. If you love well written characters and enjoy discussing the complexities of their personalities, feel free to join us. The link is in my signature.

[TheNNerdGamer]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Okay, fellas, we have a brand new Lilly (not only) appreciation group. If you love well written characters and enjoy discussing the complexities of their personalities, feel free to join us. The link is in my signature.

i'll join

Lilly was a pretty good character and of course well developed

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Okay, fellas, we have a brand new Lilly (not only) appreciation group. If you love well written characters and enjoy discussing the complexities of their personalities, feel free to join us. The link is in my signature.

would it be wrong for me to join, i don't love her but i love to hate her

[YamiRaziel]

Well if your only reason for joining is hating on Lilly, than there isn't really a point. You can do that in each of the 10000 topics that were created with that purpose The rules for the group are a bit different. Since we've gathered there to discuss well written characters, plain and unsupported hate is just... unnecessary. Civil tone is the pre-requirement for joining
It's your call, mate.